Wendigoon Thread

[FILTH Tourist]

When you commotion an artist to make you something you recognize that THEY are the ones who made it, you can't claim to be the one who made it, you told someone what you wanted and they used their style to create it. You did nothing. Ai "artists" claim they made the thing that the programs did all the time because they typed in the prompts, but they didn't. They told a program what they wanted and it gave them an image/video based on that. No technique no learning or development of skills. No learning to Prompt better is hardly a skill.

Can a photographer make art then? All they did was press a button on a machine. Anyone can point a camera at something and do that.

 

[eDove]

In recent memory, he was making posts looking to hire a script writer, and I knew that instant his channel was going to go downhill (at least for me). He's very transparent about his script reading when he's on camera, but it's not his voice anymore, and the quips/jokes are constant. It's so unnatural and annoying. I like his unfiltered commentary, the boyish passion for these topics. It doesn't feel as authentic anymore.

I've told friends years ago that, while I love Wendigoon, I felt like he was going to fall off really hard and not adapt to YouTube fame well, that he'd go as corporate, produced, and lame as all the others.

They disagreed with me vehemently, though I feel like we're still headed in that direction.

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

People like AI art because of the novelty of it and because it's so easy. But if we take it seriously as a tool for all major aspects of art then it falls apart very quickly.

TLDR: Learning is not a straight line.

How does it fall apart quickly? If I have a hammer and a set of nails, I can hammer a nail into a wall; it'll be crooked as shit and the shaft will have stress fatigue fractures in it but it'll still serve its purpose but look ugly. After several hundred nails, I can drive the nail home in a single swing. My point is, AI isn't the part that falls apart when faced with human ignorance but the process of going from ignorant to knowledgeable on a subject is messy and error prone.

I would gladly hire someone who is proficient in Algorithmic technologies if it means I don't have to pay 700 employees whose job is to come in, design a leaf, and leave then come back and do it all over again when one person proficient with the tool can automate an entire process to get a game 95% of the way there. That is why I encourage anyone with a CS Degree to embrace AI as, for the most part, you did the hard part already.

You understand how to organize your code, create flows of logic, etc. better than I do. Thus, you're at an advantage compared to Script Kiddy Vibe Coders. When you swing the hammer, that nail is less like to bend or snap (or your contribution to a GitHub project won't look amateurish and messy) because you understand the fundamentals of the whole.

I don't mind it if, for example you use AI to program a lighting system for your 3d animated film, or in the case of late night with the devil as a small background element, but to say that real powerful works of art can be made with so little human involvement is crazy to me.

TLDR: What good is a lighting system if I don't understand how light works in reality.

I meme on Jackson Pollock because most Art people take him too seriously while forgetting the genre of the splatter paintings is called Abstract Expressionism. Pollock wanted to capture "energy" through a painting and it was Expressed through Abstraction in each of their paint drips, flings, throws, etc. It's an idea that has gone visual. What are image prompts if not ideas?

As an artist, our job is to best create or capture the clearest interpretation of an idea. That is why in the corporate world there are positions called Art Directors. They are the ones that matter as far as character design choices, environments, etc. As an art director, I don't care of the hows and technical shit behind a game. If it is made by AI, Good, if it is made by human, Good as long as it contributes to the whole aka a fantastic product and in line with my Art Direction.

There is a lot of ego in the creative fields of corporate art, I'm here to say, you don't really matter as much as you think you do.

Ai "artists" claim they made the thing that the programs did all the time because they typed in the prompts, but they didn't. They told a program what they wanted and it gave them an image/video based on that.

No, I don't. I told the program to make AI generated assets and then used my skills in commercial art and photography to photo bash and create a new image using AI assets. I miss old midjourney before everything became hyper realistic, commercial, and sterile.

These are Raw AI Outputs shaped by human selection and composition to capture a specific energy or idea. Like Abstract Expressionism.

 

[Edgeymcedgename]

Can a photographer make art then? All they did was press a button on a machine. Anyone can point a camera at something and do that.

