The Amazing Digital Circus - Western Isekai that probably will become Hazbin Hotel killer

Goose took some estrogen and calmed down
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Oh well he sperged on main but got a bunch of asspats on exchange so not bad for him I guess. Even other animators didn't miss the chance to circlejerk about how hard is to deal with fandoms despite the fact that many of them come from and still try to appeal to those types and they even get to use their favorite word to sound smart.

Man indie animation it's such a dud, the only thing it showed was that the shitty state of modern animation was a team work between retarded executives and their pussy drawslaves.
 
Oh well he sperged on main but got a bunch of asspats on exchange so not bad for him I guess. Even other animators didn't miss the chance to circlejerk about how hard is to deal with fandoms despite the fact that many of them come from and still try to appeal to those types and they even get to use their favorite word to sound smart.

Man indie animation it's such a dud, the only thing it showed was that the shitty state of modern animation was a team work between retarded executives and their pussy drawslaves.
I don't know why it's so hard for these attention whores to just follow Toby Fox's example. Don't interact with insane, hormonal teenagers, and you too might one day get to hang with Yoko Taro.
 
I mentioned this on Twitter but it’s sort of hard to feel bad for Gooseworx when she constantly acts like this irreverent shitposter or whatever. She literally has old tweets talking about how bad the fandom for the fucking show is before it even came out, she makes jokes about it in some of the advertisements for merchandise back when the first episode came out. Now I’m supposed to feel bad because this thing she keeps prodding at finally mentally broke her down a little bit and made her have some kind of mild depressive episode?

This isn’t even like a “media literacy” thing, this is just her very clearly having thin-skin and being part of the problem when it comes to fostering weird parasocial relationships with her fans. I think it’s a little dumb to look at people on Reddit disagreeing with her about who the main characters are and scream “ITS HER SHOW!” like creators can’t say retarded shit about their own properties. If that weren’t the case, no one would ever say anything bad about George Lucas or JK Rowling, but they do.

This isn’t even just her, though, it’s every millennial creator and artist of shit. Every VA, animator, game designer, whatever. The only three normal ones who know how to handle this stuff are Zach Hadel (who’s barely on Twitter anymore), Toby Fox (who just posts official updates and virtually never interacts with his fans) and Scott Cawthon who’s a Republican family man who had to excommunicate himself from the online sphere because his fans had a weird parasocial relationship with him over politics.

Like I can’t feel bad for these people if they’re just gonna continue to use sites like Twitter or BlueSky and rub elbows with people who don’t know them personally with this insincere vibe of everyone just wanting to come together to make cool shit and have fun. That’s not what you’re there to do, you’re there to feed your own ego. That’s what everyone uses social media for, myself included. And it’s sort of laughable to see people like Dana Terrace or Vivziepop try to lecture people about cruelty and peace when all their social media is them thinking about filling up gas chambers with Trump voters.

These people just need to go outside. I know that’s a meme but this type of prolonged exposure to social media and the culture it creates genuinely seems to only have a mostly negative effect on them. Or just create shit that only the chuds will ever like, that works too.


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So like, from episode 1-4 there is absolutely no pretense that Jax is the "main character", that is undeniably pomni alone. So these people are already wrong but even if we take the whole show into account, the idea that it's only jax+pomni is absurd. If you asked any of thsoe people 1 week ago who the protagonsits are they would all say it's jax, pomni and ragatha.

Ragatha is set up as a mirror to jax and they need each other to make sense. If TADC is a show about jax's gayass trauma and pomni "saving him", you could write out gangle, zooble or kinger but can't write out ragatha.
I always suspected that Jax was going to take a larger role since the very beginning, he's the stand out character of the entire cast just by being antagonistic and dickish towards everyone else, and its clear something is deeply wrong with him would become a source of major drama down the line, but what IS weird is how sudden the shift was from episode 5 onwards, it's as if Goose suddenly hyperfixated on him in the middle of writing, and everyone else's roles greatly diminished as side characters who are given lines here and there, with the exception of Pomni remaining the protag and Caine as the villain
I think goose simply fucked it up and made ragatha important by accident. If we look at her as a whole, ragatha never actually have any "arc" at all. Her wanting to be friends with pomni was not special because "thats just how she is" and her being mean to jax was so he (the real MC) can feel SAD.
Actually Ragatha DOES have an arc, it was just solved really quickly and anticlimactically, which seems to be an unfortunately common pattern, so, it starts in the pilot with her trying to ease Pomni in to her new home, just a little showcase of what her personality is, then the first signs of the problem crop up in episode 2 where she continues trying to buddy up to her, but Pomni soft-rejects her with how sudden it is, forming a much stronger bond with an NPC gone sentient over her, which tells you how much she screwed up, that is put on the back burner for 3 and 4, but starts heating up in 5, where she's getting frustrated with how little she can actually connect with her or frankly, anyone else barring Lucid! Kinger, which stings her so much more when it's now Jax who is doing a much more successful job becoming her new best friend, which continues into episode 6 as she starts breaking down how much she has failed herself with other people until Kinger gives her the cheer-up speech that pretty much resolves her arc from that point onwards, yes, it was easy, also her and Pomni finally sorted out their differences and became friends off-screen...

