Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion
- Thread starter Bohdan Khmelnytsky
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Just you fucking watch you NAFO tranny sucker. Putin is just playing 27-D chess. he's saying there won't be any military hardware on parade, and then shock the fuck out of everyone one when he reveals the 100 T-14s that have been produced every month since Russia was forced by NATO & the CIA's color revolution to start the Two-Week Special Military Operation. Then he's going to have fly overs by the completely stealth and totally in serialized production and ready for combat Su-57. Try not to shit your pants when Russia's new aircraft carriers come out of their hidden berths do some sick Victory Day operation demonstrations in St. Petersburg.
You're goign to eat that westoid Ukrops cope.
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FSB patrol boat "Sobol" and anti-sabotage boat "Grochonok" got USV ACK'd:
Pentagon ‘Released’ $400 Million Ukraine Funding, Hegseth Says
Pentagon ‘Released’ $400 Million Ukraine Funding, Hegseth Says
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"Aha, silly HOLHOL sympathizers, our new stealth bombers are in the air right over your heads, but they are so stealthy that you can't even see them with the naked eye or hear their engines! Proud RUSSIAN STEEL! That's why there appears to be no flyover, NAFOID trannies! Aircraft carriers? Those are obsolete anyway for modern conflict, who needs them?! They would be at the bottom in a heartbeat thanks to HYPERSONIC MISSILES! We would bring our fleet of captured inferior AMERICAN PIGDOG Abrams and Bradleys to the parade, but they broke down on the way here due to inferior PIGDOG design and maintenance! Now, marvel at our IFV with about three tons of shit our brightest motorpool man Sergei Olegnikov Conscriptovich found in the junkyard and welded on top of it to protect it from drones!"
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It allowed me to prune quite a few pundits from my timeline.
>"It's NOT happening!"
>how the fuck would you know that? Are you there right now? No.
>"It's NOT necessary!"
>non-citizen cannonfodder in exchange for some barrels of oil? Who the fuck wouldn't take that deal?
>"They're NOT mindlessly charging!"
>uh, nigga, theyz Korean. And the longer the territory wasn't in Russian hands, the more embarassing. They're gonna bumrush it.
Some of them had their heads so far up their own asses that they continued saying there's no deployment even after the Kremlin had publicized and acknowledged it.
I thought it was quite poetic. Someone out there had the right idea; if it was a smattering of vehicles from the reserves it would've looked like diminished strength. Instead it was just one old tank from the last big war, so it read as 'the whole military is off fighting' rather than 'we're running out of military.'
latinlover
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Magyar Focuses on Ukraine’s Hungarians Before Backing EU Bid
TLDR.: Magyar links support of Ukrainian EU accession to improving Hungarian minority rights.
I think there's possible compromise here. This could be a decent point of reset for the relations between the two countries which soured unnecessarily under the Orban regime. The 2017 Education Law and language laws following post-Donbas are understandable and mainly aimed at Russians, but the Ukrainian Hungarians and Ukrainian Romanians were innocent collateral damage - sure Orban was being a nigger, but now he's gone so conversation I think is valid about the topic.
Magyar made reasonable and unreasonable demands, but that's sort of how you start a negotiation if you're good at it, you lowball. I'm 100% sure the new Hungarian government is open to compromise, any advancements in this area would be a massive optics win for them.
Reasonable middle ground:
-Ukraine needs to conform to both the Council of Europe Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities AND the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages if it wants to join the EU anyway, which Ukraine has both ratified. Currently there are issues with this. You could argue that SURELY when countries join the EU they will magically conform to everything, and I raise you the Benes Decrees, which Slovakia before joining the EU pinky promised is just a historical law and isn't 'active'. There are active land confiscations from ethnic Germans and Hungarians in 2026 based on 80+ year old post-WW2 collective guilt revenge laws. [Note: I am not implying the Ukrainian situation is even remotely 1/10th as bad as the Benes Decrees, I'm just trying to show that there are countries that managed to join and remain in the EU with massively worse minority laws than this that they have no intention on 'fixing' so joining alone isn't a guarantee on this question.]
