Community Yaoi and MPreg Fandom Discussion Thread

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Believe it or not, however, people hating pornography, made by/aimed to women in this case, doesn't, in fact, mean they hate women. It means they hate pornography.

How important is porn in your life that you made this association though? Is this a big part of your identity? Do you equate, in your mind at least, consuming yaoi to being a woman?
Have you ever heard of the feminists definition of porn? Porn exist to be degrading and dehumanizing with nothing to offer in terms of substance nor artistic merit. Erotica on the other hand does. Some BL technically counts as porn if any of the weird fetishes are to be believed but it contains the potential to be erotic because the subject matter itself humanizes the two parties instead of degrading one or the other.

BL isn't part of the woman's experience. You're not less of a woman for not liking BL. I have preferences and most of y'all have them too, if a bit prudish if i'm assuming you don't like two consenting adults having sex in a book.
It is hated because it is another fetish
Compared to fetishes like scat, watersports, zoo, lolisho, and even ryona, yaoi's vanilla for a niche fetish. It only starts feeling less so once you add more weird shit like mpreg and ABO. However, if two men having sex as written by a woman is considered a fetish, why aren't more het stories being seen as fetishes for being idealized or not exactly like real like? The main crux of bl is making men less emotionally conspirated rapeapes but actual humans with feelings and aspirations. Sex will happen of course. but instead of having the sex taped on, it feels like a extension of two characters' burgeoning relationship. This raises the question of when something becomes a fetish and thus technically harmful to the person consuming it? I sometimes consume bl, but not often. It doesn't run my life and I can go back to being a normal person at the end of the day. The difference between someone who enjoys BL beyond it's sexuality and somone who let's the gay anime boy buttsex overtake their mind tends to be thin, yes, but as long as the person recognizes what they lose if they make it part of their identity, isn't that a good thing?
“Men do X so therefore Yaoi is not that bad!”
Not all men and all that, but bl has it origins as a mild resistance towards rigid roles during time when women didn't have fuck all else to do. That time being the 70s. Japan wasn't as gender equal compared to the states but it didn't stop women from having more say in their creative fields where they'd crave out a niche in shoujo manga where boys starting falling love. Naturally as BL starting to bleed from niche circles into the wider society of japan, some men didn't like women with their own independence, calling the fujoshi (rotten girls) to cope. It wasn't just BL that men hated. Anything women loved and indulged in were more susceptible to scrutiny compared to pedos drawing underage porn of magical girl characters and somehow don't get punished for it. At least in the states we jail our sex offenders.

Women do not need to be angels to justify their existence and right to artistic freedom but they rarely, if ever, bring their demented fetishes into reality. Who cares if some chick decided they wanted nothing to do with marriage, a family, and being a mother. Not all women are built to be moms or caregivers. Why care about some socially maladjusted girl who wants her anime boys to be left alone? Just let her be.

“It’s fiction, who cares?”
That depends on the fiction itself? A 2d black person isn't gonna kill you neither is a fictional man? So why is it that sex between people is considered as harmful as zoo or pedo porn? Because the person isn't having sex for real which then leads into kids who they can't even afford to take care of? Should we just not fuck therefore not write about fucking because of that? Death and violence is okay, but god forbid two consenting adults fuck regardless of gender and who's writing it.

“You just hate women and want–”
You don't seem to hate women enough to say "yaoi bad, yuri good" or whatever, so i'm gonna give the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not being sexist or whatever. Some of your points I do agree with, too much of something is bad, as with all things. It's only when you attack those who do it in moderation or don't make being a fujo their only defining personality trait that I can't help but disagree.
 
Have you ever heard of the feminists definition of porn? Porn exist to be degrading and dehumanizing with nothing to offer in terms of substance nor artistic merit. Erotica on the other hand does. Some BL technically counts as porn if any of the weird fetishes are to be believed but it contains the potential to be erotic because the subject matter itself humanizes the two parties instead of degrading one or the other.

BL isn't part of the woman's experience. You're not less of a woman for not liking BL. I have preferences and most of y'all have them too, if a bit prudish if i'm assuming you don't like two consenting adults having sex in a book.
Do you stare at the letters instead of reading what you reply to? It's getting a bit absurd now.

Hell, based on your last paragraph, do you read what you yourself typed before?
 
>ITT

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Can we get into laughing at cringe yaoi and fujoshis now, please?
Certainly.