if you look at it from the bigger picture, this was actually a really good arc for her just until the end, way better than Zooble and Gangle, but the show doesn't really have that much time left and had to wrap it all up so fast, if Ragatha's arc was the main story, it would have been like the both the climax and resolution was condensed into a single scene.
But regardless of what i think there is no intelligent discussion to be had anymore. Goose thinks the fandom is retarded and ran after being criticized once so everyone simply calls the fandom toxic and media iliterate now. Even content creators are dogpiling on them.
I'm not even sure where I can find the more egregious backlash the wider fandom are crying about, the most I saw was some people in reddit critiquing the show's direction and some alleged death threats that I haven't seen evidence of?
 
I have zero respect for faggot Redditors who throw tantrums because someone following their creative vision won't compromise it to pander to their shit. Goose handled it badly by having a public mental health meltdown about it, but they're still in the right. I'd be a hypocrite if I said it wasn't okay to criticize media or be disappointed in it, but the emotionally manipulative, overly-dramatic pansy bullshit this Reddit faggot pulled is gay as fuck.

Like, what would Martin Scorsese do if some 500lbs blubberball Redditor waddled up to him and was like "Goodfellas focused way too much on Henry Hill! Fans of Jimmy, Tommy and Paulie were hurt and betrayed by your abusive and cruel decision to deprive them of the limelight in favor of Ray Lioata!" ?

Scorsese would whip out his dick, slap that fat piggy in the face with it, and call him a fag.

Scorsese also probably wouldn't be talking to riff raff on Leddit or Shitter either. Maybe that's part of the problem.

There is zero fucking excuse for Jax's dream sequence in E7 to be an entire minute and forty seconds, much less in 60fps. They could have easily cut that in half or even to a third and had the episode shipped out several weeks sooner.
Look at that jump in the progress bar to the end of the segment from how many people just skip past it.
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I don't think that was a waste of production time. Rather, I think it was a cheap trick to save it. The scene was probably easier to make than the rest of the episode so they got some extra runtime out of it.
 
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Don’t they know to never put water on a grease fire?
This is more like dropping a couple drizzles of piss on a trash can fire. It'll burn out eventually regardless of what they do but they sure can make it smell worse while its here.

I think this might be the first serious political thing Gooseworx has tweeted in years.

https://x.com/GooseworxMusic/status/2021903170168046072?s=20
It's really depressing that just a year ago I would have been rolling my eyes at this and scrolling past it and now I'm sitting here, looking like the dad from Coraline going "Agreed."
 
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So I did a little bit of investigating and someone on the Hazbin Hotel subreddit posted a screencap of the comments Goose was making on Reddit that made this all happen.

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I don’t know what else was posted in the OP she was replying in before she nuked her account. But like, if this is the extent of the harassment she faced then lmao what a little baby
 
It sounds like the standard case of an author writing with the audience. Rather than have a set script to follow, they constantly rewrite according to fan favourites and fan theories, with the result being the current mess we see today. Jax was never meant to be a main character, but him being a fan favourite since day 1 due to being "fun and quirky" made him a black hole of a character that ends up outstaying his welcome.

At least the final episodes would be a fun trainwreck. If all the characters commit suicide by the end to get out of the virtual world it would be amazing.
 
I just don't get how people look at a fucking internet cartoon made by newgrounds type people that's content is primarily shit like this
and then go on a massive tirade about how deep and scary and sad it is and how [THEORY OF THE WEEK IS EVERYONE DEAD OR AN AI GHOST OR ARE THEY CLONES? WAS NOTHIGNG REALS?]

redditors man... twxirttersrs....