You point the camera at something in real life, you have absolute control over when and where you take the picture and of what. Your not asking the camera to create an image based off a description, it's not the same bud.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

You point the camera at something in real life, you have absolute control over when and where you take the picture and of what.

So the guy who took this photo:



Had absolute control of everything? He planned the assassination, Trumps reaction and even intentionally found an angle with the American Flag in the background? "One sec Mr. Trump, hold that pose while I find the perfect shot". You are aware a lot of professional photographers have cameras that take photos in bursts and they just sort hundreds if not thousands of photos later picking out the best ones which could literally just be one or two images because they do not have absolute control over their subjects and environment. I would imagine your average AI prompter has more control over their creation then your average photographer, especially when you get into custom comfyUI workflows that grant even more control over your creation.

In recent memory, he was making posts looking to hire a script writer, and I knew that instant his channel was going to go downhill (at least for me). He's very transparent about his script reading when he's on camera, but it's not his voice anymore, and the quips/jokes are constant. It's so unnatural and annoying. I like his unfiltered commentary, the boyish passion for these topics. It doesn't feel as authentic anymore.

I've told friends years ago that, while I love Wendigoon, I felt like he was going to fall off really hard and not adapt to YouTube fame well, that he'd go as corporate, produced, and lame as all the others.

They disagreed with me vehemently, though I feel like we're still headed in that direction.

It's not just his own fame, he really started to get a big head when Kain Pixels got a movie deal. Suddenly a small town southern boy was friends with actual movie directors, big time youtubers, and up and coming creators that they all like and look up to him as a taste maker and curator. Allow me to armchair psychologist for a sec, I have a hunch he might have a case of imposer syndrome being a slub with a mic that got blessed by the algorithm and his shift to Wendigoon LLC. is his way of making himself feel like he is legit. He has a company, employees, he is making a studio, he is touring, networking, he is doing everything he can to make himself seem more than he actually is because that is what big and successful people do. I miss the schizo sunday school teacher with a whiteboard.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

When you commotion an artist to make you something you recognize that THEY are the ones who made it, you can't claim to be the one who made it, you told someone what you wanted and they used their style to create it. You did nothing. Ai "artists" claim they made the thing that the programs did all the time because they typed in the prompts, but they didn't. They told a program what they wanted and it gave them an image/video based on that. No technique no learning or development of skills. No learning to Prompt better is hardly a skill.

So any art that was created using a PC program rather than traditional pen and paper is not really "made" by the same artist since they didn't code a single line but rather told the PC to color pixels in a certain way (especially when non direct functions are used). Or does that doesn't count?

Also the "No technique no learning or development of skills" is absolute bullshit, there is an orders of magnitude of difference between an output of AI if the user knows what works and what doesn't and how to phrase his prompt. Trying to portray it as zero work is completely disingenuous.

 

[DagothUr]

I finished the video. It's actually absurd how MATI he gets, to the point where he's including comment screenshots, with the usernames visible, so he can smugly "dunk" on them.
I found it especially homosexual when he started banging on about how it was stealing to include some audio clips and shit from other places, like nigger did you forget what the mandella catalog is, or even the kane pixels backrooms video?

Analog horror in general is the most derivative slop, with people competing to copy each other in the most obvious ways. How is it possible to justify chimping about AI for "copying other peoples work" when you also are analog horrors #1 shill?

Anyway, he thinks its bad because muh AI when it's actually bad because its literal engagement-bait slop with zero effort. In fact, if it weren't for the AI controversy literally nobody would know what this is.

Also it's absolutely cope for people to say that real art is inherently better because "it has soul" and shit. Utterly meaningless statement. It is the same type of argument that abstract art faggots use to say that paint splattered randomly on a canvas is the same as Michelangelo's David. You know it's BS because people are fooled by AI constantly. They just cherrypick the lowest quality gens.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

He doesn't have his own opinions. Dude liked Happy Meat Farms when he watched that on a live stream a few years ago even though it heavily uses AI images for the mutated animals, but now that AI art is in the mainstream discussion, his circle of online "friends" hate it, so he hates it. I guarantee you, if he didn't know it was AI he would like it.

