AI Derangement Syndrome / Anti-AI artists / Pro-AI technocultists / AI "debate" communities - The Natural Retardation in the Artificial Intelligence communities

Doctor PooPoo Head said:
Honestly, if the artist backlash doesn't kill ai, the monitization will because of how hostile it is for causals who don't feel like setting up a content farm.

It's next to impossible to find a good ai service that just...works. And is free. They all require you to make an account, piss away 20 dollars a month, always have a retarded credit system so you always barely don't have enough to make your stupid meme. On top of that they often won't let you delete your account once you realize you got scammed. Lmao.

This WILL kill ai eventually because the casuals until it annoys them. No normie is going to spend more than 10 minutes trying to jump through hoops trying to make their memes before they give and either pay up or move on. Problem is that no one wants to spend 20 bucks pointlessly in this economy.
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ChatGPT generates images for free. Same with Gemini. There is no monetization barrier. There's not even an argument for "well, they aren't that good" because normies eat it the fuck up and AI generated images from both of these services are everywhere. They just want to see cats shoot RPGs in suburban neighborhoods or dogs use Hydro Pump on old people on their doorstep. TikTok especially is like 40% AI content now either with AI generated images piped through Veo 3 or Sora.
 
linchan said:
Why is this board so active recently.
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Probably the ad.
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Doctor PooPoo Head said:
It's next to impossible to find a good ai service that just...works. And is free. They all require you to make an account, piss away 20 dollars a month, always have a retarded credit system so you always barely don't have enough to make your stupid meme. On top of that they often won't let you delete your account once you realize you got scammed. Lmao.

This WILL kill ai eventually because the casuals until it annoys them. No normie is going to spend more than 10 minutes trying to jump through hoops trying to make their memes before they give and either pay up or move on. Problem is that no one wants to spend 20 bucks pointlessly in this economy.
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I'm sorry CivitAI hurt you, but most normies are making images with the free version of ChatGPT or Gemini Nano Banana. I don't know how long that will last because AI generation uses a lot of compute that someone has to pay for, but that's how it is for now.

I don't really see how normies not making memes for free "WILL kill ai eventually." There will always be a market for these tools. They're genuinely useful.
 
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Watching the topic of AI become politicised has been really interesting to me, it really shows how arbitrary these tribal distinctions are. Tumblr is a seething hotbed of AI-is-killing-Palestinian-children autism right now, but it’s really just a reaction to what they see as ‘the right’ staking their claim on it. Before that, there was this bot called nostalgebraist-autoresponder which became a total community darling. (This was 2023, too, so long after the site drifted into irrelevance, but I still always think Tumblr is worth evaluating as a cultural case study because everyone’s so mask-off all the time.) I collected some screenshots - you can see the bot’s extremely Tumblr and twee in its voice, impressively so imo. It has that clunky early-AI nonsensicality (which I find kinda charming, personally.) It was trained by one autist on his own messages and blog, so that explains the specificity. Still, the liveliness of its responses and turns of phrase is impressive compared to current corporate LLMs - maybe because most of it is nonsense, so the casually lucid parts jump out? and of course Tumblr thrives on that surreal-but-predictable, sickeningly cutesy sense of humour anyway. I remember not quite being able to believe it was real at the time. People waxed so fucking poetic about this bot and its capacity for radical empathy and poetry, because that was the climate of the time. Obviously nobody was thinking about the environmental damage or plagiarism because obviously nobody gives a fuck about those fake issues, they were just excuses used to fuel the reactionary anti-AI shift.

Another example - sorry if this has been posted before, it’s a classic to me - is the Buzzfeed article on Fat Nigga AI. You can see they’re already trying to incorporate the technology into their oppression-based framework, but haven’t figured it out yet, so the point of grievance (because there always has to be a point of grievance) is that AI’s training base makes them ‘white supremacist’ and unable to serve the whims I mean needs of African-American future-diabetes-complication-amputees. This ideological focus on the power of ‘representation’ as an expression of empowerment died out with the vibe shift, so the whole thing reads absurdly dated, like seeing dinosaurs before a vibe-shifting meteor

Also, I had a personal interest in AI-generated creative writing before LLMs took off as a concept at all - I’ve read a lot from the CCRU (Nick Land’s group), which have been a massive influence on the accelerationist schizos running Silicon Valley from the shadows/basement. It was always a messy subject led by social outcasts and the mentally ill, but there was a possibility intellectual clarity back then that a lot of people now would rule out immediately. Like, it was totally uncontroversial to link algorithm-driven content made with early AI to the techniques of Samuel Beckett, or William Burroughs, or to posit that letting the computer do the creating was itself a creative/meaningful/revolutionary act. Some of it seems naive now but I do miss that creativity, it was at least in good faith some of the time
 
