General GunTuber thread

The purpose of the Maginot line was to force the Germans to attempt to flank France through Belgium, thus giving the French the opportunity of fighting as much of the war as possible on foreign soil (Belgium) as opposed to fighting in France itself. The French strategy was to try and force the Germans into a long, slow war that they were bound to win due to their greater access to raw resources and the German's comparatively vulnerable position for importing resources.
The Germans successfully defeated this strategy by launching the war with an overwhelming surprise attack, allowing their forces to penetrate deep into France before the French were able to fully mobilize their army.
It also helped that the French command structure was as autistic and retarded as a discord chat. Decision makers often had no fucking clue who they reported to for the last word. All Guderian had to do was drive forward while they fumbled ineptly among themselves.
 
There is no excuse for France in the 1940s. However, I think he's mostly annoyed because the average American worldview starts from the 1930s onwards. Nothing prior to that, happened.
Basically. France was a military powerhouse that had one bad year everyone remembers and through a series of hon hon hons later on by French leadership and resistance to NATOs that bad year settled in American mindset. Today they’re probably the only European country that can effectively operate overseas and project power. Granted it IS in Africa but still. Why they decided to go along with the EU which is largely German centric power I’ll never understand. They even ditched their in country manufacturing for rifles and are using German ones now.
 
The Germans successfully defeated this strategy by launching the war with an overwhelming surprise attack, allowing their forces to penetrate deep into France before the French were able to fully mobilize their army.

I would say that the greatest failing of France during the war is that the Blitzkrieg somehow came as a surprise.
During the Phoney War France and Britain sat there with their thumbs up their asses unwilling to see the writing on the wall and consider how Poland fell so quickly.
Britain would be seen in the same vein as France in regards to ineptitude, but luckily they had an island to retreat to and they got incredibly lucky that German high command fucked up and the LOLwaffe was tasked with destroying them at Dunkirk.

Today they’re probably the only European country that can effectively operate overseas and project power

Britain is still able to project power, but they are an absolute shadow of what they were, even compared to what they were back in the 80's when the rot had already set in. I cannot believe that they would be able to launch a Falkland-esque campaign in the modern day.
That said, as laughable as the Royal Navy is (at least compared to what they were once) they are still the most capable Navy in Europe.
 
During the Phoney War France and Britain sat there with their thumbs up their asses unwilling to see the writing on the wall and consider how Poland fell so quickly.
The Phony War gave the Germans the time to regroup, rest, rearm and learned from experience in taking Poland. Had France and England acted during the invasion of Poland or the Phony War. At worst they would've locked Germany into a repeat of trench warfare but with more newer toys to make everything worst. The very kind of warfare the Germans would've lost in.

The "cowardice" label is rightfully applied to the English and French leadership
Not the English and French soldiers who fought as well as they could and many of them better then the opposing German soldiers.
 
The Siggers have killed a nigger. Just buy a bunch of Glock 17s and 19s, paint them brown, and call it good.
We must advocate for the removal of all Sig guns because they're RACIST. Inshallah, we must have a non-racist company like Taurus (they're latinx o algo) design a new handgun and 6.5 rifle for the Mutt Army.
 
Ivan is trying to get internet famous again. Being polite failed, being quirky failed, fedposting only got him put in the news and aggressively sperging out seems to be the only thing that works so he's warmed up his mom's camcorder for another "WELL ACKSHUALLY" post in regards to the P320 testing videos that he may have missed the, albeit flawed, intended message of.
https://x.com/NaviGoBoom/status/1951141202645876789 (A)


Responses are not happy because in his hurry to completely miss the point he's now confusing the internet populace with his own unintended message that all guns are now unsafe based on this test.
Well done, you retarded FIB.
 
The thing where they're preloading the trigger does seem like a red hearing because of how much they're preloading it. The real issue per the FBI testing seems to be related to the striker block shifting out of position on its own power without trigger manipulation.

The test that showed more would be to wedge the striker block in some other way that didn't require a trigger pull and see if that back fed enough tension into the system that the striker was still ready to jump.
 
