Amazon's Invincible - thoughts?

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

They'd just tell some other aliens they've intimidated into submission to build them whatever they need or die, and they'd do it

 

[starborn427614]

I’m really starting to feel this show just coasted on the good will of Season 1. And I don’t know if it always had “PNG Animation” or I just notice it more after it was pointed out. Because shit feels BrodyQuest.

It's always been janky, but it's a lot more noticeable now that bigger events are happening.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

Emperor Mark storyline is gonna be animated in flipaclip

 

[RumblyTumbly]

I just got done watching Season 4.

There were a lot more flaws this season than usual. The animation seemed a lot more janky than usual, and alot of the plot/character threads seemed to go nowhere.

With the animation, you'd think this show becoming a hit would lead to the show looking better over time and getting more money to work with. I guess not.

With the stories, Mark's whole arc about turning into a killer and him struggling with that? Dropped. Eve's pregnancy? Literally aborted. And there were so many mopey dopey moments of therapy sessions and downers for cheap emotion (that were also minimal on animation and dialogue...a money saver!).

Also, I am getting a little tired of all the knock off characters. I guess it worked early on when this felt like more a deconstructive/satirical take, but the Star Trek TNG parody characters felt like a bridge too far.

Also, I agree with the sentiment that the Viltrum Empire feels rather...empty. <50 Viltrumites and a bunch of undefined aliens under their heel. Star Trek DS9 handled it much better with the Dominion as you had the changelings on top and various well defined aliens subordinate to them (Vorta and Jem'Hadar).

I felt like there was like maybe two episodes worth of really good story that got stretched out for 8. They definitely focused on some of the wrong things. The Oliver/Nolan stuff was good, Nolan going back to Earth yeilded some great moments, and when Thragg showed up, it felt important, but most of this season felt like wasted time.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

With the animation, you'd think this show becoming a hit would lead to the show looking better over time and getting more money to work with.

nigga this is amazon. jeff bezos needs that 3rd yacht. they could replace all their actors with dirt cheap fiverr voice roles and it'd still look like this because they'd just give it less money

 

[Dante Alighieri]

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The song they used for this scene was really good

 

[The Great One]

I don't know much about this show, I've never fully watched it but seen a few clips. I find it funny when people make fun of the black viltrumite for looking like Steve Harvey.

 

[God of Nothing]

I’m really starting to feel this show just coasted on the good will of Season 1.

It really fucking did, dude. I was relieved and conflicted defending it. Relieved because the change to early Omni-Man's plot actually being a good move. Conflicted because of all the blatant modern bullshit sticking out like a sore thumb.

The changes stopped being good and then just veered straight into retardation. Needless goddamn melodrama, more race swaps, an indefensible sex swap, "I'm a monster but I feel bad " speeches, and now we have outright fucking filler. Never mind the gradual decline in animation quality. They kept one of the worst, cheap, and easily dismissible plot points in the entire story, and that tells me and everyone else who read the comic they're going to keep what completely breaks the narrative later on. You fucking know what I'm talking about if you know.

With the stories, Mark's whole arc about turning into a killer and him struggling with that? Dropped. Eve's pregnancy? Literally aborted. And there were so many mopey dopey moments of therapy sessions and downers for cheap emotion (that were also minimal on animation and dialogue...a money saver!).

There's a storytime on /co/ right now with secondaries surprised about how competent comic Mark is and how stupid all the needless muh feelings talk is now that they've read the actual story.

 

[Cryogonal2]

Mark's whole arc about turning into a killer and him struggling with that? Dropped

don't worry they'll bring this back three years from now when they make season five and they need to dedicate a whole recap to reminding you that this character arc happened

 

[Cave Fisher]

So I'm not sure how others feel about this but is the Viltrumite empire somehow extremly underdeveloped?

I mean the empire is basically just Thragg's personal cult of a few dozen superpowered yes men that bully a few planets around that serve them as slaves and that's it somehow. Like the problem is that just with the stuff you hear about them in the first few seasons they actually sound interesting as a galaxy spanning hyper perfectionist fascist state, but in reality all other planets that supposedly serve them are basically non existant.

Even though realistically speaking they need atleast a few million somewhat loyal pencil pushers to keep their interplanetary logistics running.
Especially since the under 50 Viltrumites probably don't have time to personally control all their taxes or some shit, so realistically speaking without a reliable control structure their slaves could probably logistically and financially sabotage their efforts in a multitude of ways that they probably wouldn't even be able to figure out without being very well versed in that matter.

Like I don't expect them to talk about Viltrumite taxes in the show, but atleast they could have done something like having a gang of different alien commanders as background characters that usually hang around with the Viltrumites and whose demeanor makes it clear that most of them are actually loyal to their superiors as an explanation for why their empire doesn't falls apart immediately.

The fucking SAIYANS have more noticeable culture and history than the Viltrumites who don't have much going for them beyond "they wear white unfiorms, think they're better than everyone because their tard strength is the best around, and like killing people." and the recency bias has got people thinking they're one of the coolest alien races around when there's like 10 those punchniggas in a series filled with nothing but punchniggas get mogged by in popularity and powerscaling. There's a bland handwave of them having a bunch of slave races to run their empire for them, but at the implied scale, TONS of them have to be slipping through the cracks if there's only 50 guys to keep them in check.

I'm glad 4 seasons of this shit are finally starting to break the spell the first season had on everyone because MAN it was coasting off of season 1 Omni Man's scenes like crazy.

