📚 Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[Aunt Carol]

They usually don't break but pop out of the fake dick, and that's fun.

It's exactly like the underwire eroding its way out of an old bra.

 

[Not Dr. Evil]

Another one bites the dust.

 

[Audit]

Another one bites the dust.

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Ah, nature is healing.

 

[Two Frogs]

Another one bites the dust.

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"If you want breasts later in life, you can go and get them."

Ghoulish. Imagine having this approach to the destruction of natural tissues. Double mastectomy patients everywhere can just relax and feel better because the destruction of their natural breasts is meaningless!

 

[farmer andy]

Another one bites the dust.

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It’s not enough. You can’t perpetrate this level of cruel physical and psychological destruction on children and then just close the doors, lock up, whimsically flip the key over your shoulder, and stroll away down the street whistling a jaunty tune.

I don’t want blood for no reason, I want the deterrent that is the fundamental principle behind consequences in the law. Why wouldn’t you just move onto the next insane unscientific butchery when that comes up (I dunno, how about making furries into real animals?) if you can just walk away when everyone finally realizes it was nonsense all along?

 

[Day of the Cope]

Detransitioner Ritchie Herron said on the Heretics podcast that this very thread had dissuaded a lot of potential troons/poons from getting surgery. And he picked Null as his "Heretic you admire".

I actually used a lot of what's provided in this very thread as a way to at least prevent someone from getting SRS. Obviously, I didn't say it was from a Kiwifarms thread.

 

[Meat Grinder]

"If you want breasts later in life, you can go and get them."

Ghoulish. Imagine having this approach to the destruction of natural tissues. Double mastectomy patients everywhere can just relax and feel better because the destruction of their natural breasts is meaningless!

What a sick cunt. Mastectomies are not reversible.

Shyster wants to cut girls' breasts off to sell them silicone slabs later in life. They're not mounds of fat on your chest. They're organs with a purpose.

Detransition breast reconstruction also does not work, even visually. They're different from cancer mastectomies, where usually the surgeons plan for reconstruction and leave enough skin and surrounding tissue to insert fat grafts later. Trans mastectomies result in almost skin on scar tissue on bone, there's absolutely nothing a doctor can do that will look like a natural breast shape. Not to mention that the most common trans mastectomy methods guarantee that the nipples will be in the wrong place.

Examples:

Spoiler: Original breasts and post-mastectomy

Spoiler: Attempted reconstruction

Spoiler: Post-mastectomy

Spoiler: Attempted reconstruction

It is absolutely insane how these grifters have convinced people that surgery is magic. It's not even remotely close.

 

[Screamer_2]

It is absolutely insane how these grifters have convinced people that surgery is magic. It's not even remotely close.

It's almost as if people have been conditioned to not live in an objective reality. Before he went insane, I'd listen to Jordan Peterson talk about all this postmodernist stuff, how they think. Find it interesting but whatever. Some professors on campus. Then at some point, it seems a whole bunch of society has been programmed to not observe reality in how they view the world.

What level of people knowingly take advantage of these not in reality thinking people. Versus they're all just delussional and believe it. I don't know.

 

[Tin Foil Hatter]

I have a little theory on this one too - I am not exactly ready for peer review shall we say, but it’s coming together - I think they kinda want the scars. Sure, they want the dick or whatever, but they’d be less happy without also having the scars too.

It sounds insane (but what part of this doesn’t?) however when you look at how bad a lot of the tit chop scars are it certainly adds weight to the idea. That procedure is a lot better developed and practiced due to things like breast cancer and there just doesn’t seem to be a reason to leave those train tracks running all over their torsos. Additionally, they seem to show them off so proudly - in a lot of those posts that end up archived over here they’re showing off their new bits, but frequently there’s an undertone of wanting to show off the evidence of the procedure too. It’s not enough to be a real live honestly trust me man, it’s also about the journey somehow.

There are other little cultural artifacts that make me suspect this too - for example does anyone remember that game from a year or so back that let you add ‘top surgery scars’ to you character on the character creation screen? Even when given a fantasy scenario in which they can craft the perfect manifestation of the body they want, they still need to add the horrific scars to show that it wasn’t always that way.

