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I believe Moscow threatened a pre-emptive nuclear attack on South Africa in 1975, during Operation Savannah.

The Official Story Goes Something Like This:​


For years Angola had been embroiled in civil war, with many factions vying for power. In 1975, the dominant faction was backed by the [Soviets / Cuba]. The faction favored by the USA had been largely sidelined at this point, and the CIA was forced to work with and through the South Africans. This third [South Africa / America] faction controlled large swathes of the country side, but was not in a position to seize power alone.

In August 1975, South Africa began a clandestine incursion into Angola, providing direct assistance to the [South Africa / America] faction. In the opening days, the SADF and their faction surged forward; there is evidence that the Cubans stationed in Angola didn't have a strong understanding of how dire the situation was until it had deteriorated nearly beyond the point of salvage. Eventually, the the SADF and the [South Africa / America] faction start to move on the port city of Luanda, the Angolan capital. Their advance slowed as they began to enter the more heavily urbanized areas around Quifangondo (northern suburb of Luanda). The urban environment, combined with the enemies' shorter supply lines, and a greater number of hostile artillery pieces, made progress extremely slow and difficult. The Cubans had been shipping in more men and equipment since the moment they realized how bad the situation was, and more and more the SADF had to deal with Cuban special forces instead of the comparatively less well-equipped and less well-trained [Soviets / Cuba] faction.

Here's where things get a little fuzzy. In quick succession, there was a lot of bad press internationally once South African involvement in Angola became known, the US Congress passed a law to ban all material assistance to the South African government (ostensibly including it's Angolan allies), and there was a meeting between US and South African diplomats. After that meeting, South Africa ordered an expeditious and humiliating retreat back home. Most historians blame this decision on lack of American support or a desire in Pretoria to avoid a prolonged conventional war in Angola.

Is That Really The Whole Story?​


There's a couple of issues with how most people explain the sudden reversal in RSA foreign policy, mostly having to do with timing.

The explanation that "bad press" motivated South African leadership to pull out is strange. At this point in history, the RSA was the prototypical pariah state. Everything they did and failed to do was heavily criticized abroad. Even if it wasn't, South Africa was under such heavy sanctions that it isn't clear what effect worse international relations could possibly have on their society.

The second explanation was that the loss of American resources motivated withdrawal, is a bit dubious. I think this specific explanation has survived because of the CIA's involvement. Both supporters and opponents of the CIA (for different reasons) like to mythologize their power and assert their primacy in international affairs. To be frank, it's not clear how much influence America had over the operation to begin with. They had already been forced to work through the SADF after the preferred American allies were largely sidelined in Angola. Perhaps more importantly, South Africa didn't immediately order withdrawal when Congress disallowed American support. The decision to retreat was made a short time later, after a meeting with American diplomats.

The third explanation was that the RSA saw an impending quagmire when their advance had slowed, and pulled out to avoid a costly long term conflict with Angola. Again, this is difficult to rationalize. For one, their investment into the incursion up to that point had been less than three thousand troops to a neighboring country, with a large contingent of friendly native fighters. The increasing Cuban presence likely would've necessitated reinforcement, but the fact of the matter is that there was no universe where Cuba could move in more hardware more quickly than could the SADF. Second, The RSA had been in an unambiguous state of conflict with the Frontline States before, during, and after Operation Savannah. When the order to withdraw was given, Pretoria activated over 150,000 reservists. It seems as though the RSA government anticipated a widescale expansion of the conflict after withdrawal, not detente, as is sometimes suggested.

All the above explanations were contrived after the fact. At the time, the dominant conception of the withdrawal was one of confusion. Consider the below quote from the Rhodesian perspective. The Rhodesian view is especially useful, as they had access to a lot of high level contacts within the RSA government and a profound understanding of South African thinking, but did not feel any duty to "close ranks" and accept orders from the top as a matter of course:

[Harold Hawkins, Rhodesian diplomat to the RSA,] said the South Africans were still smarting and divided over the Angola incursion. The military operation was well planned and executed, with the result that their advance was easier and much more rapid than expected. In a matter of weeks they were within striking distanced of Luanda but, when their politicians received this news, there was panic. After consultations with America, the South African troops were ordered to pull back, to the total amazement and disbelief of all those involved. Attempts to get together the relevant cabinet ministers to consider the countermand and clear up the resultant confusion were in vain - ministers were at their holiday resorts for the Christmas break. There was bitter division between the Ministry of Defence, which wanted to get on with the job, and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which had opposed the idea from the beginning. Eventually, Hawkins said, after the New Year, a message from the Prime Minister's office confirmed the withdrawal. It was a humiliating surrender, according to South African military intelligence.