Also i am going to state the obvious most INTENSE ONE TRUE THEORY theory here that Jax's true identity is in fact RED HERRING SCOOBY DOO
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THAT"S WHERE HE'S BEEN THE WHOLE TIME HE'S BEEN IN THE VR POD IT'S JUST COOCY DOOBER

NO I STILL HAVE NOT YET WATCHED THIS SHIT IN FULL FUCK YOU I KNOW WHAT I SEE CHAT


This isn’t even just her, though, it’s every millennial creator and artist of shit.
it's almost like the people that had money and connctions to california in some manner all end up coming out like this and everyone not like that gets walled off and blacklisted! HMMM!
 
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So I did a little bit of investigating and someone on the Hazbin Hotel subreddit posted a screencap of the comments Goose was making on Reddit that made this all happen.

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I don’t know what else was posted in the OP she was replying in before she nuked her account. But like, if this is the extent of the harassment she faced then lmao what a little baby

For anyone confused, here’s a transcript with labels.​

Basically, Gooseworx / Cooper (henceforth “Gooper”) responded to this incredibly long Reddit post.
So recently Gooseworx talked about fans being upset at her for focusing on “the two main characters” (Pomni and Jax) and while she is saying to hold faith in the last two episodes, I want to explain an issue I’ve noticed.

Pilots have a basic function: To establish the premise of the show, its focus cast and protagonists, what you need to expect.

The pilot starts off with focus on Pomni and her deuteragonists Ragatha and Jax. We definitely get some of the other side characters, but it’s mainly these two obvious foils, the nice one and the mean one, accompanying our main character.

I wasn’t expecting Gangle, Zooble, or Kinger to have the same amount of focus; They’re obviously more set dressing in the pilot so I was pleasantly surprised when Gangle got a whole focus episode to herself, when Zooble and Kinger had to share one together prior. Likewise, I learned what Gooseworx said about each cast member getting a focus episode.

So the issue is not about Jax getting more importance; It’s that Ragatha is billed as a deuteragonist and then gets shelved. I get that sometimes shows will introduce a new protagonist to the cast, but that doesn’t justify shelving one we already have without even a proper sendoff.

Ragatha’s been having this storyline going on since episode 2 (arguably the pilot), where she really wants to be Pomni’s friend but Pomni brushes her off. Then in episode 3 Pomni’s whole journey with Kinger culminates in a lesson that she applies to Ragatha, admitting she’s been taking her for granted and should be paying attention to her more. Then in episode 4 Pomni forgets this to once again ignore Ragatha and we begin to see Ragatha express frustration when inebriated about this, as Pomni realizes she’s making this mistake once more in a poignant moment in which she lets Gummigoo go (There’s also a moment in which Pomni and Gangle discuss Ragatha’s character and how there’s more to her than meets the eye).

And then Pomni does her mistake of overlooking Ragatha for some guy again in episode 5 and Ragatha is frustrated by this to the point of actually being open about it and Pomni is clearly not equipped to handle this other side to the demure Ragatha she expected. Finally in episode 6, Ragatha comes to terms with her insecurity over her relationship with Pomni, as Pomni meets up with her and they awkwardly agree to discuss their baggage and resolve their tension together.

…And then episode 7 comes out and reveals this occurred offscreen and there’s not even any lingering tension after the fact, Pomni and Ragatha are just chill like nothing happened and the episode isn’t even about their relationship, they’re mostly in the same room and worrying about Caine and the exit as the episode also focuses on Jax too.

This is a storyline between the main protagonist and a deuteragonist that’s been set up and played out for 2/3 of the show’s run just to have an offscreen resolution as Gooseworx casually leaves out Ragatha as a main character to say it’s just Pomni and Jax.

I think people have the right to criticize and be a little upset! Introducing/elevating a new protagonist is not an excuse to not follow through on a recurring storyline Gooseworx chose to set up within the story itself, it’s just bad writing. It doesn’t help that for nearly the first half of the show’s run, Jax is a pretty static and shallow character; He’s presented as a comic relief asshole without any depth or growth while other characters have their focus. So him gaining a lot of focus beginning in episode 5 feels a bit out of nowhere, but that in and of itself is not an issue.