It comes across to me as part of that special snowflake phenomenon; where they don’t actually want to be treated like men, they want to be treated like trans men, which is its own special category/class where they can choose the bits of a man’s life they quite like the sound of, leave some out, and cobble together a bunch of other dynamics like some kind of identity buffet.

I think you are on to something there. Part of the problem is that modern soyciety has replaced accomplishment with identity. It's no longer "this smart kid does smart things" but "this troon is stunning and brave for being a troon!" I am of the belief that corporations and government want to control innovation and ideas so they promote this mentality.

That's what makes the troons so useful for this. They pay huge amounts of money for these expensive surgeries that leave them mutilated. Scars have deep cultural significance, so they can say "seee! look at my mutilation! i am great! I survived This!". However we recoil at horror because those were self inflicted scars. The troon thinks they are brave because of the thousands of years of scars having cultural significance for being a biological badge of survival, especially in the pre-penicillin age. They lose their dicks and fertility but are replaced with scars. It's truly dystopian.

 

[JohnnyG]

Don’t get your hopes up. People who participated in this will either fade into obscurity or flat out deny they ever supported it.

True but they can pull a Malcolm Gladwell, “I was secretly against it the whole time but I was scared to say anything!” Idk, I hope I’m wrong, those people deserve to suffer.

Normie ballast will fade , but troonery is worshipped in the broader Spiteful Mutant movement because it's so absurd and permanent that it signals total loyalty. Hard to come back from becoming a eunuch for your fetish (or being a parent who's sterilized/castrated your child), so as public opinion wanes I think we'll see aggressive doubling down, and probably more psychotic violence.

I think they kinda want the scars. Sure, they want the dick or whatever, but they’d be less happy without also having the scars too.

they want to be treated like trans men, which is its own special category/class

going through the world as a man can be tough. Especially so if you're actually a very stereotypical, crocheting, makeup-wearing, 5'1", cry-on-a-dime, histrionic woman

As a benevolent sexist, I know how cruel it'd be to send even the most roided-up lesbian into male company as a "man", because it won't be like on Faceberg where they LARP obnoxious Dudebro stereotypes to thunderous applause from troons and YASSing women. Best case, obnoxious manlet yapping would be ruthlessly mocked by men with a lifetime of banter experience.

They don't want to be treated like men, they want to perform their fetish with Roman-envoy immunity. Even that "gravel bro" woman (who spends her time practicing things like moving in slow motion to appear less neurotic) reverts to Longhouse shaming when the (actual) blue collar bros tell edgy jokes. "Stare at them and ask them to explain what's so funny" like a literal HR nag.

 

[Dolly Brooks]

Speaking of… (only posting it here since it’s related to Johnny’s comment.)

ICE Warden Put Transgender Detainees into Forced Labor Program: Complaint

On one hand, prisoners shouldn’t be forced to do hard labor for pennies, male or female. On the other hand, lol.

 

[Tin Foil Hatter]

"Stare are them and ask them to explain what's so funny" like a literal HR nag.

That won't work if the dude is good at gaslighting. Like a real, dyed in the wool bully would detect that weakness and pull all sorts of fuckery on them. like "WHY don't YOU understand this!? How are you not a team player!? You are letting us down, are you against us?" etc etc. You can tell they never held a real job or dealt with the horrors of an evil manager. All they have done is chased the good people away, and left themselves open to the evil ones, and when those guys rofl stomp them or make their lives even worse, everyone else is indifferent because not only did they bring this on themselves but they were absolute assholes about it.

What makes the times we live in so God damn Surreal is i now have a full understanding as to why my grandparent's generation were so strict and enforced stringent morals. Those morals were what kept these lunatics away and when society got rid of them look what we got.