Using the same handle on AO3 and KF is so crazy that I don’t believe it- feel free to address these farcical allegations at your earliest convenience, and if I’m wrong I apologize for the slander and suggest getting a username that doesn’t implicate you in smutty fanfiction crimes. I also found some Tumblr blogs matching users in this thread but let’s stay on track. I charitably left out blank accounts or overly generic usernames (mostly because that’s boring). Don’t take this too harshly, I encourage all fujoshis to squee and kyaa to their hearts content! Thoughever, your opsec may need a little work…(?)
The girlies are not okay y'all.
Tell me about it, babe.
papermachete
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0 works, 25 bookmarks
It's all The Untamed fanfiction (a 2019 C-drama TV show). Boy x Boy. A couple of which are tagged Omegaverse:
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If this one's legit, I wouldn't blame you. They're pretty cute!
Lolcow Farm has a RPF thread
Umm… b-b-b-b-based department?
Dysnomia
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The bookmarks are all yaoi from various weebshit.
Lustful Hate by Dysnomia
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Legit can't imagine how depraved yaoi kinks have become since.
Apparently Kari Kamiya is a character from Digimon so this probably isn't you, but just for good measure:
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0 works, 21 bookmarks
It's all K-drama hetfaggery! BORING.
Also this slaps
I've listened to this song 20 times since you recommended it here.
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It's just the classic Would Kira have gay sex? which everyone should read immediately.
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Yaoi is so harmless
I'm so disappointed in the lack of Aqua Teen Hunger Force.
HandBanana
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It's just Zootopia hetshit and 1 The Last of Us lezbo fic. Your ardent defense of fujoshism leads me to believe this isn't you.
Two men fucking is just kinda gross
Trvke. Okay there is literally no fucking way this she/her is on KF but...
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All pseuds: 63 works, 0 bookmarks, 10 series, 1 collection, 1 gift
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Mostly League of Legends RPF (didn't know that was a thing) and bandom yaoi.
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This is a truly terrible coincidence, Scream Tail.
 
Apparently Kari Kamiya is a character from Digimon so this probably isn't you, but just for good measure:
karikamiya
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0 works, 21 bookmarks
It's all K-drama hetfaggery! BORING.
Lmao it's not me at all, and even if you end up finding my AO3, I'm pretty boring and have nothing to hide on it. Finding the above accounts is pretty funny, though.
 
@weirdMcGee
Pornography definition: printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings. Simply put, porn can be pretty and have romance, but if it is meant to get you off, it's still porn. I've seen some impressive porn layouts, stories, and art. Still porn.

I do not care what you claim the “feminist” definition of porn is the same way I don’t care how trannies define the word woman.

I never said anyone was less of a woman for their taste in “Boys Love” or that I’m against adults having consenting sex. Yaoi is a fetish. It is a broad category of fetish, but it still is. It is very different from writing romance where two characters happen to be male (as I pointed this out in my previous post) and (because the internet is where anything casual goes to die), it is did not contained or casual and can easily fester into an addiction like all pornography. It can encompass all of the worse shit imagined + ‘vanilla. stuff, too. The reason it is not comparable to straight or lesbian is in the definition. It is two men having gay intercourse written by a woman (usually straight) vs. (a woman and a man written by a hetero woman or two women by a lesbian). You can’t fetishize your own sexuality, but you can another. How hard is that to understand? Yuri is also not totally compareable. Please read my section on how writing a romance that happens to be gay is one thing, this is another. When it's written by women, it falls under lesbian/bisexual romance, like how Bara is for gay dudes, yuri is supposed to be for gay women. But it’s all mostly filled with men, not women. So, it is a fetish in that sense.

“The main crux of bl is making men less emotionally conspirated rapeapes but actual humans with feelings and aspirations.”

This is just sexist cope. Don’t lie. Most yaoi is just chicks jacking it to their favorite characters fucking. If this wasn’t the case, why not just write hetero and make the man emotionally competent for you. I know about the horrible behaviour of certain men, but if they were so wretched why would women even have rights in some nations? Why would rape be seen as reprehensible if most men were ok with it to begin? What about the dudes who push for men to abandon porn OR fight the sex slavery business?Do they not count?

“This raises the question of when something becomes a fetish and thus technically harmful to the person consuming it?”

Easy. It becomes a fetish when that is all they obsess over. Like how foot fetishists insert their shit into everything, fujoshis cannot read a story of any type without imagining two hot men fucking or they lose interest.

“It doesn't run my life and I can go back to being a normal person at the end of the day. The difference between someone who enjoys BL beyond it's sexuality and somone who lets the gay anime boy buttsex overtake their mind tends to be thin, yes, but as long as the person recognizes what they lose if they make it part of their identity, isn't that a good thing?”

Technically, yes. But, here’s the thing: it’s still a fetish. Just because you’re fine, doesn’t mean the other chicks are ok. Who cares if you acknowledge it in your identity? You still consume porn of a specific type, let it fester in your mind, and take away from you being able to enjoy anything! It is never a good thing. Maybe not the worst thing, but not a good thing.

BL is a fetish not a resistance. You sound like a troon, saying that trooning out is a resistance against the man or whatever. It’s not the 70s anymore, Japan is still Japan (so that specific aspect [if that’s even true] didn’t work), and my previous post already went over how men’s feelings are not the reason yaoi is definitely gross. No one ever said women needed to be pure to “justify their existence.” You could say that about troons, too! We’re all human, we’re all flawed. But people are allowed to criticize certain fetishloving women and no amount of goalpost moving will change that fact. If you want liberation you must be okay with criticism and how others perceive you.