It IS an issue when it interrupts this setup for a dynamic between Pomni and Ragatha to suddenly be about Pomni and Jax. And it doesn’t even make a lot of sense either, because Pomni is supposed to be a compassionate person who cares about Ragatha and Gangle, so her overlooking Jax’s prior and especially current torment of them right in front of her to focus on him after already learning her lesson about neglecting Ragatha for some other guy feels a little nonsensical.

This could’ve worked if the show took the moment to explore Pomni’s rationale and justification for this; Like maybe she thinks getting Jax to stop his harm in the long-term justifies overlooking what’s happening right now. Or Pomni wants to know the secret of someone who’s seemingly unbothered and has a selfish but poignant attempt at it (There is no secret he’s not unbothered).

But the show never touches up on this and it doesn’t even let Pomni explain herself to Ragatha or even talk with her at all. I could understand if Ragatha was meant to embody the first half of the show and Jax the second, but the issue is that we don’t even get a proper resolution for the first half’s arc and I’ve seen Jax fans even criticize the acid trip sequence in episode 7 for taking up screen time that told us nothing we didn’t already know/wouldn’t learn that could’ve been delegated to resolving the tension between our main character and a deuteragonist.

It doesn’t help that we don’t really get to know much about Pomni this far in. She’s the main character but we don’t know much about her other than her job back IRL and her general compassionate personality. But otherwise the show is about Pomni exploring and setting up other characters’ baggage and exploring them with Pomni as the audience’s lens in this cast. This applies to her dynamic with Jax where it’s more about exploring Jax than Pomni, hence my frustration about the show not exploring Pomni’s rationale for befriending him at the expense of two people she was supposed to care about.

So it’s not even Pomni and Jax, it just feels like Jax at this point. I know we still have two episodes left but with how Pomni and Ragatha’s storyline that’s been going on for 2/3 of the show’s run can’t even be concluded properly and is effectively handwaved. Of course people are upset. It’s not even a question of what the established premise was, it’s just frustrating to string us along for this long and not actually follow through.

And it makes the show feel insincere about its premise, promising it’s about a main character and her two deuteragonists just to be about one of them specifically. It can’t commit to its pilot’s setup or even the setup of an ongoing storyline. Likewise, as someone else in the same clip where Goose states this points out, Jax being treated as just another cast member for a solid third of the show just to receive a huge amount of focus out of nowhere was kinda abrupt and didn’t do any favors in conveying the supposedly obvious point that Pomni and Jax are the main characters.

Gooseworx, a lot of people aren’t upset about Pomni and Jax being main characters. They’re upset because your writing set up Ragatha as a deuteragonist as you drummed up this whole storyline with her and Pomni, just to say Ragatha isn’t a main character to justify not giving her and Pomni a meaningful conclusion that’s proportionate to the amount of time we’ve dedicated to it. Compared to Jax getting a whole freak out in episode 6, the second episode of his storyline with Pomni.

Between the pilot and a recurring storyline setting up Ragatha, Gangle getting a whole focus episode as her arc continues afterwards while Gooseworx goes out of her way to explain that each character gets a focus episode, and I feel it’s a bit disingenuous to just mindlessly write off any media criticism as just “bad media literacy” and just because the creator says something is so, doesn’t mean we can’t criticize it.
Gooper said:
Do people really think Ragatha's not gonna get any development in the final two episodes?
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OP said:
Gooseworx putting a pivotal conclusion to an ongoing storyline between our main character and someone who was initially presented as a deuteragonist OFFSCREEN is unsatisfying and even if the next two episodes backpedal, it’ll still be abrupt and jarring to the pacing of that storyline. And if Ragatha gets any development outside of that tension with Pomni it would still be a poor way to resolve it. The fact that Goose has dismissed Ragatha as a main character at all plays into this. Please read my entire post next time if this if your only takeaway.
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Why was Ragatha pushed aside for so long? In the first episode, it felt like Pomni needed to say something to Ragatha, and it was just left hanging. After Episode 5 and 6, Pomni and Ragatha obviously needed to talk to one another, then in episode 7 we just see them playing on the beach? It's like they skipped what could have been a good moment between the two just for more Jax freakout scenes.

There is obvious imbalance and Gooseworx seems to have bias towards Jax which is just straight up bad writing, especially her handling with Ragatha.