- Ian Smith (Rhodesian PM) in his autobiography

This contains some interesting, if slanted, information about how the operation was viewed at the time. For right now, only two things are important:
  1. The decision was made extremely suddenly, from the very top level, and without any apparent explanation.
  2. The decision was made only after a meeting with American diplomats.
It's abundantly clear that certain portions of the South African rationale to withdraw is not publicly known. The Communist Angolans were a severe and demonstrated threat to South Africa, it really only makes sense to cut and run if they were responding to a far greater threat. One that burned brighter than a thousand suns.

What Was The Meeting About?​


When the Americans met with the South Africans, it was to deliver grave news. The Soviets were planning to nuke South Africa if they refused to withdraw from Angola, and had approached the Americans seeking their acceptance of the attack. This wouldn't be the first time that had happened. This time, the Americans accepted.

Why were the Soviets willing to escalate to nuclear conflict over a bush war on the other side of the world? Why was America willing to go along with it, if they had refused a similar request only a few years earlier?​


As I'm writing this, there's a conflict in the Persian Gulf that is affecting petrochemical supplies across the world. Isn't it funny how the disruption of a single resource, which isn't incredibly valuable on it's own, can reverberate and cause havoc throughout entire societies? What if I told you that there's quite a few resources that work the same way? The Defense Logistics Agency maintains a list of what they refer to as "Strategic Materials". The CIA used to maintain a similar but better list, but it was recently shut down. The CIA's list is still available through archives.

If you glance at the above lists, you'll immediately notice something rather odd. A large amount of "Strategic" ores are sourced from Southern Africa and Central Asia. Some of these materials are basically non-existent outside of these regions, such as Chromium. However, all would be severely disrupted if for some reason, the strategic minerals of southern Africa were made unavailable to one or both of the superpowers at that time.

Which brings us back to Angola. Moscow had long dreamed of a belt across Africa, through which they could spread the glorious message of Communism. Had they lost access to Angola's ports, they'd be forced to supply their allies through (recently acquired) Mozambique's ports instead. That would be a serious problem, since all major railways to the Mozambican ports at that time ran through RSA-Aligned Rhodesia. All imports would be subject to RSA-Rhodesian inspection and approval, requiring either a cessation of military support to RSA enemies or, more realistically, continuing supply using suboptimal routes, such as air-transport (accepting a severe drop in throughput and a corresponding explosion in cost). That's assuming the SADF / Rhodesians wouldn't just launch an operation similar to Savannah on the East African coast and "liberate" another key Soviet ally in the region.

Perhaps most alarming to planners, though, would be Pretoria's defacto control over all mineral exports from southern Africa. A potential embargo BY the South Africans would've been disastrous to the whole world, in any case. However, since many strategic minerals exist in certain quantities in Soviet Kazahkstan, the crisis would arguably affect the USA far more acutely. Which, of course, explains why Washington and Moscow might see eye to eye on the Angolan incursion. Or at least, why Washington was willing to relent to Soviet threats.

After Operation Savannah, the South African government began to make moves to build a global nuclear deterrent. It's an open secret that the South African's were able to create a nuclear weapon only a few years later. Less well known is the South African's early space program, dismantled on US insistence in 1993, which created launch vehicles which may eventually have been able to carry nuclear weapons all over the world. That makes perfect sense, if Pretoria was trying to influence Russia and America, rather than their direct neighbors.
 