-Full Hungarian-language primary education and some instruction in secondary education/accomodation for exams for people whose mother tongue is Hungarian isn't an unreasonable ask, it's a pretty compact minority, who gives a fuck if some people are doing their elementary school exams in Hungarian in Berehove
-In majority Hungarian settlements the use of Hungarian in local public administration/services being improved. This is standard practice when it comes to regional minorities in other countries in the EU. Most places, even parts of Slovakia and Romania (and other places like South Tyrol) does it.
Note: Ukraine has made some changes in late 2025 that addressed some of the prior Hungarian demands but their implementation is questionable at this point and time.
Obviously in wartime you want to maintain national cohesion, so I do get the point that you can't go around dealing with minority rights right now; but you also can't access the EU during wartime so this doesn't really matter. In summary: In my opinion both sides have a point and I do genuinely think Ukraine making these concessions specifically towards Hungarians and Romanians that ultimately don't really cost them anything would earn them lots of goodwill and could possibly lead to a new starting point for the best bilateral relations between the two countries in recent history.
The remaining Hungarian community in Transcarpathia is very small and rapidly shrinking, they pose no threat to Ukrainian national identity and if handled in good faith would pay dividends politically, something something you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
I mean sure, right now Transcarpathia is one of the least war-torn regions of Ukraine due to where it is located, but:
1. It's not really all that Hungarian nowadays. Like 6-9% of the population is a Hungarian speaker and a significant portion of that are gipsies, who do not have a 'Hungarian identity'.
2. Despite it currently being the least ravaged by the horrors of war, Transcarpathia is still very poor. Just for comparison: Hungary is now officially the poorest country in the EU. The poorest county in Hungary is REALLY fucking poor. Transcarpathia is 3-4x times poorer in most economic metrics like nominal GDP or even more practical ones like wages; I just checked Nógrád's average (monthly) wages in 2025, it's 1038 EUR. Transcarpathia's average wages were 455 euros in 2025.
If you disregard annexation and go for something softer like a regional autonomy, There's only one Hungarian autonomy movement in Europe that has legs to stand on, and that is Szeklerland (not to be confused with the entirety of Transylvania) and even that will never happen due to Romania's political climate and general anti-Hungarian sentiment.
TLDR.: Magyar links support of Ukrainian EU accession to improving Hungarian minority rights.
I think there's possible compromise here. This could be a decent point of reset for the relations between the two countries which soured unnecessarily under the Orban regime. The 2017 Education Law and language laws following post-Donbas are understandable and mainly aimed at Russians, but the Ukrainian Hungarians and Ukrainian Romanians were innocent collateral damage - sure Orban was being a nigger, but now he's gone so conversation I think is valid about the topic.
Magyar made reasonable and unreasonable demands, but that's sort of how you start a negotiation if you're good at it, you lowball. I'm 100% sure the new Hungarian government is open to compromise, any advancements in this area would be a massive optics win for them.
Reasonable middle ground:
-Ukraine needs to conform to both the Council of Europe Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities AND the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages if it wants to join the EU anyway, which Ukraine has both ratified. Currently there are issues with this. You could argue that SURELY when countries join the EU they will magically conform to everything, and I raise you the Benes Decrees, which Slovakia before joining the EU pinky promised is just a historical law and isn't 'active'. There are active land confiscations from ethnic Germans and Hungarians in 2026 based on 80+ year old post-WW2 collective guilt revenge laws. [Note: I am not implying the Ukrainian situation is even remotely 1/10th as bad as the Benes Decrees, I'm just trying to show that there are countries that managed to join and remain in the EU with massively worse minority laws than this that they have no intention on 'fixing' so joining alone isn't a guarantee on this question.]
-Full Hungarian-language primary education and some instruction in secondary education/accomodation for exams for people whose mother tongue is Hungarian isn't an unreasonable ask, it's a pretty compact minority, who gives a fuck if some people are doing their elementary school exams in Hungarian in Berehove
-In majority Hungarian settlements the use of Hungarian in local public administration/services being improved. This is standard practice when it comes to regional minorities in other countries in the EU. Most places, even parts of Slovakia and Romania (and other places like South Tyrol) does it.
Note: Ukraine has made some changes in late 2025 that addressed some of the prior Hungarian demands but their implementation is questionable at this point and time.