 

[JohnnyG]

That won't work if the dude is good at gaslighting. Like a real, dyed in the wool bully would detect that weakness and pull all sorts of fuckery on them. like "WHY don't YOU understand this!? How are you not a team player!? You are letting us down, are you against us?" etc

I don't think it works with normal people in real life, especially a blue-collar setting like the factory she claims to work in...unless she's in some HR / administrative / clipboard role and the guys have to roll their eyes and humour her.

She's just doing the internet ShitLib meme: "Why would refugee stats in the vibrantly diverse neighbourhood where the crackhead stabbing took place possibly matter?" (Explain it to me so I can complain to your corporate headquarters)

i now have a full understanding as to why my grandparent's generation were so strict and enforced stringent morals

"The older I get, the smarter my dad gets." And then I think about how strict I thought my dad was as a kid, only to realize how reasonable he seems as an adult, and hear him talk about how much stricter his father and grandfather seemed...

 

[Magic Pickle]

Consider this a "Where Are They Now" episode - today's features will predominantly be updating the fine folks of this thread on the statuses of troons 'n' poons of past posts!

First up we have Ftmdre, who is kindly giving us a check-up on the weird freak shit she's had going on in her pants sine March: fortuitously, it seems her wounds are actually healing, proving that not every SRS surgeon is a knuckle-dragging money-minded chimpanzee let loose from its enclosure. Perhaps there is some hope for our li'l dood to pull through after all...
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Pre op coming up (update)​

So I have my pre op October 7th and I wanna get my surgeon and his team something nice to thank them for fixing my stricture for my stage 1 johanson method successfully (this is my new team) they are honestly a blessing and better then the team I had before I was thinking donuts for the whole team and a thank you card for my surgeon with a $30 Starbucks gift card in it , what ideas do you guys think? I honestly plan on giving him a bigger gift once I’m completely done with everything I wanna get him some shoes he loves Nike dunks and stuff . I just want to show my appreciation to him for real he saved my life I didn’t want to be here anymore before I met him I had 3 strictures I had been going through this issue since May 2024 and he’s still fixing the problem it will be completely fixed when I have my stage 2 urethroplasty which is October 24th I had recurring UTIs for over a year catheters on and off for over a year I was mentally done with life and I really want to thank him because he was a blessing in my life honestly, I feel like not too many patients show there appreciation to the surgeons that actually care and the ones that’s not just there for the money. He does his job to the extreme and even goes out of his way to check on me I’ve never had a surgeon like him .i really have a lot of love for him honestly!

Spoiler: Now when I say it looks better, that DOESN'T mean it looks GOOD.

Months ago in June, we saw just how dreadful Reasonable-Sky7268's phalloplasty had been shaping up to be, but she's proven that the human body is capable of truly miraculous feats - her psuedocock is now more hotdog than rotdog despite the grisly gore it endured earlier this year. While it still looks like an alien appendage, at least it doesn't look like it's on the verge of brewing a new global pandemic, I guess?
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Abdominal Phalloplasty UK stage one FULLY HEALED UPDATE​

Long overdue update for those following along. I have reached the end of the tunnel and I'm all healed. Here’s how everything’s looking. I have a very small surface wound in my scar on my belly. Everything’s healed so well. Thanks to anyone who’s been keeping up with my posts. Hope this offers reassurance to anyone going through wound separation.

Spoiler: All of that trauma and effort for... that thing...?

The joke stops here: while SonofApollo_ was laughing it up in her last post, it seems that it's the curtain call for this comedy act as she complains that her voiding trials aren't going according to plan - and her mutant metoidioplasty seems to be getting uglier by the day.
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Anyone know what this is?​

I'm not in pain or anything just noticed this white sport on my left nut. Anyone know what happened here? Messaging my surgeon as well obviously. I put some medihoney on and I'm covering it in the meantime

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Disappointed with my pee trial today ​

Hey guys. I started my pee trials today and they didn't go as well as I had hope. I ended up taking Oxybutynin last night because I had such bad spasms and my surgeon never told me any different. I'm not sure if that's to blame for the weak flow I started out with or not.

I started out just having a thin stream and then I noticed it was leaking under my scrotum where I was afraid it was going to (picture attached) a significant amount. Drops, not a stream, but a significant amount.