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Wasn't there something that came out a few years ago where some babies are born with a thing that makes it hard for them to breathe when sleeping, like sleep apnea or asthma kinda thing, and they only JUST discovered a test for it? I don't remember enough to sound more confident about it, but there was some kind of thing. Maybe I'm just sensitive, being a foid myself, but I'm not a fan of the theory that SIDS is 100% "raaagh women being stupid evil bitches and killing babies!!"
A lot of SIDS was being caused by parents choosing to co-sleep with their infants and their babies would most likely be smothered or suffocated by the bed sheets. It’s been greatly reduced in the last couple decades. I can buy into the sleep apnea theory for some SIDS cases however, since sleep apnea can’t be detected as a cause of death in an autopsy and babies have such tiny lungs and undeveloped muscles.
 
A lot of SIDS was being caused by parents choosing to co-sleep with their infants and their babies would most likely be smothered or suffocated by the bed sheets. It’s been greatly reduced in the last couple decades. I can buy into the sleep apnea theory for some SIDS cases however, since sleep apnea can’t be detected as a cause of death in an autopsy and babies have such tiny lungs and undeveloped muscles.
From what I remember, there's something that most people have that if you stop breathing at night to an extent it could kill you, you'll wake up and adjust yourself. The SIDS babies don't have that thing though, I think it's some kind of gene? I found this on tumblr a million years ago, I wish I could find the original article.
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It was an enzyme! I don't have a lot of time to sit at the 'puter and look into this, but at least now I know I didn't make it up.
 
IDK if it's actually mothers suffocating or directly killing their babies, I think doing that would leave a lot of evidence like bruises and whatnot, my theory is it's nutritional neglect, feeding babies trash food during their early days and not giving them proper sustenance might be why they suddenly die.

tbf that might be explained in the screenshot but it's too long and I am not reading all of that.
It would leave no bruises. The babies will suffocate just rolling into a blanket or something themselves. Many of the SIDS cases are probably that, or parents in bed with the baby and accidentally blocking their breathing. But if doctors know it's probably what happened and they have no way to know intention, an "Oh, the baby suddenly did that thing we can't explain. Oopsies." Plus women murder their children in record numbers in the womb. Nothing changes when they're out of it.
On the topic of SIDS, it used to be pretty common practice to dump baby care off onto whatever older kid was around at the time so moms could rest/do other things.
You think 7 year old Big Sister doesn't get frustrated with crying baby?
You think Mom wants to admit to foisting her baby onto her older kid?
You think Mom wants to tell police that her kid killed her other kid, even accidentally?

I do agree that SIDS isn't a mystery ailment, it's a cover for something else.
I want you all to look into infant mortality and the body fat percentage of the mother + incidences of co-sleeping like @Cherry Eyed Hamster said.
Look too, at SIDs rates by race, and also sleep habits by race.
 
From what I remember, there's something that most people have that if you stop breathing at night to an extent it could kill you, you'll wake up and adjust yourself. The SIDS babies don't have that thing though, I think it's some kind of gene? I found this on tumblr a million years ago, I wish I could find the original article.
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It was an enzyme! I don't have a lot of time to sit at the 'puter and look into this, but at least now I know I didn't make it up.
I decided to read the paper the AI summary was referencing. The graphs presented are very confusing and the paper never clarifies if it compared a lack of the BChE enzyme in SIDS deaths and non-SIDS deaths, one of the graphs even shows overlapping distributions of BChE enzyme in both cases. I feel like it was making a better argument for BChE being a potential marker for infant death but not necessarily for SIDS deaths, if that makes any sense.

I also feel like attempting to research the cause of SIDS is a moot point since SIDS is a diagnosis of exclusion. Doctors resort to the SIDS diagnosis if there is genuinely an issue they cannot determine post-mortem OR, more commonly imo, nobody wants to be the asshole that tell grieving parents that they fucked up and don't want to traumatize them further by turning it into an investigation of involuntary manslaughter. Ever since pediatricians encouraged parents to have their newborns sleep on their backs starting in the 90s, SIDS cases declined by 54%.

Also a more unsavory truth is that a majority of SIDS cases occur now with non-Hispanic whites, especially amongst African Americans and Native Americans. Do we really have to guess as to why?
I want you all to look into infant mortality and the body fat percentage of the mother + incidences of co-sleeping like @Cherry Eyed Hamster said.
Look too, at SIDs rates by race, and also sleep habits by race.
See my comment above.

