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TL:DW : Linus goes with PopOS again, and it keeps breaking
I genuinely wonder if he's refusing to try Mint because then he could no longer make videos searching for the perfect beginner OS, or if he's genuinely stuck in an echo chamber that prevents him from considering it. I'm not aware of a single game that runs on Wayland without the use of xwayland - which for the people in the back is the full stack of Xorg in a trench coat.
 
TL:DW : Linus goes with PopOS again, and it keeps breaking.
I have now watched this in full. The only breakages that I would consider as OS bugs in this part are the unexplainable sound and mouse issues. Former fixed itself for some reason, latter might be a 50/50 between Steam Input and Wayland (I'm assuming PopOS comes with that as the default). L4D2 being buggy and Steam duplicating its windows as well as completely blacking them out is the issue of Valve being unable to build a functioning user interface or maintain their abandoned toys even if you held a loaded shotgun up to Gaben's ballsack.

Honestly, with a prompt that retarded- literally calculated to make a suggestion primarily based off previous years LTT videos- I'm surprised it didn't recommend Bazzite as the best possible beginner distro.
Reddit recommended that for his co-host, naturally.
 
This is either specifically a Cosmic issue or a wider Wayland issue. Either way, there's no good reason for Valve to waste any money on it.
There's no good reason to waste money on good software in general if the niggercattle are going to eat it up regardless. You can't exactly take the thousands of dollars spent on games somewhere else. Outside of Cosmic and Wayland, this issue that happens if you simply switch off the Steam Overlay from 2024 is still present with only some partial fixes applied to anything Vulkan, complete radio silence on the rest. At random times throughout last year, Steam kept losing right-click functionality so I had to navigate its webshit menus via keyboard and Ctrl+M2 on panels. It also likes to kill my status bar, but only sometimes. All on a stable combination of X11+Openbox/tint2, components that haven't seen change in a decade or more. Having used small, abandonware GUI programs quickly written by a single guy and played old games that weren't very stable even at the time of their release, Steam and Valve games are still pretty much exclusive members of the "Linux programs that I have a burning hatred of" list - just from personal experiences of interacting with them.
 
Watching the entire internet freak out about the age stuff is weird. We'll find a way, we always do.
 
Watching the entire internet freak out about the age stuff is weird. We'll find a way, we always do.
whether or not there are ways around it doesn't matter as much as the fact this kind of thing is beginning to happen across the world. At least for me being able to circumvent it doesn't make this any better. Especially not because it will get worse in the future, at least as of now I don't see any reason to expect it won't unless normies suddenly give a fuck about this kind of thing it will continue to creep down this path. But again, even if whatever the next step of enshittification is is also something people can get around, I will still have a problem with it. Because it will be yet another thing made worse by the people we have elected to run our government, that didn't have to happen,
 
The new Linus Tech Tips Linux Challenge video dropped.

TL:DW : Linus goes with PopOS again, and it keeps breaking.

At 7:05, he even has a section pointing out, once again, why he doesn't just use his industry contacts to get the optimum experience out of the gate. He asks Google and ChatGPT, and gets PopOS recommended by both.
what im finding out now that im using brave's search engine ai to answer simple questions is a lot of information is severely outdated because its like snake eating tail
>reddit posts information 6 years ago
>ai scans through top results picks up that information
>ai writes article using ai as a source
so popOS was probably recommended years ago and hes finding it now because the ai is repeating outdated information
i am glad luke and thing 3 are not going the linus route and using what they think is the best solution. otherwise this would be a complete write-off.
 
Honestly, with a prompt that retarded- literally calculated to make a suggestion primarily based off previous years LTT videos- I'm surprised it didn't recommend Bazzite as the best possible beginner distro.
Typing his prompt into Grok it gives Bazzite-Nobara-Pop-Chimera-Garuda, typing a shorter prompt that doesn't explicitly mention vidya returns Mint-Zorin-Ubuntu-Pop
 
At random times throughout last year, Steam kept losing right-click functionality so I had to navigate its webshit menus via keyboard and Ctrl+M2 on panels. It also likes to kill my status bar, but only sometimes. All on a stable combination of X11+Openbox/tint2
>uses window manager that hasnt had a update in 11 years
>suprised its the only window manager that has the bug


Steam > Settings > Enable context menu focus compatibility mode.

I have no words for how retarded of a decision it was to switch to Wayland compositor by default, because muh memory safety Rust retards at the company

The issue isn't wayland, its the fact they released a freshly out of alpha desktop environment into a stable release. Things wouldn't be the same if they just updated pop-shell to a more modern gnome version.
 
The issue isn't wayland, its the fact they released a freshly out of alpha desktop environment into a stable release. Things wouldn't be the same if they just updated pop-shell to a more modern gnome version.
Wayland is definitely the cause of all of that. If you're a DE developer then when using X11 all you need to do is run everything off Xorg (or Xlibre, and eventually maybe even Phoenix), but on wayland you now need to do all the low level communications with drivers and such yourself. And you can't even fork someone else's project half the time because there's such deep intergration with a specific DE that it's almost less work to start from scratch.

Like imagine you're a web app developer, just throwing together some javascript and bits together and running it on Electron or something. Wayland would be like people coming in and demanding you to use a new specification which is incompatible with chromium or firefox, so now instead of vibe coding a couple files you now have to write an entire rendering engine from scratch. For many DE developers that is way out of the scope of their original skillset and level of work.
 