My body sort of naturally stopped peeing before my bladder was empty and luckily I had a friend tell me to get a flip flow valve. The residual amount was 3/4 of an 8oz bottle.

I'm aggravated I have a fistula and aggravated at the care team for not telling me anything other than "cap the catheter and pee for two days prior to your follow up," giving me absolutely no instructions for what to do if I couldn't pee, if there was a leak, etc. I finally called the after hours doctor after sending an urgent message and having another nurse tell me to keep peeing, this one said to stop...

I guess I'm just feeling pretty down, disappointed, and lonely.

Anyone else have a fistula under their scrotum? Did it heal on its own? How long did it take? Any and all advice is welcome

Spoiler: Peegliacci.

Back in March, cipation showed off her downright comical physique as she proudly displayed her rotdog for the world to see; now her little chode is ready for his close-up, so let's all gather around the bassinet to see what such labor brought into this world!
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AMA. 1 week post glansplasty, scrotoplasty conversion, leash scar revision, and fistula repair with Buncke (Watt) & Chen.​

bored out of my mind, feel free to ask me anything!
1 week since stage 2. catheter pain has been much more manageable this time thanks to a combination of detrol and only having a single (urethral) foley catheter. still having frequent bleeding along incisions on and behind scrotum. changing xeroform on glans daily and doing silicone strips on my arm.
my stage 2 involved glansplasty, a couple of scar revisions, repair of a fistula that was located at the top of my scrotum, and conversion of the scrotum from fused bifid to V-Y method.

Spoiler: Her hand swelling has NOT improved!

It's been nearly a year since we last heard from Hydroplanet in this thread, and she's one of the rare few who seems to be doing quite well for herself as a member of the mutilation menagerie. She's doing so well, in fact, she's been trading sexy selfies of her fauxnis to prospective paramours and was even kind enough to show off her heinously ashy psuedodick for everyone on Reddit - and by extension, everyone on the Farms.
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Had a hookup last week and they asked for a d$ck pic​

Never been one to do hookups but decided to try it since they were moving at the end of the week. We hooked up 3 times and it was awesome. She moved Sunday but texted me tonight with a fantasy of me taking her in the back of my truck so I sent her this. I NEVER felt comfortable with my genitals before or sent pics. Feels pretty epic.

Spoiler: Please put some lotion on that skin or else I'll get the hose again!

Trials and tribulations for tranny No_Bodybuilder5256 continue as he struggles to be fe-line fine with his rotpussy due to supposed "clitoral burial," and the medical staff responsible for his complete and total dickballectomy repeatedly put off seeing him for at least a year to give his crotch a chance to heal fully before they take another surgical sledgehammer to it. Now he is in the trenches of despair as the rarest tranny emotion of all, so rare it may not even exist, begins to slither into his mind: regret.
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Is my clit buried? 86 days post op Brassard​

And if it is would I need a revision?

[–] No_Bodybuilder5256
This is what the nurse at GrS MTL said about this:-
“There is skin that has fused between the clitoris and the urethra during the healing process. This can occur and may sometimes cause difficulty stimulating the clitoris. It can happen without complications, but depending on your recovery, it may affect clitoral sensitivity.
You may try using a vibrator to reach and enhance sensitivity. One year after surgery once the healing process has fully concluded, we can organize a consultation with the surgeon to discuss the possibility of corrective surgery. This timeline allows your body sufficient time to heal and helps prevent complications that could arise from having surgery too soon after the initial procedure.
If there is functional impairment and the clitoris is indeed buried, there are limited options aside from surgery to remove the excess tissue covering it.”