Also, I am getting a little tired of all the knock off characters.

For a superhero series, this show feels like it does not give a SHIT about superheroes, every single character is just a knockoff of a way better character, with the occasionally really good moment that makes you forget they're just iron man with a different suit, but like every "parody that gets all cool and serious later" EVER, it's hard to rconcile the big galaxy spanning war (that was just what, ten guys punching and shooting ten other guys?) with stuff like Mark's wife and therapist being a blatant green lantern/gwen tennyson knockoff, the entire empire they're fighting being blatant saiyan kryptonian knockoffs, and the supposedly strongest human being Abraham Lincoln who never wins a fight. All the actual superhero stuff past season 1 is just treated like an annoying sidequest Mark has to take care off once the Viltrumites hit the scene and make everything pale in comparison (say what you want about DBZ, the supporting cast got through a whole series first before they became useless), the actual superhero team are more or less fodder side characters who show up to immediately get their asses kicked or killed, and the best actual supervillains got brutally murdered. (the show fixed one or two issues, but keeps adding problems to the comic story that are snowballing to REALLY fuck up the narrative,, I'm especially curious on how they're gonna handle

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Allen's later personality with the annoying millenial-humor dialogue they give him in the show, or Robot, who feels a little too demure ever since he got a human body considering what he does later

)

By the time they get to the big climatic fight with the Viltrum empire, Mark, Oliver, and MAYBE Tech Jacket are the only actual superheroes on the team, and the entire crew does nothing but punch and shoot people, while all the guys with interesting powers are either dead or too weak/stupid to do help out.

There's a storytime on /co/ right now with secondaries surprised about how competent comic Mark is and how stupid all the needless muh feelings talk is now that they've read the actual story.

I'm occasionally following that one too, and while it's equally stupid sometimes, it's CRAZY how much less pussified everyone is in it. (Their designs feel much better without the knockoff ben 10 style) you can tell how much millennial writing and therapyspeak have infected the show in comparison.

 

[Neet Tokusatsu]

Well, Eve does have a higher Viltrumite kill count than Oliver.
Also, here's some more!

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People making memes about Eve's abortion puts a smile on my face. You see, we all can say everything about Eve asking Debbie and Paul for help, hell, even Cecil would be an option too, but that was not the point, Eve killing her unborn child is not a character study, but something done just to kick Mark in the balls and shock the audience, the very definition of edgy. So yeah, Eve's abortion deserves to be laughed at.

 

[The handsome tard]

Why would an immortal race of nearly god-like people who can travel space without ships actually need money?
They'd just tell some other aliens they've intimidated into submission to build them whatever they need or die, and they'd do it: a single Viltrumite can devastate any world save maybe the Geldarians'. It's not a matter of if. Thaedus admitted 50 alone is enough that no one in the galaxy or universe or whatever scale could actually stop them united.

An empire built on constant threats of death is an empire that will crumble by that same violence. Entire species worth of aliens will dedicate entire economies and lifetimes towards finding effective weapons against Viltrumites and I am very sure a race smarter than humans will come up with sonic weapons (even somehow effective in space) to absolutely annihilate the Viltrumites

Or make another effective plague.

Or find a psychic race of aliens

The list goes on.

I want to believe that Thragg is at least smart enough to know that his empire needs to be built on something more than just violence. An empire wants to make it beneficial to join them instead of being their enemy and having Viltrum acting as your provider and protector is a way to gain support or at least reduce the number of potential enemies.

People making memes about Eve's abortion puts a smile on my face. You see, we all can say everything about Eve asking Debbie and Paul for help, hell, even Cecil would be an option too, but that was not the point, Eve killing her unborn child is not a character study, but something done just to kick Mark in the balls and shock the audience, the very definition of edgy. So yeah, Eve's abortion deserves to be laughed at.

At least when Kirkmann killed off a baby in the TWD comics, you could argue it matched the grimtone of the universe but this? It is just random tragedy just for the sake of it because they really want Mark's life to be Peter Parker lvl of suffering.

 

[LavenderMenace]

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Ok do Viltrumites reproduce with no intercourse??? Is it just through insimination? How are all these men turning on their race over Earth pussy? The fuck? I thought they were all violent barbarians?

 

[God of Nothing]

I am very sure a race smarter than humans will come up with sonic weapons (even somehow effective in space) to absolutely annihilate the Viltrumites

ear plugs
why does no one bring up earplugs?

 

[The handsome tard]

ear plugs
why does no one bring up earplugs?

Thragg: Lol cringe and gay.

Also creatures like Battle Beast are strong enough to kill Viltrumites through good old violence so there are species of aliens that can simply overpower them in combat.

My point is that being a pointlessly violent empire is just begging for an enemy they cant fight back, let alone multiple of them appearing in due time.

 

[MrJokerRager]

 

[God of Nothing]

Thragg: Lol cringe and gay.

Also creatures like Battle Beast are strong enough to kill Viltrumites through good old violence so there are species of aliens that can simply overpower them in combat.

My point is that being a pointlessly violent empire is just begging for an enemy they cant fight back, let alone multiple of them appearing in due time.

Battle Beast had a magical curse on him that grew over time, explaining why he jumped from being fodder to Thragg to putting up a fight against Thragg.

okay, i guess

 

[Neet Tokusatsu]

 

[God of Nothing]

"Being part of the Viltrumite Empire will make Earth better than it ever was. We'll stop world hunger, wars, the third world from polluting, and your batshit insane women from killing their own children."

 

[Blazeuser56]