Obviously in wartime you want to maintain national cohesion, so I do get the point that you can't go around dealing with minority rights right now; but you also can't access the EU during wartime so this doesn't really matter. In summary: In my opinion both sides have a point and I do genuinely think Ukraine making these concessions specifically towards Hungarians and Romanians that ultimately don't really cost them anything would earn them lots of goodwill and could possibly lead to a new starting point for the best bilateral relations between the two countries in recent history.
The remaining Hungarian community in Transcarpathia is very small and rapidly shrinking, they pose no threat to Ukrainian national identity and if handled in good faith would pay dividends politically, something something you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
Agree, no fucking shot.
I mean sure, right now Transcarpathia is one of the least war-torn regions of Ukraine due to where it is located, but:
1. It's not really all that Hungarian nowadays. Like 6-9% of the population is a Hungarian speaker and a significant portion of that are gipsies, who do not have a 'Hungarian identity'.
2. Despite it currently being the least ravaged by the horrors of war, Transcarpathia is still very poor. Just for comparison: Hungary is now officially the poorest country in the EU. The poorest county in Hungary is REALLY fucking poor. Transcarpathia is 3-4x times poorer in most economic metrics like nominal GDP or even more practical ones like wages; I just checked Nógrád's average (monthly) wages in 2025, it's 1038 EUR. Transcarpathia's average wages were 455 euros in 2025.
If you disregard annexation and go for something softer like a regional autonomy, There's only one Hungarian autonomy movement in Europe that has legs to stand on, and that is Szeklerland (not to be confused with the entirety of Transylvania) and even that will never happen due to Romania's political climate and general anti-Hungarian sentiment.
Szeklerland is a piece of land that includes Harghita, Covasna and some of Mures. 75%+ of the people living in this area are ethnically Hungarian; or at least have a Hungarian identity, as there are multiple theories for who the Szeklers are; the most plausible being Turkic tribes who joined the Magyar tribes in the Pontic steppes before conquering the Basin who were awarded the land/tasked with guarding the Eastern frontier regions and later adopted the language and culture. Their historical role in the Hungarian military (vanguards) and the Turkic influence of their military organization at the time is the biggest evidence of this.
There are circa 600.000+ people in Szeklerland alone in 2026, which is both significantly more than what's there in Ukraine both in absolute terms (Ukraine has about 75.000 in 2026) and in percentages. The area of Szeklerland is way more 'compact', Hungarians in Transcarpathia are sort of scattered with the exception of a few settlements.
There are circa 600.000+ people in Szeklerland alone in 2026, which is both significantly more than what's there in Ukraine both in absolute terms (Ukraine has about 75.000 in 2026) and in percentages. The area of Szeklerland is way more 'compact', Hungarians in Transcarpathia are sort of scattered with the exception of a few settlements.
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It's not a border dispute, it's about the Volhyn Massacre.
One of the choice excerpts:
I support my original position from one of the pre partition threads - the special military operation is the best proxy war ever, I support sending arms and ammo to Ukraine in order to deplete Russia's military and cripple their economy, and I hope this conflict lasts another decade.
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Ukrainska Pravda archive / Ukrainska Pravda original link
A great number of academics warn against the propaganda funded by laboratory mistake Elon Musk. Again it's another dodgy academic Russian agent who's maneuvred himself so his propaganda can appear under respectable imprints. Remember Musk wants to replace us with pajeets, that pandering, knavish and slavish race.
Ukrainska Pravda original link
It's becoming more and more undeniable that Russian is helping Iran. It's the most predictable thing given the strategic ties between these terror states.
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You know, for a second, I thought this was the Iran thread since that's in the tab next to this one, and they both have similar content of seething, impotent boasts by third worlders about how they're totally going to defeat the west with their yet-to-be superweapons any minute now. Just you wait, the Whirlpools of Doom will consume the Ukrainian water drones next time they launch an assault.
Armor King
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So I've picked up a bit of interest in the Ukranian war again, from what I've read these last few days, no end in sight it seems?
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Unfortunately, both sides have decided to wage Total Slav Retard War.
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This shit I cannot understand though. You have a country that speaks you're language. You're in another one that speaks a different language. Why is it such a BFD to have to do all your official shit in that other language?
Like this ethnic exclaves shit boggles my mind.
