The point is not that porn needs to be 100% vanilla missionary holding hands sex to not be rape. When you pay someone to perform a sex act, that person is not freely consenting. A money incentive is coercion. Words on a page can be destructive but are not nearly on the same level as porn.
Femdom is for men. That's why pegging doesn't actually give any pleasure to the women and only stimulates the man. That's why the women wear sexy latex suits that hug their asses and tits. That's why men pay for it.
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I think that "watching two other people get it on cuck-chair style" is more of a self-insert dynamic than you realize. The cuck male fantasizes about an ideal fetishized woman who excites an ideal fetishized man. The cuck can't truly be a part of this because he's not an ideal fetishized being. He's a subjective watcher. He can't see the sexual ideal within himself. Only someone external to him can represent the ideal, and he can only experience it through them.
I guess I can see that but i mean cuck porn has a 3 way dynamic built into it whereas yaoi is usually two people, I mean its imaginary so the only thing stopping you from imagining yourself in any position is your own conept of the situation and your own consciousness/hangups.
Being straight only means you are attracted to the opposite gender, it doesn't mean you actively want to pursue a relationship. Yaoi is the most popular in countries with horrible misogynistic men and terrible cultures like Japan, Korea and China for a reason.
Dear joined date 2024, I have been long enough on the internet to have seen horrific shit. I am here because I like laughing at deviants online, y'know, because we are in a site that was created to document a multitude of weird and strange people on the internet. That's like saying everyone who posted on the zoosadism thread is into zoosadism, or anyone who finds and post in the shocking deviantart art/loli/sjw thread is into it when they are looking at it with disgust. Gay men being disgusting isn't particularly a secret. Even normies know about drag and other disgusting gay male hobbies.
I am not reading all that shit; by you. But porn wouldn't exist without consumers, just like how male pornography for straight women doesn't exist because women aren't interested in seeing that shit. Thinking prostitutes are in any way shape or form in ''control'', when there are several studies about how most prostitutes and women into porn have a story of domestic violence, sexual abuse and addiction speaks about your lack of empathy towards victims, so it's worthless to waste my time talking to someone who believes ''she wanted it' men dindu nothing they are pressed by the evil porn women they have no free will to close the tab''. You should see a therapist to resolve your mommy issues, blaming all your problems on the person that wasted 9 months and 18 years on you speaks of otherworldly faggotry.
I know it's hard to believe, but women like romance. Women like seeing media where characters fall in love and similar scenarios. Women make up most of shipping because of this reason. Not everyone wants to self insert into romance, I know it's hard to believe because men don't like romance unless it's for wish fulfillment reasons where their literally mes get the waifu at the end. I used to read shoujo romance, and some aspects of it like the female characters always being such beta beckies with the personality of wet cardboard, made me quit. I can understand fujos who want to read romance involving two characters with personalities(or characters from media they like) as opposed to a self-insert that exists to appeal to the widest demographic.
Bullshit. You're a disingenuous mutt who will mutilate basic facts into whatever foul, nonsensical mockery of reality you wish to present. No fucking shit Sherlock the top 10 tags on AO3 are all "normal" when like half of the tags (sex, relationship, smut, sexual content) are found in nearly all fanfiction ever created and ESPECIALLY to love stories.
My point was to disprove the false claim that women goon to worse shit than men, as the request of the person I quoted, mind you. I don't know why you are so angry about it, take the stick up your arse. Women gooning to coffee AU yaoi fluff is objectively less vile than men gooning to hardcore anal teen rape latinas. It seems like men don't like the facts and logic when it paints them in a negative way. So much for men holding each other accountable.
Why are some of you incapable of having nuanced opinions that don't devolve into an all-or-nothing mentality? You can be pro adult men kissing and against little girls being buttfucked, it's not mutually exclusive. One is legal and harms no man, and the other is illegal and harms women. Why are loliggers like this?
I said the word ostensibly for a reason. Even then, thats a moot point. We aren't talking about pursuing a relationship, we're talking about smut written on the internet.
Then why not write a fantasy where the men aren't of such a disposition? Again, its a fetish thing, and thats ok. You dont need to (and in fact can't) justify how your fetish is actually pure and good and not at least somewhat degenerate.
Thats actually extremely easy to believe to the point of it being common sense. I'm not saying, nor do I believe that women are all, or are even by and large degenerate coomers, and I rather resent the implication. That said, yaoi is fetish material, and if you write/read a story with that as the focus, you are to a point writing/reading coomer material, even if it has romance elements.