He addressed that when he talked about the AI in greylock, he acknowledged that it wasn't a big deal to him at the time but when the AI autism hit its boiling point then it became fucky to him, not justifying it, but he did acknowledge that change in opinion. I can see why, I am mostly ambivalent to people doing AI art but there are retarded cabals of prompters who are extremely cutthroat and destructive everytime people find THEIR specific secret sauce to prompt or some shit, its almost as retarded as artist drama

So any art that was created using a PC program rather than traditional pen and paper is not really "made" by the same artist since they didn't code a single line but rather told the PC to color pixels in a certain way (especially when non direct functions are used). Or does that doesn't count?

Also the "No technique no learning or development of skills" is absolute bullshit, there is an orders of magnitude of difference between an output of AI if the user knows what works and what doesn't and how to phrase his prompt. Trying to portray it as zero work is completely disingenuous.

Digital art is different to prompting because you actually have to engage with how an image is composed to make it appealing, you have to have a basic knowledge of how art works to coax the program into putting your image on the shitty digital canvas. Prompting doesn't really involve anything and its cope to call it even programming. Its just words, paramaters, and waiting to get a desired result on what you typed in. With commissioned art, outside of say, the Japs with systems like SKEB. You can communicate with the artist, request revisions, hand them sketches or more designed outlines. You can do some of these with AI, but it will be up to how fine tuned it is to remember the previous steps and how consistent it is in interpreting everything. Which, if you saw the series, the consistency in designs was some of the more jarring aspects that were clearly not intended or worked around by the writer.
Wendigoon's seethe is overdone, but he does constantly bring up why the prompt based AI Art ended up being detrimental to the series, designs are inconsistent, some arcs are animated with existing anime artstyles that don't pop up again. And pieces of the writer's retarded vision are unclear they're supposed to not be. And not in a way that brings up any retarded speculation, its just vauge in a stilted manner. Its not working for what the series wanted to do. And it does make its message fall apart because the writer didn't even work around it.

I found it especially homosexual when he started banging on about how it was stealing to include some audio clips and shit from other places, like nigger did you forget what the mandella catalog is, or even the kane pixels backrooms video?

Because it didn't really do any favours to the presentation. The author used random bits of lavander town and it made it look like a 2 bit creepy pasta. When it had some decent ideas that were later elaborated upon, which Wendi praises, especially the game. Same with the squirrel stapler audio. He even brings up how the author cashing into a trend using existing audio diminishes the story and makes it inconsistent and clashing with its themes
Again, you can tell he loves the concept, and regardless of its his tism for mediocre analog horror slop/religion or not. What is done here is pretty competent and well done when it has a clear vision. But when it doesn't it just makes the story pretty retarded. When you do have some silvers of competency shown before

 

[Edgeymcedgename]

I don't want fill a wendigoon thread with a bunch of AI arguments for and against, so I'll just say this.
1. Photography is a bad example because you are capturing something your seeing or experiencing IN THE REAL PHYSICAL WORLD. Ai is a different technology altogether so comparing it that dosen't work.
2. The guy who said he creates Ai assets and uses them to construct an image off of that is making an actually good argument because he's using the assets to create art rather than using the programs to create an image and claiming that is art all by itself, however I will say that he had to think of a different way to use the AI then intended by the creators of it, that doesn't invalidate his work it dose mean that most people won't use it that way and I imagine most people who call themselves Ai artists don't do that ether.
3.my point isn't to not use Ai art but that we could lean on it too much as a crutch and crate more content than actual art.
4. I realize that a lot of Anti-AI art people are retarded leftist/normies that are arguing from a lack of understanding and emotion, but arguing that it's new and good and not going away is also a crap argument because you aren't engaging with the other person just talking past them.
5.I feel like an element of AI arts popularity is that entertainment and what stupid and pretentious people call art is so low rent and goofy. So when we see something that's generic made by a program done competently enough we give it a pass.