Though I want to mark this date. Finally, FINALLY there a @latinlover post that ISN'T worse than the last one.
latinlover
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I can understand disagreeing with the concept and it might seem odd to you if you're in the US but Europe is a mess when it comes to minorities. Hungarians in Slovakia, Bulgarians in Ukraine, Romanians in Ukraine, Hungarians in Romania, Bulgarians in Romania, Romanians in Hungary, Hungarians in Austria, Germans in Hungary, Germans in Italy, Italians in Croatia, Croats in Austria etc., etc.
You also need to consider that this isn't about a Pakistani moving to Canada in 2002 sperging out that his kid should be allowed to learn in Urdu and making jeet enclaves, these are all historical minorities who in some cases have been in Hungary, Romania, Austria, Ukraine, whatever since the early Middle Ages. Serfs, miners, merchants in royal free cities, etc. etc. If you look at Austria it's verifiably even older, Carinthian Slovenes in Austria were there before the Austrians (before Bavarian colonization) even and are still there today. It's similar to hospitality 'laws' and diplomacy on a nationwide scale; lots of countries have their 'people' in other countries, them being nice to them is sort of an universal 'guarantee' that their own people in whatever other country won't be fucked with and everyone can live alongside each other happily minding their own business.
Hungary for example recognizes 14 national minorities and their languages officially: Ukrainian, Armenian, Boyash, Bulgarian, Croatian, German, Greek, Polish, Romani, Romanian, Rusyn, Serbian, Slovak, Slovenian. In the last census that dealt with this question out of 314.059 citizens belonging to ethnic minorities 135.787 stated said minority languages as being their primary language.
Hungary is quite permissive to minorities in EU standards, it objectively conforms to pretty much all of the EU standards on this. Minorities have state funded minority-language schools, local self governments and state support for language preservation, like noone is trying to "Hungarize" Bulgarians in 2026, if you want your kid to learn mainly in Bulgarian starting from kindergarten pretty much all the way up to University you can do that, there is no systemic restriction that forces a shift to Hungarian-language education. There are also lots of German schools, Slovak schools, etc. Sure the vast majority of people learn in Hungarian anyways, which is what I would suspect happen in Ukraine aswell and people would naturally de facto Ukrainize, which is why making these concessions essentially costs Ukraine nothing but gets them lots of good boy points with surrounding non-hostile countries and the EU.
Mind you in Hungary in particular there are Hungarian Hungarians who make their kids go to ethnic German schools just so they get a headstart on German, a very useful language on the Hungarian and neighboring job markets.
Ukraine's framework is unfortunately much more restrictive and according to the Venice Commission (Council of Europe) it's overly discriminative and it's just not enough, even including the recent concessions. From around roughly age 10 onwards you MUST learn in Ukrainian, and even when you learn in say Romanian or Hungarian before that it's mostly just subjects not full instruction languages.
Ukraine is unique due to it's conflicts with Russia; it is interested in maintaining national (and linguistic) unity through explicit Ukrainization of it's belligerent Russian minority but Romania, Hungary, Bulgarians, Poles whatever are a casualty in this and the EU isn't a fan either so it has to be addressed eventually one way or another.
Apparently Hungarian media has a very peculiar sense of humor or they were verifiably in contact with Russians in order to make sure the disinformation campaign is up to zigger standards.
Worldleaks, formerly known as "Hunters International", a hacker-extortionist group has just stolen 15 million files, 8.5 terabytes worth of data from Mediaworks Zrt and is selling it on data breach forums. This happened a few hours ago so people are actively sifting through it for interesting bits.
What and who is Mediaworks, you might ask? Mediaworks is large chunk of the Orbanist media empire, on paper owned by his childhood friend and illiterate gas fitter, now oligarch Mészáros Lőrinc. Mediaworks started in 2014 when an Austrian investor linked to Orban started buying up newspaper assets from both sides of the political spectrum and then suspiciously shutting down certain opposition ones a few months after such as 'Népszabadság' citing financial reasons, index.hu and other similar publications were destroyed the same way aswell. They locked staff out, dumped the servers, so it was extra obvious that it was censorship through a hostile takeover. Almost immediately afterwards this certain investor sold it to my favorite Mészáros Lőrinc (at the time mayor of Orbán's home village, now richest man in Hungary) and the mask fell off about it being a deliberate building block of Orbanist state media ecosystem.
