Mega Rad Gun Thread

[WelperHelper99]

Can an armyfag explain to me why the US Military doesn't just go full Glock for standard issue sidearms? Seems like it'd be the cheapest and most logistically sensible option relative to performance

Because they got bribed. You want the truth?

 

[Love Machine]

Can an armyfag explain to me why the US Military doesn't just go full Glock for standard issue sidearms? Seems like it'd be the cheapest and most logistically sensible option relative to performance

money!

 

[Anakin Soywalker]

The 1911 is obsolescent.
If pressed it's still a serviceable side arm but there are many better options available today.

Obsolescent is a hilarious ESLism. Can I use that?

 

[Love Machine]

God knows that one of the only militaries in the world with infinite money cant justify spending more then $400 on a pistol.

 

[GamerGateSurvivor]

Can an armyfag explain to me why the US Military doesn't just go full Glock for standard issue sidearms? Seems like it'd be the cheapest and most logistically sensible option relative to performance

I wish they would just to see how many soldiers put fun switches on them.

 

[Seafarer]

Obsolescent is a hilarious ESLism. Can I use that?

Uhh.. “Obsolescent” is a real word:

 

[Anakin Soywalker]

Uhh.. “Obsolescent” is a real word:
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Huh. The more you know

Still a completely shit opinion.

 

[Lead Lizard]

Maybe the gun that should have won (The M9A4) will get a second look now.

weird way to spell glock, since it got further in the trials

 

[Glock 19 Gen 5]

Seems like it'd be the cheapest and most logistically sensible option relative to performance

iirc it wasn't fully modular with a chassis system (gen 6 is rumored to be that way, they have filed some patents indicating this). as well, before all the testing was even over sig undercut the bidding significantly securing the contract (corruption). arguably they didn't make any money per gun sold, or maybe even taking a loss, just to secure the contract and elevate their brand with muh military grade pistol

 

[AncientPhosphur]

Can an armyfag explain to me why the US Military doesn't just go full Glock for standard issue sidearms? Seems like it'd be the cheapest and most logistically sensible option relative to performance

Military wanted a modular striker fire with a safety and Sig “outbid” the competitors by offering them $200 for each M17/18

 

[Gurney Halleck]

The funniest outcome would be the military adopting the M&P instead. But in any case it would've better for literally everyone if they had gone Glock, even for Sig. Sig likely would've developed a different full size duty pistol from their experience with MHS that might still have QC issues but probably wouldn't randomly go off in the holster and the P320 would be relegated to a Forgotten Weapons curiosity.

 

[BikeLock]

The funniest outcome would be the military adopting the M&P instead. But in any case it would've better for literally everyone if they had gone Glock, even for Sig. Sig likely would've developed a different full size duty pistol from their experience with MHS that might still have QC issues but probably wouldn't randomly go off in the holster and the P320 would be relegated to a Forgotten Weapons curiosity.

The P365 is what the P320 should have been.

And its still pretty "meh" in my opinion (save for the Flux raider chassis for them, that is fuckin' slick)

 

[GamerGateSurvivor]

$200 for each M17/18

Well that sure as shit explains why they used ballpoint pen springs (37) to hold up the fucking sear. In fact, ballpoint pen springs would've been a massive improvement over those two coiled up pieces of flea shit they used.

Have you ever gotten one of those fire control groups apart to replace those springs? You have to take the whole fucking thing apart to get to them. And when you do, you find out the only thing holding them in place is the pressure the sear. You don't have any sear spring nipples can latch onto like "num num num." Nothing like that. All you got are two flimsy pieces of shit you hope and pray stay in place.

 

[Bummer]

Can an armyfag explain to me why the US Military doesn't just go full Glock for standard issue sidearms? Seems like it'd be the cheapest and most logistically sensible option relative to performance

It's not USA made, the army loves muh modular and it was more expensive than the Sig, that's what I've heard at least.
If I was buying shit for the military I would want something like those Ruger MXRs. Cheap, modular, US company and still a Glock

 

[Merry]

It's not USA made, the army loves muh modular and it was more expensive than the Sig, that's what I've heard at least.
If I was buying shit for the military I would want something like those Ruger MXRs. Cheap, modular, US company and still a Glock

You'd think production at home under license would be the easiest shit ever with the existing industrial base. Ruger would be chill too though

 

[POWER IN MISERY]

Sig has put out a statement:
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https://x.com/sigsauerinc/status/1948137073476571345

Interesting that they mention an Army investigation as well. I get the feeling TPTB are pissed.

statement theme

 

[Gurney Halleck]

The P365 is what the P320 should have been.

And its still pretty "meh" in my opinion (save for the Flux raider chassis for them, that is fuckin' slick)

I feel like part of that is because it's a micro compact that slowly gotten bigger and bigger to fill the P320 niche. The FCU itself is much better designed though and you can see in how the striker safety is a completely different design, the ejector is much beefier and comes with a built-in overtravel stop, the manual safety actually blocks the sear from moving unlike on the P320 where it only blocks the trigger bar.

 

[The Feline Solution 2]

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Sigger bros its not looking good

I am a filthy, european nogunz so forgive me for asking this but how the fuck is something like this even possible?! No pressure on the trigger or nothing and that piece of shit just goes off? How?! Does the Sig factory not have a QA department? Did they sell their name (like many former, high-quality german brands did by now) and their shit is now getting produced in some chink gulag? Questions over questions...

Edit: Alright, got adequately answered by @S.C.U.D. already, i need to start reading before posting.

 

[evilsponge]

God knows that one of the only militaries in the world with infinite money cant justify spending more then $400 on a pistol.

When the US Army selected the Krag-Jorgensen rifle in the 1800's one of its selling points was that the laborious reloading process would prevent soldiers from 'wasting' ammunition on such foolish things like staying alive.

 

[BikeLock]

I am a filthy, european nogunz so forgive me for asking this but how the fuck is something like this even possible?! No pressure on the trigger or nothing and that piece of shit just goes off? How?! Does the Sig factory not have a QA department? Did they sell their name (like many former, high-quality german brands did by now) and their shit is now getting produced in some chink gulag? Questions over questions...

Edit: Alright, got adequately answered by @S.C.U.D. already, i need to start reading before posting.

Yes and no.

Sig arms Europe is completely different from Sig USA, despite being owned by the same global homo euro holding firm. Sig Europe makes small runs of their rifles every now and then, but mostly makes food packaging now.

Sig USA wears the Sig heritage like a skinsuit not unlike Springfield Armory, except unlike Springfield, they make their guns in the USA (with international parts, some from India, SIG SAAAR!) ,some from their own USA designs, and the legacy P series (P220 and such).

Indian parts are of course, from India, and are subject to Indian quality control, which is probably a factor in some of these issues.

I believe that the only sig SAAAR guns are their striker guns, which have had many teething and QC issues. The P series guns are mostly fine from what I understand.

The Current CEO of Sig USA is Rohn Cohen, who is most famous for running Kimber's reputation into the ground over cutting corners in their QC before he bailed. The P320 being allowed to be this bad is probably his fault, all things concerned. His head should be on a pike, but I don't even see him stepping down for this, because Sig USA line go up.