Look. I like the Will Stancel show for example, but if it wasn't a shit post and it wasn't about a etard and it expected me to take it seriously I wouldn't.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Digital art is different to prompting because you actually have to engage with how an image is composed to make it appealing, you have to have a basic knowledge of how art works to coax the program into putting your image on the shitty digital canvas. Prompting doesn't really involve anything and its cope to call it even programming. Its just words, paramaters, and waiting to get a desired result on what you typed in. With commissioned art, outside of say, the Japs with systems like SKEB. You can communicate with the artist, request revisions, hand them sketches or more designed outlines. You can do some of these with AI, but it will be up to how fine tuned it is to remember the previous steps and how consistent it is in interpreting everything. Which, if you saw the series, the consistency in designs was some of the more jarring aspects that were clearly not intended or worked around by the writer.
Wendigoon's seethe is overdone, but he does constantly bring up why the prompt based AI Art ended up being detrimental to the series, designs are inconsistent, some arcs are animated with existing anime artstyles that don't pop up again. And pieces of the writer's retarded vision are unclear they're supposed to not be. And not in a way that brings up any retarded speculation, its just vauge in a stilted manner. Its not working for what the series wanted to do. And it does make its message fall apart because the writer didn't even work around it.

People have created amazing things with AI so it can't really be just random luck that some people get good results and other get inconsistent shit.

And if we go back to Analog Horror genre, a ton of the work in it is Microsoft Paint level art. It's ridiculous that copy pasting scary face to a png from a tv show is thought as art yet using a different tool to create something the author wants to show is not.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

People have created amazing things with AI so it can't really be just random luck that some people get good results and other get inconsistent shit.

And if we go back to Analog Horror genre, a ton of the work in it is Microsoft Paint level art. It's ridiculous that copy pasting scary face to a png from a tv show is thought as art yet using a different tool to create something the author wants to show is not.

It depends, like people have brought up, Local 58 used stock footage, but edited to a degree that implied something spooky in a fictional world, same with Mandela, where the purposefully distorted existing faces were given a meaning within the world, and said distortion had a vision behind it that was kept consistent throughout. People already shit on low tier copy pastes like you bring up. But the more wanked over series atleast have that sprinkle of intent that makes people appreciate the work done. Something AI can still struggle with.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

Digital art is different to prompting because you actually have to engage with how an image is composed to make it appealing, you have to have a basic knowledge of how art works to coax the program into putting your image on the shitty digital canvas.

You can do all that with AI too. AI art isn't just asking Grok to make an image. Play around with ComfyUI or something and go deep into that autistic rabbit hole, there are models and nodes that allow you to control poses, style, composition, even examples of subjects to include in the image to improve consistency. If you want absolute control of your image, you can absolutely do that if you are willing to learn how too. If you just want to make a simple prompt and roll the dice, you can do that too. The issue is that most people who make AI art are the latter rather than the former.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

The issue is that most people who make AI art are the latter rather than the former.

maybe, but i cant really see it as anything other than backend programming in a way. You can get aesthetic results using that, but i think even the more basic work of putting lines on paper to me cant be seen as the same kind of effort as prompting, i just cant see it on equal terms. Im admittedly very biased, and i understand that artists are almost always annoying, but the underlying niggery of how the masses lazily use AI is the thing that will turn me off from even well done AI works. This has happened in traditional artistry, but AI work will always be momentarily associated to me with 3rd world faggotry that nobody gives a shit about and low effort posting.
Which again, the crux of people bitching about Angel Engine is that the author clearly has some inspired designs, story-lines and visuals, but his method of prompting is either incapable by his own skill or by design to be the medium to bring them to their full potential.

 

[Oongok]

He should be glad tools like AI exist. Those AI filters he uses work overtime to make his lips appear a normal size.

obligatory "This image is AI generated" disclaimer

 

[Rick The Stick]

Goon should probably take a moment to reflect on how his entire livelihood is based on talking about other people's content and events that other people have researched. Might give him a bit of pause the next time he wants to sperg about "copying" people's work or low effort slop.