Magyar Nemzet (translated: The Hungarian Nation) is owned by Mediaworks. There's a journalist called Tóth Tamás Antal there who does amazing work. I'll show you a few of his articles:
"The Ukrainian prostitute - Zelensky was absent from the history class where they were learning about good neighborly relations.
"Zelenskyy must be held accountable for the genocide in Ukraine - Genocide is taking place in Ukraine; this is now official, ever since that Soviet penis-acrobat [referring to Zelenskyy] rejected the ceasefire agreement."
"Anti-Corruption Prosecutor's Office Speaks Out: Zelenskyy Is Terrorizing Ukrainians"
"Here’s the narrative from Kyiv: Orbán set the church on fire while dressed in a mole skin coat"
"Sergey Lavrov Gave an Exclusive Interview to Magyar Nemzet [fucking lmao]"
"Dining with the Casanova of Kyiv - A man of good sense chooses carefully who he sits down to dinner with. Donald Trump is such a man. He has no desire to dine with clowns or penis acrobats. I understand, since I wouldn’t want an uninvited guest at my Christmas candlelight dinner either, especially if it’s that green guy, Zelensky."
"The dictator handed his heroic soldiers over to the aggressor on a silver platter - Instead of a Christmas ceasefire, Zelenskyy will be consigned to the garbage heaps of history along with Ukraine’s fallen heroes."
"Putin made a fool of Zelenskyy again"
"Would you like to die for Zelensky? I wouldn’t. But that’s what Macron is planning."
"The Ukrainians have been duped - The Ukrainian president told such a blatant lie that no sane person could possibly remain silent about it. "
There's an interesting file from 2025. January 7. It's a memo from a content management meeting held the same day; participants discussed topics currently being prepared. This included the Trump inauguration, David Pressman's departure (Biden's chargé d'affaires at the U.S. Embassy in Budapest) and changes to the highway code. It included instructions on if and how each topic should be covered. There was a pretty interesting bit from this memo: "Smear articles about Zelenskyy -> Tamás will ask Moscow for help over the phone."
The only person with the name 'Tamás' at the publication was Tóth Tamás Antal, whose work I just showed you; the shoe fits quite nicely too; he's obviously a virtuoso at the genre (of Zelenskyy smear articles). His favorite way of referring to ole Zelenskyyyy is: "Soviet penis-acrobat", "Biden's loyal pomeranian [dog], ", "Penis pianist".
He also has made and published interviews with characters such as Sergey Lavrov, so him being in contact with Russians is quite plausible. Or maybe they were just joking when they wrote "help over the phone from Russia" in the memo, you decide.
2 days after January 7 2025 he published his article: The dictator handed his heroic soldiers over to the aggressor on a silver platter - Instead of a Christmas ceasefire, Zelenskyy will be consigned to the garbage dumps of history along with Ukraine’s fallen heroes.
In the article he talks about a video from the Russian DOD that shows the Russian army destroying Ukrainian military units in a territory detached from Ukraine which the author refers to as "Donetsk People's Republic". His conclusion from this was that the blood of the dead Ukrainian soldiers rests on Zelenskyy's conscience, because they would have been alive if he agrees to the ceasefire.
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Perm refinery got ACK'd twice in a day:
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looks like its not so perm-anent
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Allegedly 2 Su-57s were hit at the Shagol airbase in Chelyabinsk, along with an Su-34 and one other aircraft of uncertain make:
If true, and even if only lightly damaging them..... LOL.
If true, and even if only lightly damaging them..... LOL.
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and it's not like soldiers on foot are any less vulnerable to drones either
Gurney Halleck
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The most disappointing part about the Nork involvement to me was that they just put them in Russian gear and sent them out to die making them indistinguishable from the average Russo-Asiatic creature at first glance and we never got to see footage of Norks in Nork gear but I suppose real life isn't a video game.
The top story regarding Norks was that they were apparently top gooners, when they had access to free internet for the first time in their lives. Some anecdotes coming from Russian soldiers involved with them telling that they were just constantly jerking off lol.
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It's funny because Nork Gear looks like a fucking video game.
The above units look exactly like something out of a video game where the default camo skin doesn't exactly match the actual colors of the map.
Like bro what is the rendering texture on this legally distinct Not-a-Stryker?
I'm pressing
on this until I see better imagery.