BigGuyOS 6 : Jovial Janny said:
The modern digital artist is a gatekeeper who doesn't even know how to draw on pencil and paper, and has allowed digital assistants to attrophy their potential.
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I draw on paper, as a hobby - It's always been a little funny to me, but with modern software - you could create a pen\pencil sketch, scan it, and then move digital lines over the ones in the photo to translate the drawing to computer formats. Yet, I see most online artists torture themselves with trying to draw digitally right away, with stiluses - and then whining about how hard it is to draw on a tablet. Why not take advantage of the tech in full? Although the first part of my idea requires you to draw on paper well - so most online artists wouldn't even start.

Using a pencil and a stilus is night and day. I wouldn't rule it out if I was doing graphic design, but doing actual art on a tablet seems uncomfortable.

Here's one video about the concept I mentioned above, the artist does simpler work here, if we compare it to art in general - but it's still effective:
 
Let me toss my two cents into this mess, and with inflation the copper in the coin is worth more than the coins themselves:

Growing up the lefty faggots were always "machines can't do art, machines can't have souls, machines will never replace the human factors". Well here we are, not only automating it but replacing them and they arguably do a better job. They were smug with their "learn to code" when they attacked the coal industry but now they have been made completely irrelevant by ai, something their faggot dogma said would not happen. To fully rub salt in their wounds and eyes, the machines have trouble with hands and feet, something human artists struggle with. This has taken generations of smug lefty sci fi and proven it wrong, and to the Godless being proven wrong is the deadliest of sins.

For extra salt it also takes the whole pajeet caste system and proves it to be retarded shit. "Oh hey look at your highest caste, we have rendered them completely obsolete, now go do the needful before your shit query crashes the unix server". Fucking pajeets.

The leftist artists have been the most vocal and violent gatekeepers in the culture war. Creativity is NOT the left's strong point so they have actively sabotaged and destroyed anything that went against their dogma. Well we no longer need them, and they KNOW their days are numbered. In the past if you wanted to create an image for a D and D monster or character, and could not draw, you paid some smug faggot to do it and MAYBE they would finish it in a timely matter. Don't need them anymore. it's free and the AI does a better job.

the best part? The best part is that corporate America WON'T adopt it for multiple reasons: it costs money, it logs EVERYTHING, there are privacy concerns for the fintech and medtech industries. So the corporate support jobs like HR? automated, Coding, monitoring, incident response and other things? Just another tool the autists will have to work with.
 
For just images, sure. But god forbid you want to do anything slightly more complex.
Outland Cow said:
ChatGPT generates images for free. Same with Gemini. There is no monetization barrier. There's not even an argument for "well, they aren't that good" because normies eat it the fuck up and AI generated images from both of these services are everywhere. They just want to see cats shoot RPGs in suburban neighborhoods or dogs use Hydro Pump on old people on their doorstep. TikTok especially is like 40% AI content now either with AI generated images piped through Veo 3 or Sora.
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ToroidalBoat said:
How did being against generative AI become so widespread among the left anyway?
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It turns out, unlike expected, the tech revolution is not going to put all of those yucky blue collar low wage workers, who are all under default suspicion of being conservative, out of a job anytime soon. Which would have been a good, even great thing.
Instead, it will slightly devalue the work of "creative" lefty gatekeeper types -- those that draw furry porn commissions or write wordy articles about why X or Y is problematic now.
That's genocide. Literally.
 
mr. testicular torsion said:
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am i delusional
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Yes.

behindyourightnow said:
I don't look at a beautiful painting or enjoy a great album because I secretly want to make a painting or an album myself, it's because... I just like doing it, believe it or not.
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Excuse the politics, but you reminded me of how social justice warriors think of capitalism: they claim tha those who support capitalism are those who wan to be rich, themselves. Some people just wan to grill without being forced into boxes, ironically considering.
I feel tha th is not a coincidence... probably from both of them being stuck in a narrow view.

Sperghetti said:
And sometimes, that even works in reverse: You look at a nice painting and go “Wow, that’s really cool. Maybe I should try painting sometime.”
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That works here, too: The Apprentice is just one of those sources that others find inspiring.