“A 2d black person isn't gonna kill you neither is a fictional man?”

What does this have to do with anything? Genuine question. You're not going to interact with black people or men because some of them might hurt you? You’re just going to give your power away like that? Just give up and resign yourself to jacking off online to 2D boys kissing? Why give credence to this, but not acknowledge the fetish that yaoi is? Also, as much as we mock niggers here and awful men, most people don’t want to hurt you. They are regular and functional enough that if you mind your own, they’ll mind their own. Most crime commited by blacks [mostly men] is commited on other black people and you can weed out a good portion of awful men through listening to red flags (not 100% guarantee, but still pretty good). Or just, stick to female friendships and find good hetero romance. Again I pose the question why these yaoi chicks don't just write the straight shit they wanna see if it's really about writing men "as people" (pess X to doubt).

Ending note: I know people don't like to hear it, on this site of all places, but you can criticize and mock any adult. No exceptions. Women are not immune. Are we gonna stop calling people fags and niggers because they faced (and still do in many places) oppression? No. Then why are you adamant on giving women that leniency (specifically gooner women)? Why is the oppression of Third World women being used to excuse the poor behavior of some First World women? If we can mock men online for being gross freaks then we can do so to women, too. As you said, women are not pure goddesses of light who can do no wrong or behave unsavorly. If they willingly post it to the public, why be surprised by people's mockery? Play stupid games win stupid prizes. You're human. Congrats. Prepare to be treated like every other human who does asinine things!
 
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Weren't we supposed to be laughing at fujos? I shall provide with some vintage fujoshi antics.

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Katharine Briggs, the co-creator of the Meyers Briggs personality test, was so obsessed with Carl Jung that she wrote homoromantic RPF about him with the names changed and sent it to publishers. Because this was in the early 1900s, her work got rejected for its "undignified" homosexual overtones and for being very boring. It's still available to read on the Michigan State University website.

The story is written from the POV of a fictional male patient of Jung's who cohabitates with him in a one-bedroom apartment and must part from him after they fall in love. Briggs met Jung several times throughout her life, so she wasn't just writing RPF about a celebrity psychologist she was obsessed with, but someone she knew and had corresponded with.

RIP Katharine Cook Briggs. Born too soon for AO3, born just in time to create the all-time favorite personality test of corporate employers.
 
Did the movie Junior start mpreg? I get the feeling Kojima watched that to come up with Death Stranding.
i read a paul mccartney x mary sue fic once - sadly, not yaoi - where her egg went up his dick and got him pregnant, so i would venture to say the beatles pioneered mpreg alongside annoying music. and wouldn't say junior was kojima's influence inasmuch as his completely organic lust to be birthed by mads mikkelsen.
 
RIP Katharine Cook Briggs. Born too soon for AO3, born just in time to create the all-time favorite personality test of corporate employers.
Somehow she hooked a man and had children with him. Likely just something she kept to herself on the side and lived a normal life otherwise, which modern fujos can't do.
 
Pornography definition: printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings. Simply put, porn can be pretty and have romance, but if it is meant to get you off, it's still porn. I've seen some impressive porn layouts, stories, and art. Still porn
The fact that people are still arguing against this is insane.

I mean, let's just take a step back, forget the whole yaoi thing, and just follow their logic for a second.

If porn magically stops being porn just because it's written than sites like Literotica, and books like 50 Shades aren't porn.

If porn magically stops being porn just because it's drawn than things like lolicon, and hentai aren't porn.

Are we starting to see how crazy this is?
 
Many of the very rotted fujoshis seem to be proshippers. You know, people who support incestuous or pedophilic pairings of characters.

Some choice posts from Tumblr:

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After all this time watching proship accounts like adybpt/Mouse/Tom, being proship does not mean you are a 'ship and let ship' person. You are just there to justify your pedophilia and incest fetish. There are fics I have seen where the author admitted being molested at the grand ole age of 6, before writing porn involving an eight year old and proceeding to say it was 'therapeutic'. Bitch, that isn't therapeutic. You are creating pedophilic content, because the goal there is to get off, not to explore how pedophilia is bad.

Proshippers tend to be monoshippers, ironically, and do not tolerate switch dynamics, meaning their favourite 'gay' top never gets a finger up the ass to get that prostate tickled and instead treats the 'bottom' as their cutesy tradwife.

"I'm fetishizing abuse" right and the moment someone makes fun of your autistic behaviour and how you will freak the fuck out if you so much as see something you disagree with, that's an attack on your character. If it's fine for me to fetishize abuse, well then, I'm taking away your mobility aids and watching you take a tumble down the stairs. It's my kink so you better not judge me. I love seeing people become slinkies down the steps.
 
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