Edit: Oh wow, just realized this [post] was [made by] her [male]. I am disappointed. What a terrible response even worse than mine.
Yeah [referring to the OP’s response to Gooper], the structure of the story felt wack. I'm going to be honest, sort of disappointed that the relationship between Jax and Pomni was central to the story. It's such a common trope of people not wanting to change. There were so many scenes focused on Jax that it began to feel excessive. He constantly pushes boundaries, blackmail, abuses Gangle, yet the other characters seem to tolerate or deep down care for him? With such a diverse cast, it's strange how everyone kind of likes him, is there even real tension?
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I'm pretty sure the only reason they tolerate him is because they fear losing another member of the group and becoming more isolated as well as not wanting to be responsible for someone abstracting.

And that's the cruel thing. They can't even be properly mad with Jax because the rules of the circus force them to tolerate him and l imagine it's part of the reason Jax pushed the red button; Because he knows that IRL, there would be nothing forcing the others to stick with him because they can just leave and find other friends.

And mayyyybe he wouldn't have to worry about being left alone in the real world if he wasn't a douchebag to them in the circus, Jax was afraid of facing consequences for his shitty actions after reveling for so long in the thought that he was immune to them. He chose to trap everyone with him rather than be left in the real world where he'd have to change his behavior to find friends.

And 1 really need to see the characters finally snap and set a clear boundary with Jax for this: Either he changes or they excommunicate him from the group and allow whatever happens. Let him know he can't escape consequences by escaping the real world.
Thread here and archive link here. The archive link does not show Gooper’s post, but it does include yet another Redditor screeching at the OP.
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I feel like someone in the fandom must have archived Gooper’s account profile (Goopswax?).
 
So I did a little bit of investigating and someone on the Hazbin Hotel subreddit posted a screencap of the comments Goose was making on Reddit that made this all happen.

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Saying that it's going to be unsatisfying if the show course corrects is probably not a productive attitude to take. Yeah it'll suck that this kind of stuff happened, but just telling the creator to their face that nothing the show does can make up for the mistakes they've already made? Kinda fucked up.
 
Here’s coopers old da, before he troon’d out he was into tftg shit

Also:
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what the hell is tftg supposed to mean
Very briefly.
TF - Transformation. Usually content about turning into other things (e.g. a normal human being to a furry character or one from a cartoon), with various modifiers added.
TG - Technically 'Transgender' but more accurately 'Gender Change' (99% of the time, a male into a female, with the remaining 1% being usually a both-ways swap that focuses on the man into a woman).

Expect random guys of all stripes getting transformed into (nearly always conventionally attractive) girls, depending on the author's hangups and surrounding fetishes. As you may not be surprised to learn, the people who use these tag are either ashamed fetishists who keep that shit detached from all other accounts, or fetishists who've managed to sell the idea that they're transgender despite being almost comically unsubtle that they're gooning off to the idea more than it being a matter of dysphoria.

If you want more, go check out the furaffinity or deviantart threads.

Saying that it's going to be unsatisfying if the show course corrects is probably not a productive attitude to take. Yeah it'll suck that this kind of stuff happened, but just telling the creator to their face that nothing the show does can make up for the mistakes they've already made? Kinda fucked up.
Seems like a few people didn't realise that Goopswax was actually gooseworx, and not random snarky redditor talking out their ass number oh god don't make me count that. Doesn't help that it's exactly the sort of needlessly antagonistic response you'd expect from someone that doesn't have a good argument to make. .
 
The archive link does not show Gooper’s post, but it does include yet another Redditor screeching at the OP.

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>Erm, are you proud of yourself man?
Holy shit what an absolute faggot. Acting like they were spamming kill yourself to goose when they were giving him genuine criticism for mishandling the characters/story threads. Fucking cult of toxic-positivity.
 
Fucking cult of toxic-positivity.
That's the best way to describe the indie animation industry or really anything that gets its start online.
People are so obsessed with trying to stick it to the man (not like Hollywood execs don't deserve it) that they refuse to allow any criticism of a creator who's "finally no longer held back by the studio system."
I wonder how long until we get a Heaven's Gate scenario where one of these projects goes so over budget and flops so horrendously that it basically kills the New Hollywood wave for a while.
 
>You know, Goose never actually said they were being harassed. People just assumed that because of how overblown this got.
>SHUT THE FUCK UP BIGOT SHE'S A STRONG TRANS WOMAN SHE'S LITERALLY BEING HARASSED BY REALITY EVERY SECOND OF EVERY DAY

Words cannot describe how much I loathe these people.
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