Not every man does. What most men do want, is a story where the male character is not simply wish fulfillment for the female reader. Female written romance stories are outright insulting and to a point, degrading to read as a male; that is how wish fulfillment is written for women. Nothing wrong with that, but a spade is a spade.
Then why couldn't they write a male and female character, and merely not self insert? After all, its not just two characters, its two male characters. Either its a fetish, or theyre incapable of writing or reading a heterosexual romance without self inserting.
No shit retard. If pornhub tagged their videos the same way that AO3 does then the top 10 tags would be stuff like "woman" "video" "man" "sex" "porn". Catch all terms that nearly every single video is tagged with. Much like how the top 10 ao3 tags are probably found within like every single post on there. Do you also not understand how subsets and unions work?
Yes, this is something that happens on porn sites. Shocker. Now do me a favor and scroll through the AO3 BL section. A whole lot of "underage" tags popping up. Or is now all of that okay because "IT'S FICTIONAL!!11!"? We really dying on loli hill now?
Okay I get it men bad but what does that have to do with mpreg discussion?
It exists and women have been mocked and called degenerate for it for decades, too. This year men found out about LADS adding a period tracker, and men were claiming anime boys reacting to your period and telling you nice things while you're shitting your guts out and in pain is degen and gooner. You yourself claim romance for women is degrading to read as male and insulting, while on the same breath complaining about why women don't read straight romance instead of yaoi. Women who express their heterosexuality in ways that dont center the pleasure of men often get mocked. While women who wear lingerie, shave, get chocked and other gross shit for men are what men look for in a partner.
Because they are not for you. Not everything has to be about men and what men like. Just like how you admitted, men don't like writing stories where men are wish fulfillment for the female reader. Women don't like to write stories where women are wish fulfillment for the male reader. Also, may I ask why you think it's degrading? are the men too pretty for you or something? I find the idea of men finding picrel degrading hilarious, thanks for the laugh.
Because they are limited by the medium and editors. Shoujo romance is a product, and as a product is has to be appealing to a wider demographic. Having a meek, boring protagonist is safer than having a protagonist that's too edgy and can filter self-inserters. With yaoi you don't have to worry about that, since it's aimed at adults.
Honestly i am speechless, the fact you cannot comprehend something as simple as how trope tags work on fanfiction sites as opposed to rape sites made me realize you are borderline retarded. The fact you think a trope like Alternate Universe is any way and shape or form equal to something as general as ''woman'' tells me all I need to know. But then again, the concept of comparing written fanfiction to rape on tape where women are trafficked and abused is just plain wrong.
Maybe not degen per sey, but thats extremely parsocial to have an AI or whatever rigged to say nice things to you for emotional stability (and before you start, yes men who do the same are also pathetic)
Women write the vast (99%) majority of that, for other women. You'd think it would match their tastes. Also as an elaboration, when I said "as a male" I meant in terms of the male lead, who is often written not as a man, but as a paper thin wish fulfillment item for the female lead that does not act like a man, or even a real person, unlike the female lead who is written as a real woman and person. Again nothing wrong with that, but lets call a spade a spade
Same goes for men as well. For example, men who like feet are made fun of ad nasueum. That's as it should be, if you are a weirdo and like weird things, you are going to get made fun for it, and usually thats for the best.
See my previous statement. Nothing wrong with that, but lets call a spade a spade.
Yes, but most romance out there is not written that way. I can confidently say that 90% of anything found on AO3 is written as wish fulfillment for the female reader. I'll once again refer to my above statement, nothing wrong with that, but lets call a spade a spade.
I mean AO3 stories. I think this may have been lost, but much of what I say is in reference to AO3. Anything outside of that context I'm not really referring to aside from obvious generalizations.
I refer back to my statement above, in terms of works I am specifically discussing AO3. Outside of that I cannot comment outside of A Priori generalizations.
Not gonna keep responding because i also dont want to keep wasting time on this but I am sorry you are genuinely a mega super faggot if you feel this is degrading when the genderbent of this is what REAL MEN want in their partners and what they expect of a relationship with a woman, but also adding ''does all the cooking, cleaning and child caring'' .
Excuse me but I think y'all ladies forgot to post this article from the BBC of Chinese police arresting yaoi artists and stripsearching them in broad daylight (archive).