The thing where they're preloading the trigger does seem like a red hearing because of how much they're preloading it. The real issue per the FBI testing seems to be related to the striker block shifting out of position on its own power without trigger manipulation.

The test that showed more would be to wedge the striker block in some other way that didn't require a trigger pull and see if that back fed enough tension into the system that the striker was still ready to jump.
Yeah I laid out my thoughts in the relevant thread. My general opinion is that it was the right message with the wrong messenger, that the striker safety is being defeated prematurely with the downward movement of the slide considering we've got video that states it can only be released with a complete trigger pull, not <1mm of pressure.
Which then leads to consideration of whether or not it's possible to defeat it without pressure on the trigger, or if holsters truly are aiding in setting it off.
 
Ivan is trying to get internet famous again. Being polite failed, being quirky failed, fedposting only got him put in the news and aggressively sperging out seems to be the only thing that works so he's warmed up his mom's camcorder for another "WELL ACKSHUALLY" post in regards to the P320 testing videos that he may have missed the, albeit flawed, intended message of.
https://x.com/NaviGoBoom/status/1951141202645876789 (A)
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Responses are not happy because in his hurry to completely miss the point he's now confusing the internet populace with his own unintended message that all guns are now unsafe based on this test.
Well done, you retarded FIB.
Ivan is one of the most insufferable faggots in the whole Guntwitter space, and that’s really saying something.
 
Yeah I laid out my thoughts in the relevant thread. My general opinion is that it was the right message with the wrong messenger, that the striker safety is being defeated prematurely with the downward movement of the slide considering we've got video that states it can only be released with a complete trigger pull, not <1mm of pressure.
Which then leads to consideration of whether or not it's possible to defeat it without pressure on the trigger, or if holsters truly are aiding in setting it off.
I wouldn’t be surprised if a mix of Indian QC parts, design, and build up of grim in wear are just creating a perfect storm of the gun going off in holsters. Unsure if the current mass reporting of P320 is a viral sensation or just everything just going bad all at once.

My local club also asked us that loaded P320 models are to be on the firing line only instead of carried
 
Ivan is trying to get internet famous again. Being polite failed, being quirky failed, fedposting only got him put in the news and aggressively sperging out seems to be the only thing that works so he's warmed up his mom's camcorder for another "WELL ACKSHUALLY" post in regards to the P320 testing videos that he may have missed the, albeit flawed, intended message of.
https://x.com/NaviGoBoom/status/1951141202645876789 (A)
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Responses are not happy because in his hurry to completely miss the point he's now confusing the internet populace with his own unintended message that all guns are now unsafe based on this test.
Well done, you retarded FIB.
How is Ivan such a bellend over something so simple.
 
Id also argue in further reflection that the total difference in nature between the Glock and sig trigger groups kind of make Ivan's point pointless.
Ivan, in his panicked backpedal to clarify his fumbled point, says that people do not know how guns work and relates the action of the Glock's trigger pull to the 320's trigger pull.
Which disregards all the extra bits in the Sig that makes the trigger pull much more involved than with a Glock.

Oh, the ironing.
 
Ivan, in his panicked backpedal to clarify his fumbled point, says that people do not know how guns work and relates the action of the Glock's trigger pull to the 320's trigger pull.
Which disregards all the extra bits in the Sig that makes the trigger pull much more involved than with a Glock.

Oh, the ironing.

Ivan is actually one of my favorite people when it comes to researching and understanding a problem from a ground up perspective. His biggest problem, however, is the same one I have struggled with over the years: staging the explanation so that the most people understand what is going on.

This whole 1mm past the wall thing picked up a lot of attention specifically because it is "opaque" to most people. They can't mentally see the interaction in the gun. By being so narrow and jocular in Ivan's first attempt, the specific context was lost and the same opaqueness allowed the public to make all sorts of strange assumptions.

Even the second video lacks a solid preamble. Yes he summarized the claim, but it wasn't until the end that he clarifies this whole Glock thing is to show this trigger test is almost meaningless. The major claim against SIG is that they can fire without pulling the trigger at all. Given the claims, I am more curious about lateral pressure or torsion from inertia.