Needing to reimplement everything from scratch instead of being able to just rely on X to do all the heavy lifting obviously is going to create lot of bugs, incompatibilities and shit ton of wasted work. The whole protocol approach of Wayland is just retarded not just because it is ran by morons who in 17 years made something that not only isn't better feature wise than X but is active regression from it, but also because there is no the Wayland compositor from which you can borrow code and target to be sure that your program works(no Weston doesn't count).
 
I kinda like the Wayland approach, at least philosophically. Being able to configure and carve out your own* compositor and niche out of this glorified instruction set. In practice it causes more trouble than its worth, but still, I like it (in theory). Might be a fixation at this point. Guix and Wayland and Quickshell, oh my!
 
Wendel from Level1Techs helped GamerNexus set up Bazzite for their Linux benchmarking, and unlike most tech youtubers Wendel actually knows what he's doing. If it was truly an awful choice for a Linux newbie, he probably would have pushed harder for his personal favourite (Fedora) or an established just works distro (Mint).
As he explains at 7:05. He knows he could easily do this, but the average user isn't going to have that kind of expertise on call like Linus and co, do.
I genuinely wonder if he's refusing to try Mint because then he could no longer make videos searching for the perfect beginner OS, or if he's genuinely stuck in an echo chamber that prevents him from considering it.
It's because he's outside of the echo chamber. If you're not immersed in Linux 24/7, this is the typical user experience. Ask for where to start, get a bunch of answers, follow the advice of one and get 5x the amount of people shouting at you that you made the wrong choice. Only to then turn around a week later and say that rabid Linux autists never shout at newbies.

i am glad luke and thing 3 are not going the linus route
It's funny that comments all love Luke. He chose the "right" distros (mint, arch, and cachy), he has the "right" attitude (even though he mentions how he was yelled at for choosing mint in the previous challenge). But they still have an issue with him choosing grub during install.

you have to work hard to install any prominent distribution and have it not work out of the box.
Which is why they show, repeatedly, that he's not doing anything stupid or outlandish.

Install OS, install Steam, install Discord. Sound issue that fixes itself once he opens a YouTube video.
Install Left 4 Dead 2. Launch Left 4 Dead 2. Hard crash.
Install Helldivers 2. Launch Helldivers 2. Mouse and keyboard stop working.
All the while Steam keeps opening weird black windows.

He wasn't putting in obscure terminal commands and fiddling with settings he shouldn't. He was just using the distro he was recommended online, in a way that seems fairly normal.

I already mentioned the excuse from comments and react videos is that he got PopOS at a bad time, and if he just waits a while (ranging from years to months) all of these issues would be gone, as if that's an acceptable answer.
 
>uses window manager that hasnt had a update in 11 years
>suprised its the only window manager that has the bug


Steam > Settings > Enable context menu focus compatibility mode.
X server specification hasn't changed either. Besides which, it kept randomly fixing itself without messing with any settings. Steam on DWM was even funnier back when I tried it, with the main window jumping across the screen the first time you grab it with a mouse and slowly drifting afterwards if you didn't apply a Steam specific patch. Considering that Steam is the only major Linux GUI application doing this weird shit, Valve sucking at anything that isn't coding game graphics is a simpler explanation.
 
It's funny that comments all love Luke. He chose the "right" distros (mint, arch, and cachy), he has the "right" attitude (even though he mentions how he was yelled at for choosing mint in the previous challenge). But they still have an issue with him choosing grub during install.
Yea it's funny when you're not autistic retard and don't bounce around like a mongoloid and comprehend and understand what you're doing. I wonder why people like Luke more.
There will always be people shouting at you, that you made wrong choice, this happens with anything.
 
He knows he could easily do this, but the average user isn't going to have that kind of expertise on call like Linus and co, do.

This was so difficult to find i almost shit myself in terror. I even had to go to youtube and type in "install bazzite"... THE HORROR!!!

I already mentioned the excuse from comments and react videos is that he got PopOS at a bad time, and if he just waits a while (ranging from years to months) all of these issues would be gone, as if that's an acceptable answer.
No one recommends PopOS anymore outside AI slop articles taking information from 6 years ago.

Install OS, install Steam, install Discord. Sound issue that fixes itself once he opens a YouTube video.
Install Left 4 Dead 2. Launch Left 4 Dead 2. Hard crash.
Install Helldivers 2. Launch Helldivers 2. Mouse and keyboard stop working.
All the while Steam keeps opening weird black windows.
His audio config was wrong, and was set to spdif/digital output for no reason, not sure of this was his doing or PopOS, its a 50/50. Opening a youtube video probably crashed his audio and it restarted and/or it correctly moved back to analog audio.
This is on Valve to fix.
This is a PopOS only issue
This is a PopOS only issue

Considering that Steam is the only major Linux GUI application doing this weird shit, Valve sucking at anything that isn't coding game graphics is a simpler explanation.
Or its just that they dont fix things that aren't broken for 99% of people because some autist wants to run a TWM from the 90s.
 
Or its just that they dont fix things that aren't broken for 99% of people because some autist wants to run a TWM from the 90s.
This is on Valve to fix.
Sorry to disappoint, but Valve don't fix that either. If it doesn't impact financial operations and transactions, good luck waiting for that patch. Not very optimistic on SteamOS for this reason as well.

I'll also have you know that Openbox and dwm are akshully from the 00s, not the 90s :smug:
 
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