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Looking for emotional support and advice here | 86 days post op | Brassard​

So I had surgery w dr. Brassard on July 2nd, 2025 and have a really rough recovery with dehiscence at the bottom opening of my vagina and then hypergranulation.
Now that everything has closed and sealed, I finally tried to look for my clit and feel things. People say the clit feels sparky and very sensitive to me, it felt like nothing. I kept asking the nurses to help me locate my clit so I can atleast explore it because thats what the post op booklet says and the nurses kept saying “its hidden right now we cannot pin point”. Now, that most of the things arr closed and I noticed this dull pink tubular structure appeared but its beneath my skin and from the bottom like towards my vagina has a browish-grayish bridge formed under it.
I immediately emailed the Grs MTL nurses and they had yep thats the clitoris, and then I explored it and felt nothing at all and then I read something about clitoral glans getting buried under scar tissue, I emailed the Grs MTL nurses again and tjis time she said the skin bridge that formed is over the clit and urethra and it can occur and can interfere with clitoral sensitivity and sensations.
I have no sensations let alone orgasmic sensations from that area. The nurse told me to use a vibrator on that area and explore sensations. I did, felt nothing but when I squeezed my vagina/vulva, I felt dull pleasure (could be placebo idk at this point if you ask me as I’m severely depressed and disappointed). The nurse said after 1 year of surgery a consultation w the surgeon can be scheduled and a surgical revision to free the glans can be performed.
I researched about it again and the internet says until the glans is freed (something called lysis of clitoral adhesion), true orgasmic sensations are impossible.
Has anyone experienced this? I am feeling really heartbroken because I already had a hard time with this recovery and was thinking this would actually make me feel better but I am feeling like I was better pre op, its not like I wanna go back to that I just want my clitoris to give me pleasure since it is the ONLY true orgasmic organ/tissue and knowing I will have to wait 9 months for me to have actual pleasure from my vulva is make me very depressed and to just stop exploring and looking for sensations and just do basic things to keep it alive like dilations..
Online, it also says that the skin bridge can loosen and the glans might become mobile and accessible, but I dont know about that, I also migjt have something called keratin pearls, idk all in all very disappointed :’(
Has someone went through this?

Spoiler: So... which part is supposed to be the clitoris?

This is a series of updates from falloutcatboy who is still enduring continued issues around urination. At first, it seemed that she'd finally caught a break after getting her catheter removed, claiming she nearly cried with happiness when she could pee out of her rotdog for the first time - but such blessings faded after only a week, and now she's miserable because not only does she not piss properly, but her fakedick is also really ugly. Just can't win, huh?
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Guy with the Foley erosion here; a POSITIVE update​

If you scroll through the subreddit you will see I was struggling with erosion on the side of my dick where the foley was. A Huge hole had appeared overnight.
I did take everyone's advice and go to the ER. They got me on some antibiotics and I went home.
Well I woke up the next day and the entire foley was eroding through the entire side of my dick, on the original stage one stitch line.
Called my surgeon and he had me rush over (3 hour drive) to his office.
We made the decision to risk pulling the foley early. He thinks the phallus wall was weak because of a large blister I suffered from during stage one recovery, and the foley was able to rub away at the skin after the stricture repair because of this.
We pulled the foley after he filled my bladder. I ran to the bathroom and was able to pee (came out of dick, two holes on the side, and a bit from behind scrotum).
We considered it safe for me to go home like that, and will decide our plan on my original r.u.g date early October.
When I got home I peed again later, with it about 50/50 out of tip and behind scrotum. I globbed medihoney on and went to bed.
I woke up today and the hole behind scrotum had FINALLY healed. I peed soley from my dick for the first time during this entire phallo journey. I actually cried lol.
The holes on the side of the phallus are trying to heal but weak. Sometimes pee comes out of them sometimes not. I'm adding medihoney to them as well.
Since the foley removal my healing has skyrocketed. I can't believe how much the foley was impacting my recovery. I'm more mobile, I feel better and less sick, and my groin area is healing at a speed I didn't think possible.
I was in such a bad place before foley removal you have no idea. The depression was insane.
But now without a catheter and with my dick finally able to heal, my mood has made a complete 180.
My stream is strong so far when peeing. I still sit to pee, but i might try standing later today. With the holes on the side of the phallus still healing, I'm afraid of getting pee everywhere lol.
For now, my goal is to keep healing, and hope a stricture doesn't return. I have more hope now than I did a few days ago. The stricture repair had shown so many signs of failing previously, but with this foley out all those signs are gone and everything looks much better.
A shoutout to medihoney as well, for closing my hole behind the scrotom from the stricture repair.
I didn't get name brand medihoney, just some off Amazon. (Just make sure whatever you buy says 100% manuka medical grade honey). It was 12 bucks well spent.

