Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Allegedly 2 Su-57s were hit at the Shagol airbase in Chelyabinsk, along with an Su-34 and one other aircraft of uncertain make:
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If true, and even if only lightly damaging them..... LOL.
I'm pressing :optimistic: on this until I see better imagery.
Supposed confirmation via satellite:
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Unless Fighterzizter Eternal Flights these supposed ACK'd Su-57s and Su-34, I'm rating this Ukrainian claim as :optimistic: as well.

Covert Cabal, "Ukraine's MASSIVE Soviet Military - What Remains", May 1, 2026:
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PreserveTube link.
 
A downed Ukrainian FP mothership drone with FPVs and Starlink:

With the amount of zigger sneeding about this particular drone, you'd think they killed a NATO F-22 wearing Ukrainian colors.
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Allegedly 2 Su-57s were hit at the Shagol airbase in Chelyabinsk, along with an Su-34 and one other aircraft of uncertain make:
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If true, and even if only lightly damaging them..... LOL.
:optimistic: but the fact the base is getting hit is pretty lol regardless.


I'm pressing :optimistic: on this until I see better imagery.
You won't see any better imagery. The Su-57 is a stealth fighter, moron.

A downed Ukrainian FP mothership drone with FPVs and Starlink:
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With the amount of zigger sneeding about this particular drone, you'd think they killed a NATO F-22 wearing Ukrainian colors.
:story:
Russia is super excited about recovering that starlink terminal for front-line gooning.

The top story regarding Norks was that they were apparently top gooners, when they had access to free internet for the first time in their lives. Some anecdotes coming from Russian soldiers involved with them telling that they were just constantly jerking off lol.
I mean, you are about to get meatwaved or chechen'd, might as well goon.
 
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Moscow is preparing to recruit at least 18,500 foreigners into Russia's Armed Forces in 2026, Ukraine’s military intelligence agency, known by its Ukrainian acronym HUR, revealed on April 28.

Moscow has been recruiting foreign fighters from developing countries since the start of its full-scale invasion in 2022, often under the guise of soldiers receiving high salaries, benefits, and Russian citizenship. Reports of forced coercion and undue pressure have also been documented in the recruitment of foreigners.

The intelligence report, gathered under the 24-hour "I Want to Live" hotline project which encourages those fighting on Russia's side to surrender to Ukrainian forces, suggests that the Kremlin will primarily seek to target citizens living in Central Asian countries, including Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan.

According to Ukraine's HUR, Russia will also continue to ramp up its recruitment from developing countries in Asia and Africa, focusing recruitment in Bangladesh, Chad, Sudan, and Burundi.

Moscow has provided specific mobilization targets for enlistment officers with an aim of having foreign fighters compose between 0.5% and 3.5% of personnel in any one given area of the front line, depending on the region, HUR reported.

According to the Coordination Headquarters for the Treatment of Prisoners of War, Ukraine has identified 27,407 foreign nationals fighting for Russia in its war against Ukraine as of March 30, up from more than 18,000 in November, with Moscow recruiting them from at least 135 countries.

Earlier in March, the headquarters said nearly half of the foreign fighters it had identified came from Asia, though recruits have also been identified in EU member states, including Italy.

While the full extent of the recruitment efforts are not verifiable, an April 2025 investigation by Russian independent outlet Important Stories identified more than 1,500 foreign fighters from 48 countries who had joined Russia's army.

Foreign Minister Andrii Sybiha said in February that at least 1,780 citizens of various African countries are fighting for Russia.

North Korea remains largest contributor of foreign troops to Russia's war effort, having previously deployed 12,000 troops to aid in a Russian-led counter-offensive in Kursk Oblast.
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Russia funds a horde of fake far right gimps in Europe and the US. One of their supposed positions is nativism, yet in fact Russia is trying to flood Ukraine with a brown horde. Most of the illegal immigration from the east is facilitated by Putin.
 
Apparently also funding real far right gimps for how much verbal deep anal rimming they're doing for Putin and Russia. Which wouldn't matter except a few are in the White House press room.
 
Getting rid of your tanks and APCs/IFVs because muh drones means you're willing to advance at the pace of shank's mare (aka walking). And if armored vehicles are too vulnerable to drones then hey get rid of your artillery and trucks too
Yeeeppp.