Birthday Cat said:
if artists didn't fuckin nearly ALL go to drawing on ms paint or ms paint but 700 dollars, where every mistake is a undo key away, and instead kept all their imperfections in the foundation of the work like artists used to have to, a ai ripping off steven universe wouldn't copy an artist ripping off su
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I find this a bit of a reach, though I do admi that moving on from your current inability is an important point. Your art skills are still going to grow, hence being stuck trying to fix errors that you cannot fix will get you stuck. Besides, there is no reason these days wh you cannot just redo your old art. In fact, I a times ee artists redo their old art, since that shows their progress.
I also find ironic, since I have seen people do fabulous things in MS Paint:
Then again, that is the latest MS Paint with a lot of new tools.

BigGuyOS 6 : Jovial Janny said:
The modern digital artist is a gatekeeper who doesn't even know how to draw on pencil and paper, and has allowed digital assistants to attrophy their potential. This is why their AI protests ring so hollow—they're unwilling to adopt the natural end point of the ideology. Either digital tools are assistants that help produce art, or they are a shortcut that corrupts the production of art. Those who are most anti-AI art are those who are most reliant on digital programs—they are unprincipled and unwilling to abandon their digital programs for physical art because they don't actually think digital tools or AI prevent something from being art or that effort (which physical art requires much more of) is what makes something art. Neither are they willing to fully embrace the natural end point of their digital tool assistants which would involve using AI.
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I am reminded of Aaron Blaise's video here, where he talks about how technology can assist artists:

cannonarchy said:
Before that, there was this bot called nostalgebraist-autoresponder which became a total community darling.
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I literally had no idea that bot existed until now.

Tin Foil Hatter said:
the best part? The best part is that corporate America WON'T adopt it for multiple reasons: it costs money, it logs EVERYTHING, there are privacy concerns for the fintech and medtech industries. So the corporate support jobs like HR? automated, Coding, monitoring, incident response and other things? Just another tool the autists will have to work with.
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Maybe that is just me being surrounded by anti-AI fearmongering around this world, but I doub that would be the case. The up-front cost of AI is at face value cheaper than hiring workers even in places where worker's rights ar effectively a suggestion. They would not care about logging, either.

I can see that about medical technology, though, but what is 'fintech'?
 
cannonarchy said:
Another example - sorry if this has been posted before, it’s a classic to me - is the Buzzfeed article on Fat Nigga AI. You can see they’re already trying to incorporate the technology into their oppression-based framework, but haven’t figured it out yet, so the point of grievance (because there always has to be a point of grievance) is that AI’s training base makes them ‘white supremacist’ and unable to serve the whims I mean needs of African-American future-diabetes-complication-amputees. This ideological focus on the power of ‘representation’ as an expression of empowerment died out with the vibe shift, so the whole thing reads absurdly dated, like seeing dinosaurs before a vibe-shifting meteor
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Back in July 2022, OpenAI proudly announced (archive) a tweak to DALL-E 2 that would add words like "black" and "woman" to user prompts at random. The first release of Google Image generation AI in early 2024 was shitcanned after being roundly mocked (archive) for making images of vikings, Nazis and American founding fathers black and Chinese, probably through overzealous application of a similar technique. Clearly a substantial portion of OpenAI and Google's staff agreed with the Fat Nigga, at least back then.
cannonarchy said:
Like, it was totally uncontroversial to link algorithm-driven content made with early AI to the techniques of Samuel Beckett, or William Burroughs, or to posit that letting the computer do the creating was itself a creative/meaningful/revolutionary act.
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ProcJam (archive), a game jam for making procedurally generated games (for "people who like getting computers to make things"), very ironically forbids the use of generative AI. I'm certain this was an entirely political decision and not one that anyone would have predicted before 2022.
Doctor PooPoo Head said:
For just images, sure. But god forbid you want to do anything slightly more complex.
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Such as?
 
Maldavius Figtree said:
Instead, it will slightly devalue the work of "creative" lefty gatekeeper types -- those that draw furry porn commissions or write wordy articles about why X or Y is problematic now.
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All those articles are idential anyway so you could just have AI write them while everyone continues to ignore them.
 
There is so much emotional cope on one hand vs hype to drive up the stock prices on the other hand that it's hard to accurately gauge what the real impact will be on the job market. People who draw fucking pictures have way too much of an ego and take themselves too seriously so it's nice to see them get taken down a peg.
 
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