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Tips for fistula on shaft?​

So after foley removal I have two fistulas on my shaft from the erosion. One is almost completely healed, while the one higher up closer to the middle of the shaft is being stubborn.
When I wake up, it is closed and I can stp with no leaks. But by the next time I pee it has opened up and i soak the gauze. I still get 85% of pee through the tip which is nice.
I'm sure this fistula will end up needing to be fixed with my next stage, but is there anything I can do to promote healing and make it leak as little as possible until then?
I've tried medihoney and silver honey, but due to the location and the fistula being moist most of the time, it either doesn't stay on or help much (it did help the other fistula close though).
Any tips on healing, or just stp advice with a shaft fistula would be nice! Ty!

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Peeing questions!​

So I've been peeing a few days now post stricture repair. At first I could get a solid straight stream out (well at a 45 degree angle). Now it seems to spray more. I can fully empty my bladder in about 30-35 seconds. As you can see I have a fistula leak I'm dealing with but it's getting better.

I have no baseline for what normal peeing is, as this past week was my first time ever peeing from my dick despite having stage one in june. I had the stricture repair recently and have overcome quite a few complications.

Does this stream look good to you for a fairly recent stricture repair?

(I don't need comments on the state of the bathroom. I am staying at someone's house who is kind enough to let me recover here so I don't need rude comments about the toilet)

Spoiler: Don't be disrespectful about her toilet, you guize!

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Was able to pee for one week..​

I'm gunna be honest. I'm jealous of everyone else. People get strictures months later and then one surgery to fix them.
I had stage one in june and never even got to void trials. I had a cath all summer. I had my stricture repair sept 10th, and then the foley cath eroded my dick.
I finally got the foley out and was able to pee out of my dick for the first time. I got to enjoy that for a week. Thats it. I didn't even get a month, or three months like other people. I get one fucking week before it's taken from me.
I meet with my surgeon Thursday. I have to sit to pee again because the few drops I get out leak down my leg or all over the floor.
I just wish I could have the easy journey some guys get. I think the whole stricture journey wouldn't bother me as much if my stage one results were not so bad. I know it's because my dick almost died in stage one, and that's why it looks like this. But having really, really bad asthetics on top of the dick not working feels like salt in the wound.
I hate my body for this. I hate how it refuses to heal correctly at every single stage. It feels like my body is actively trying to destroy my happiness.
Honestly I think at this point if I have to chose between my dick working and it looking good, I'm going to chose it looking good. Because at least I know one surgery can fix that. I refuse to postpone that again because of a stupid stricture. I'll just have a cath again for 6 months. It feels like my default setting at this point.

Last but certanly not least, the saga of 46XX_ has taken him to a rather grim conclusion: he's now debating whether or not the warzone that was once his willy can possibly be nullified completely, leaving behind only a urethra to stand as a headstone in the graveyard of his groin. But remember, everybody: he doesn't regret a thing!
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Nullo after SrS (5yrs post op)​

Hi! So I've been reflecting alot, and even after undergoing srs i still feel like so uncomfortable w my parts?
And i was wondering if anyone knew if it was possible to undergo nullo if you already had srs, or if thats a closed door :/
Tysm
edit i would also like to add that I dont regret SrS, I'm happier than before but my parts just still make me uncomfy

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Vaginal prolapse??​

Does anyone know if its even possible to have vaginal prolapse w a neo vag? Bc my surgeon is ghosting me like always, but my symptoms over the past 5yrs have been very similar.
Symptoms:

• downwards pressure (feels like its falling out, and quite painful) whenever I stand for to long, or even after going to the toilet sometimes.
• bulging at the entrance sometimes??