"Muh drones beat everything" is only semi realistic in a reenactment of WW1 that Ukraine an Russia are performing. Or as handy 4th Gen ATGM (think Israeli SPIKE) substitute as Hezzbollah is finding out. A FPV guided by a fiber optic line is LITERALLY a slower SPIKE that can hover and be parked if necessary. A wireless FPV is the same except it has more freedom of movement and ceman be jammed. Bo bet drones can be thought of as flying, very accurate, mortars and grenade launchers.
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Two Russian helicopters getting destroyed some 150km from the frontline. The more impressive kill is the Mi-28 HAVOC, which doesn't see as much use as the KA-52.

Also looks like one Ivan was working on the Mi-8 when the raid took place and heroically shielded the engine compartment with his body.

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I'm guessing a drone mother ship launched the little attack drones and another drone was watching the helicopters.


and it's not like soldiers on foot are any less vulnerable to drones either
This. The gun, spear or sword didn't make infantry obsolete.
Supposed confirmation via satellite:
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Unless Fighterzizter Eternal Flights these supposed ACK'd Su-57s and Su-34, I'm rating this Ukrainian claim as :optimistic: as well.

Covert Cabal, "Ukraine's MASSIVE Soviet Military - What Remains", May 1, 2026:
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PreserveTube link.
Even if just a Su-34 was asked.... It's still 1000+ MILES from Ukraine.

Oh and Russia still can't seem to build hangars or HABs....
A downed Ukrainian FP mothership drone with FPVs and Starlink:
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With the amount of zigger sneeding about this particular drone, you'd think they killed a NATO F-22 wearing Ukrainian colors.
:story:
This may literally be the most significant Ukranian drone shoot down by Russian AD in MONTHS lol
 
"Muh drones beat everything" is only semi realistic in a reenactment of WW1 that Ukraine an Russia are performing. Or as handy 4th Gen ATGM (think Israeli SPIKE) substitute as Hezzbollah is finding out. A FPV guided by a fiber optic line is LITERALLY a slower SPIKE that can hover and be parked if necessary. A wireless FPV is the same except it has more freedom of movement and ceman be jammed. Bo bet drones can be thought of as flying, very accurate, mortars and grenade launchers.
With a worse payload.

People who talk up drones as the new solution for everything, forget about what the actual objectives in warfare are. Is the objective in war to kill as many people as you can?

No

It's to take fucking ground. That means infantry, and moving infantry somewhere means APCs. And what is the spearhead of the assault of those units? Tanks.

Tank was supposed to be dead in the 1950s when ATGMs were invented. Then someone realized those ATGMS can be killed too.

We get all the juicy footage of a drone killing a tank. How many tapes were burned before that kill occurred?

Infantry didn't become useless when artillery was invented.
 
The thing that drones do is they basically give a cheaper and widely available alternative to actual purpose built missiles.

There's a dozen reasons why a Tomahawk or Kalibr is much better deep-strike option than what amounts to a small remote controlled airplane with a small bomb attached.
But watching two 3rd world retard factions in Sudan perform long-range deep strikes on each is the real change drones have brought to the table.

I expect drones will always be around but we will likely not see the level of drone saturation that we do in this war for a number of reasons.
 
The thing that drones do is they basically give a cheaper and widely available alternative to actual purpose built missiles.

There's a dozen reasons why a Tomahawk or Kalibr is much better deep-strike option than what amounts to a small remote controlled airplane with a small bomb attached.
But watching two 3rd world retard factions in Sudan perform long-range deep strikes on each is the real change drones have brought to the table.

I expect drones will always be around but we will likely not see the level of drone saturation that we do in this war for a number of reasons.
The big problem is it's given illiterate retards like goat fuckers in Sudan long range strike capability. A similar defensive counter measure is required. Not just ground based but also in the air.

The US Air Force has resisted for almost 30 years now coming up with a modern replacement for the A10, but this drone warfare shit on land and sea makes it abundantly clear we need a low altitude close air support aircraft that can engage slow moving targets on land, sea and air with cheap ammo.
 
The US Air Force has resisted for almost 30 years now coming up with a modern replacement for the A10, but this drone warfare shit on land and sea makes it abundantly clear we need a low altitude close air support aircraft that can engage slow moving targets on land, sea and air with cheap ammo.
USAF already trying with a poison pill prop plane and the U.S. Army have been refusing it
 
USAF already trying with a poison pill prop plane and the U.S. Army have been refusing it
Yeah, because the Army already has helicopters. They dont need turbo props. They need an A10 or a modern replacement. Which they cannot develop because the Air Force has fixed wing aircraft authority by law.

The entire reason the A 10 is still around is because the air force has refused to develop a replacement for it and the Army has refused to let them retire it until they have a replacement.