Edit: Here's the paper for anyone who wants to read it themselves.
 
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Moscow threatened a pre-emptive nuclear attack on South Africa in 1975, during Operation Savannah.

Now that is actually really interesting, but an immediate nuking probably wouldn't have been the USSR's first choice, they had a habit of threatening nuclear war and IIRC did it during Yom Kippur which did scare the Americans. Israel was a nuclear power at that time, however, and SA wasn't. A more likely outcome was the Soviets getting directly involved using their navy and airforce and gaping South Africa while the West stood by.
 
It’s probably been mentioned a bunch already but the Las Vegas mass shooting with that Stephen paddock guy. The whole thing strikes me as odd and not really adding up
 
It’s probably been mentioned a bunch already but the Las Vegas mass shooting with that Stephen paddock guy. The whole thing strikes me as odd and not really adding up
I don't believe the official story on that one at all. Not only did the witnesses say there were multiple shooters (and I don't buy the "They were just confused" shit either), but people have jokingly tried to recreate smuggling in all that equipment into the hotel and it can't be done.
 
I don't believe the official story on that one at all. Not only did the witnesses say there were multiple shooters (and I don't buy the "They were just confused" shit either), but people have jokingly tried to recreate smuggling in all that equipment into the hotel and it can't be done.
Every mass shooting has people reporting multiple shooters because it's chaotic and 99% of people have never been on the receiving end of gunfire. Eyewitness testimony from people under than much stress is wildly unreliable. Moving that many firearms and ammo isn't that uncommon in Las Vegas, it is home to Shot Show and a number of large shooting ranges. Paddock could easily have had help moving everything from bellhops, especially since he had booked a very expensive suite and its not like any of the bellhops would be asking questions about what's in his luggage. The arms deal gone sour theory also doesn't make any sense because he had nothing but a bunch of mid- to high-tier AR-15s and all his mags were loaded with Hornaday V-Max which is way too expensive for a cartel or foreign military/rebel group. And why would he be selling them bumpstocks when those same groups could easily acquire full-auto receivers or modify them?

Paddock was most likely involved with some glowie shenanigans and either snapped mentally or was a patsy for some sort of operation/false flag. Banning bumpstocks was ultimately futile because now we have FRTs that can turn a number of common semi-auto rifles into machine guns and the ATF can't do shit because they meet the legal definition of a semi-auto rifle. Gun control is a career killer for politicians outside of solidly blue urban districts.
 
Banning bumpstocks was ultimately futile because now we have FRTs that can turn a number of common semi-auto rifles into machine guns and the ATF can't do shit because they meet the legal definition of a semi-auto rifle. Gun control is a career killer for politicians outside of solidly blue urban districts.
State gun laws are being tightened to fix this by banning the sale, manufacture, assembly, or transport of: threaded barrels (that screw onto the receiver), barrels with threads for silencers. foldable and collapsible stocks, partially complete uppers and lowers for banned parts, some types of rails, bump stocks, and a long list of specific rifles and pistols. The Communists in these states are already working on expanding this. (F.e. HB 1504 in Washington State).

Their stated legislative agenda for 2027 is requiring licenses and insurance to own firearms. Washington and Illinois already require licenses to purchase firearms and have introduced bills to require insurance for each weapon owned. Licenses will likely be increasingly difficult to get and the cost of insurance will eventually be prohibitively expensive as well.

The proposed laws are focusing on civil penalties for possessing a firearm without insurance. I suspect they're doing this to avoid appeals and higher court challenges. Faced the cost of expensive insurance or fighting a long court battle after being financially wrecked, Democrats expect that most people will turn their guns in to amnesty programs.
 
At the time I remember thinking
A. What an odd event and
B. It looking like someone had set it up as an experience for someone. You pay enough, in money or otherwise and we set up a sniper nest for you and you get x minutes to go for it, and we will even have a dead patsy to take the blame. I dont know why I thought.
 