And some other minor issues.
Edit:
Maybe some important info, I've had multiple revisions including an canal swap from peritoneal to colon. And the symptoms have been the same throughout.

 

[Otterly]

Spoiler: All of that trauma and effort for..

I’m most amused by how the pattern on the tattoo is replicated on the wallpaper.
#justguythings

 

[Aunt Carol]

Now he is in the trenches of despair as the rarest tranny emotion of all, so rare it may not even exist, begins to slither into his mind: regret.

Man, I guarantee somewhere on the surgical consent (and in the surgeon's dictation of the consent session) they said "btw if we blenderize your genital structure you may never coom again, you cool?"

Eternally amazed that adults think their bodies are Meat Lego--or more specifically that nerves can be swapped as blithely as data cables.

(I don't need comments on the state of the bathroom. I am staying at someone's house who is kind enough to let me recover here so I don't need rude comments about the toilet)

Call me old-fashioned, but if you're staying at someone's house for free, you could repay the favor by doing some light housework.

It doesn't really matter whose poop is in a toilet; if you're the one who chooses to take a video of said poopy toilet and post it online, you're co-signing and endorsing the poop.

 

[Hongourable Madisha]

They don't want to be treated like men, they want to perform their fetish with Roman-envoy immunity. Even that "gravel bro" woman (who spends her time practicing things like moving in slow motion to appear less neurotic) reverts to Longhouse shaming when the (actual) blue collar bros tell edgy jokes. "Stare are them and ask them to explain what's so funny" like a literal HR nag.

Even normal "masculine" women, like butch women, women who were tomboys in childhood, or who grew up with brothers or in a culture where bantz is more common across both sexes, will join in the edgy jokes and make our own to counter them. Tons of women become "one of the lads" even if we won't ever be accepted as exactly the same as the men, but I think it's easier because we're not pretending to be anything we're not. If you're constantly worrying about how people perceive you, you're not going to have the confidence or the wit to make and deliver jokes.

Spoiler: Minor PL

I work in tech and it's a fairly diverse workforce. There's a lot of women in the department, but I'm the only woman in my team. My colleagues make sexist jokes to me, I roll with it and make racist/homophobic/whatever jokes back to them, and we all get along fine. Everyone agrees not to dish it out if they can't take it, and whenever someone new joins, we all work out where the line is and when it's the right time and place. We don't do it when HR or customers are around, but we have fun amongst ourselves.

 

[Mellow Malevolent]

It's almost as if people have been conditioned to not live in an objective reality. Before he went insane, I'd listen to Jordan Peterson talk about all this postmodernist stuff, how they think. Find it interesting but whatever. Some professors on campus. Then at some point, it seems a whole bunch of society has been programmed to not observe reality in how they view the world.

What level of people knowingly take advantage of these not in reality thinking people. Versus they're all just delussional and believe it. I don't know.

The problem I always had with Peterson is that nothing he said doesn't also apply to a whole ton of religious thinking as well. Trusting a simplified model over observable reality, and rejecting reality when it fails to conform to the model, is more the standard than the exception in human thinking. Postmodernism is a creature that comes out of the ascension of the state and the technocratic expert class as the hegemonic cultural power, but, to me at least, the metapattern is the same. Whether its believing in meat legos or believing in witches and demons, the issue is the same. If your understanding of the world cannot fail, only be failed, then you aren't living in reality anymore.

That's what Troonism seems to me, a modern mutation of the religious mode of thinking, where knowledge is revelatory in nature and cannot be countered by observation. Instead you get apologetics, which is what all the output of Trans focused "academic work" is now, troon apologetics.

 

[Slideshow Bill]

Quick poll among cis men on yhe farms: Does your dick have he/him pronouns or it/its? Because I find it creepy that pooners call them he/him. Does it have a mind of its own? Or is it a body part?

No pronouns on the penis, no pronouns on the wenis.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Quick poll among cis men on yhe farms: Does your dick have he/him pronouns or it/its? Because I find it creepy that pooners call them he/him. Does it have a mind of its own? Or is it a body part?

sneed/feed/seed

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