The faggot sits in front of a camera and talks about well worn history, reads creepypasta someone else wrote, or tells you how the latest analog horror/indie game is either the best or worst thing to ever exist.

Fuckin pot & kettle over here.

 

[Crypt Kicker]

Can a photographer make art then? All they did was press a button on a machine. Anyone can point a camera at something and do that.

Taking a picture and being a photographer is not the same thing.
Photographers need to understand position, lighting, shadow effects, etc. It's like every basic white bitch back in the early 2000's especially before smartphones, fancied themselves a "photographer" because they bought an expensive camera and took dogshit ass amateur photos they thought looked profound.
Professional photographers need to have an eye for detail or else it's all just


but today photography is basically a dead artform, since filters and after effects exist.

 

[Ser Prize]

Internet Historian is still my gold standard of adverts. His come off like spiteful parodies.

Reggie is also really good for that.

Anyways, the video today really does seem full of unnecessary seethe. Angel Engine does have a problem with inconsistent art styles and that is entirely something to criticize. But it seems like whenever Wendi starts to get engaged with the story he has to step back and denounce it.

I don't get it. Yeah Angel Engine is derivative as fuck, but so is all Analogue Horror. It creates an interesting scenario, has some cool twists, and isn't up it's own ass. But all the discourse about it is "muh AI muh stealing". It's so tiring, given how much Wendi ballwashes shit like Mandela Catalogue which has the most boring story I've ever seen in any of these.

Also him saying that AI data centres are going to drain the water tables was a fucking laugh.

 

[crowabunga]

Taking a picture and being a photographer is not the same thing.
Photographers need to understand position, lighting, shadow effects, etc. It's like every basic white bitch back in the early 2000's especially before smartphones, fancied themselves a "photographer" because they bought an expensive camera and took dogshit ass amateur photos they thought looked profound.
Professional photographers need to have an eye for detail or else it's all just
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I think the issue is even worse, because so long as AI isn't smart enough to take exact direction then even someone with all the understanding of what makes a good photo can't get AI alone to do it. Try generating a photo with lighting, and style, and composition, and umpteen other variables exactly how you need them: last I checked we aren't there yet.

My recent experiences aren't with the cutting edge, but I've played with local imagegen AI for game asset generation, and while it works for placeholders I quickly realized getting consistency and a distinct style was impossible without editing so extensive that it would require me to develop artistic talent sufficient to just make the assets myself.

 

[Crypt Kicker]

I think the issue is even worse, because so long as AI isn't smart enough to take exact direction then even someone with all the understanding of what makes a good photo can't get AI alone to do it. Try generating a photo with lighting, and style, and composition, and umpteen other variables exactly how you need them: last I checked we aren't there yet.

I hope AI never gets there. The things that AI is good for, isn't worth the bullshit.
Nothing made by AI will ever be as good as something envisioned with a human mind and brought to life by human hands.
I would rather see the amateur hour dogshit photos by some basic white girl because at least there was an actual mind behind the photos, then see a "work of art" by some asshole that typed a prompt and said "I'm done!"
The wannabe photographer can get better through trial and error and practice, and the journey between "Crap" and "not crap" is more exciting than anything AI can create.

 

[strumpets exeunt]

I hope AI never gets there. The things that AI is good for, isn't worth the bullshit.
Nothing made by AI will ever be as good as something envisioned with a human mind and brought to life by human hands.
I would rather see the amateur hour dogshit photos by some basic white girl because at least there was an actual mind behind the photos, then see a "work of art" by some asshole that typed a prompt and said "I'm done!"
The wannabe photographer can get better through trial and error and practice, and the journey between "Crap" and "not crap" is more exciting than anything AI can create.

And they took Crypt Kicker to the graveyard
Laid him six feet down under the sand
And every generative AI comes rushing by
Says "Yonder lies a shit-posting man, Lord, Lord
Yonder lies a shit-posting man"