I have found that for short or "pop" topics you always have to tell the story at least twice, all the way through. Which is frankly annoying when you already understand what you are saying.

Now on a cultural note: he and Matt both have a more... Online-contemporary sense of humor I can't quite get into. Equally, from their perspective, I look prudish and out of date I'm sure. But that is a sort of personality dressing I can look right past for anyone with good data and hope people give me the same grace.
 
His biggest problem, however, is the same one I have struggled with over the years: staging the explanation so that the most people understand what is going on.
I've seen it described with political topics as Red Pill Tourette's, where the information is conveyed without staging, as you said, as well as with the assumption that the listener is vaguely remotely aware of the concepts at the core of the discussion. His infodump or attempted revelation style is impossible because the triggerpressslidewiggle has been shown to everyone and their dog and presented by someone who seems to not be a complete idiot with a lot of competent shooting videos.
But that's not so much the problem as it is the combative nature he has towards willful ignorance when it can be misconstrued as directed towards people who now dislike the P320. The internet is reactive and impulsive. He should be worldly enough to understand this, which is why I just assumed he was initially doing it for attention. Apparently I'm wrong as he doubled down on the provocation.
Given the claims, I am more curious about lateral pressure or torsion from inertia.
User @Foley found a thread on Xitter about the alleged intended specification and production measurements of the FCU, it might be a good momentary skim for you. Nobody has proper diagrams or measurements aside from what's nabbed from court cases so most everyone is flying blind and those privy don't want to play ball.
 
But that's not so much the problem as it is the combative nature he has towards willful ignorance when it can be misconstrued as directed towards people who now dislike the P320. The internet is reactive and impulsive. He should be worldly enough to understand this, which is why I just assumed he was initially doing it for attention. Apparently I'm wrong as he doubled down on the provocation.

I suppose this is a subsection of the cultural difference. Both he and Matt are comfortable with "banter." The aggressive and argumentative tones common in Discord chats, Twitter debates, Xbox lobbies, and edgy forums.

I have young relatives who speak the same way and understanding when they are actually frustrated versus joking around can be difficult at times. For someone who did not grow up with this mock attitude mixed with real, it's whiplash inducing even when you understand.

Overall the conversation around the 320 is a nightmare. Very little substance and a lot of feelings. An almost knee-jerk emotional response from grown men in all directions. And even just saying that much I will invite assumptions that I am on some team in this debate.
 
Overall the conversation around the 320 is a nightmare. Very little substance and a lot of feelings. An almost knee-jerk emotional response from grown men in all directions. And even just saying that much I will invite assumptions that I am on some team in this debate.
As with most discussions on the internet that leak into the mainstream it inevitably becomes a sportsball argument between two teams. I'm trying not to show bias, since I'm more disappointed by the apparent proactive firing mechanism and I actually wanted a P320 when I first handled it, but it's hard not to get sucked in for either the sake of the banter or just wanting to be right.

As far as his banter goes, he's still relatively unknown. He's not a Hickock, he's not a Kentucky Ballistics, he's that guy who posts 3D printed guns-if they remember him for that-so they're going to treat him as some random asshole that thinks the guy who put effort into a "test" is incorrect with nothing to back it up. It's dumb because it's the internet, always has been.
 
The Phony War gave the Germans the time to regroup, rest, rearm and learned from experience in taking Poland. Had France and England acted during the invasion of Poland or the Phony War. At worst they would've locked Germany into a repeat of trench warfare but with more newer toys to make everything worst. The very kind of warfare the Germans would've lost in.

The "cowardice" label is rightfully applied to the English and French leadership
Not the English and French soldiers who fought as well as they could and many of them better then the opposing German soldiers.
I remember hearing somewhere that the Allied leadership in the winter of '39 was so obsessively averse to offensive operations on the Westfront that in order to profitably employ their idle divisions, they even contemplated deploying an expeditionary force to intervene in the Finnish Winter War in a retarded attempt at opening a second front against the German-Soviet bloc.
 
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