The Ukraine War was already a manifest example of the need for CAS and the limitations of attack helicopters in that role. The Iran War has been the coda to the Ukraine Wars example.
 
The Ukraine War was already a manifest example of the need for CAS and the limitations of attack helicopters in that role. The Iran War has been the coda to the Ukraine Wars example.

It was already proven during Operation: Iraqi Freedom attack helicopters can't replace fixed wing CAS aircraft. But the USAF and future Lazerpig sycophants told everyone to memory-hole those incidents. Anyone thinks the current Ukraine war is worse then the balloon going up during the Cold War for CAS, strike and SEAD aircraft just proven they have zero credibility. As the expectation back then, there will be zero fighter support for them and the guys on the ground. As every fighter and interceptor is going to be beelining to their opposing counterparts. And the ones who haven't gone full retard would be beelining to the opposing bombers. All the while on the timer of when the nukes are going to be detonating.
 
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Continued depletion of Russian military, economic and demographic assets. I want this war to last another 10 years. Or 20. 30 at most.
That's a means, not an ends. Depletion of their assets in favor of what?

You refer to the Ukranians as "they", and your response to their prospects is "I don't care", so clearly you do not see a happy, prosperous future Ukraine as your desired outcome. This fits neatly with my priors, but it doesn't tell me what benefit you expect to see. Who do you want/expect to be better off as a result of the war, and why?


It's a reasonable guess at the outcome. Let's say it's true and there's really no chance of Ukraine getting their lost land back. Why not ceasefire now? Because Ukraine themselves have already seen what Russia's ceasefires are worth when the world shrugged their shoulders at Russia yoinking Crimea.
The Russian objection to this is that the Ukraine was being prepared as a battering ram against them, and that increasing violence against pro-Russian populations in the East of the region forced them to either intervene or forfeit their own legitimacy. But, supposing that you do not believe the above, "Russia was going to attack the Ukraine again anyways, because they want to take over the whole region" is a start.
The more Russia's military capability is depleted, the lower the odds they'll just try once again in another decade and maybe successfully capture Kiev that time. And with the military and logistical support they're getting this time around (however inadequate it still may be), it's disastrous but still not yet completely ruinous to do so.
This is internally consistent, but it doesn't square with what I've seen. Isn't the Ukraine the side that is currently asking for a ceasefire? The pro-Russian posters I've seen are opposed to one, likewise, because they don't want to give the Ukraine time to rearm. "A ceasefire would benefit Kiev at Moscow's expense" appeared to be a point of common ground.

It seems like Russia is not trying to take Kiev, and it seems like they would be in a worse position to do so if the war ended and they had to try again from scratch later. Do most pro-Ukraine posters disagree with this (the latter part, anyways)? I'd expect it to be believed even more universally here than on the Russian side.

I'd rather not live in a world where one country can just invade and annex another without there being severe consequences.
That's a very abstract reason to support a war, in my view. It feels like the "he crossed state lines" argument in the Rittenhouse case. Certainly, the people using it did not object to Rittenhouse crossing state lines; they objected to him killing or incapacitating three communists, but deflected because killing Joseph Rosenbaum polled very well and crossing state lines was less enthusiastically supported by the focus groups.

Do you support Iran/the Houthis in the Iran War, on the same basis? Are you a 🇺🇦/🇵🇸 poster?

If so, where does legitimate claim come from? Is Taiwan an illegitimate American quasi-annexation of what has always been a part of China, backed by a separatist, collaborator minority (Russia/Donbass, from the 🇺🇦 perspective), or a sovereign region with a right to choose its own allegiances under elections supervised by the power it is aligned with (Russia/Donbass, from the 🇷🇺 perspective)?




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Markov chain bot?



Any case, thanks to the other two posters for giving answers of some kind. Would appreciate clarifications on the above questions.
 
You know even if Russia were the shining Based and Trad beacon on the hill that certain right-wing westerners think it is (it's not), I should point out that a prerequisite for basedness is military prowess, and Russia's invasion of Ukraine is the most pathetic boondoggle in the history of modern warfare.

How can a self-respecting Nazi respect a nation that can't defend itself?

What I'm really getting at here is just drop the fucking Based and Trad schtick, Adolf, and recognize that Putin is a corrupt bully and an abject failure, and through his actions he has lead Russia to its civilizational doom.

If you can't stomach supporting Ukraine because the pussy-hat wearers also do (and I unironically get it if you can't), then just bow out of the discussion entirely. You don't have to have an opinion on everything going on in the world. Don't support a shaved chimpanzee fuckup petty dictator just to 'own the libs.' Christ.
 
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