But AI is free?
All of the "free AI" tools I've dinked around with are abysmal, but maybe that's on purpose so you sign up for the $80 to $250 a year package. Gemini and ChatGPT can't even explain simple things without hallucinating incorrect info.

Taxation is theft but I think entities like the the IRS and CRA (Canada revenue agency, pretty much leaf IRS) along with companies like H&R block fight against tax autofiling to stay employed and relevant.

Since the species went extinct quite recently and Lazarus species do exist and there are multiple sightings over the years, it seems very plausible.
IIRC The Tasmanian Tiger went extinct in the mid 30s, well before the advent of trail cams, camcorders and any way for anyone to get footage of it without hours of setup. A couple dozen could easily be kicking around, but I don't blame the government for keeping them under wraps. Some people will poach anything they can or try and capture it for the exotic pet trade.

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Now that is actually really interesting, but an immediate nuking probably wouldn't have been the USSR's first choice, they had a habit of threatening nuclear war and IIRC did it during Yom Kippur which did scare the Americans. Israel was a nuclear power at that time, however, and SA wasn't. A more likely outcome was the Soviets getting directly involved using their navy and airforce and gaping South Africa while the West stood by.
Do you know a lot about direct nuclear threats? I have a pet theory that they're much more common than we've been led to believe, but most of the official threats have to do with communicating troop movements to a potential adversary. Like pieces on the devil's chessboard, the enemy can see your nuclear capabilities and react accordingly, without the need for explicit verbal threats. Which obviously isn't exactly the same thing as what you're describing.
 
Do you guys believe in anything Terence McKenna said, or is he just crazy? I've taken psychadelics a few times but never enough to see aliens or machine elves. It is odd how people see the same motifs when they're on these drugs. Is it possible any of the stuff people see on them is real?
Feel free to PM me. I have a fair amount of experience with DMT, and don't want to shit the thread up with drug trip stories.
 
IIRC The Tasmanian Tiger went extinct in the mid 30s, well before the advent of trail cams, camcorders and any way for anyone to get footage of it without hours of setup. A couple dozen could easily be kicking around, but I don't blame the government for keeping them under wraps. Some people will poach anything they can or try and capture it for the exotic pet trade.
It is a conspiracy I hope is happening.
 
So this is some speculation I have for the future in regards to fossils and scientific fraud
one year late but i cant sleep and found your post. let me calm you down regarding fossil frauds.

Anything particularly interesting is either bought up by a paleontologist not wanting to let a potential discovery go into someone's collection to never be properly studied or someone who realizes it may be of some value loans it to some paleontologist
this is not true. paleontologists don't have money for this
to push some idea(s) or to work towards something like tenure.
if you're studying famous or rare fossils you already have tenure. it's not that hard to get.
One process is incredibly convincing and can be done in a day or two and that's "artificial maturation".
it's not convincing at all . it's only convincing because private collections have no obligation to give anyone access to the fossil to analyse it. meanwhile in academia there's fossil numbers and you can request to see any fossil that was mentioned in any article.
The best way to figure out if these artificial fossils are real or fake(when observing them outside of their context, which is a term for the place and stratum it was found and this can be lied about obviously) is going to be via isotopic analyses.
stratum dating (aka vibe checking the fossils age based on the rocks near it) isn't to check if it's real or not
"The problem however is that any crafty forger can purposefully skew the isotopes of what his materials should have by influencing their diet and preventing their exposure to certain external sources. "

nigger this involves feeding animals with perfect food for years until the bones have the perfect mix of elements. you'd have to import the earth from the place you're bullshiting your dinosaur is coming from and growing all the food for your animal on that specific dirt, not using tap water, etc.

The only other good investigative method that I can think of involves scrutinizing microstructures and using polarized lens to look for oddities.

have you ever heard of a CT scan

Be wary of huge fossil claims in the future, the technology and knowledge to make very convincing forgeries is present and people have been successfully faking fossils for over a hundred years.

don't be wary of that . the technology and the academic system in place is quite alright to prevent that. but governments can just outright lie about results and the science itself existing or just pay scientists to lie about things like how now everyone agrees women can have dicks and gender bullshit. be afraid of that.
 
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