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I think you'll be hard pressed to find anyone in this thread who hates the fat nigger as much as I do but he was never an irredentist.
In fact he actually said multiple times in his speeches that Ukraine's collapse would be a "brutal disaster" for Hungary. He doesn't NOT want an Ukraine, he just wants a weak, dependent Ukraine firmly in Russia's sphere of interests and outside NATO/EU created by territorial concessions to Russia not by a total military victory.
He had a couple diplomatic oopsies mostly stemming from people from other countries deliberately misunderstanding the cultural significance of "Greater Hungary" symbology. Greater Hungary stickers, scarfs, old maps etc are similar to the confederate flag - it's a bit of a wignat thing if you overdo it, but it's mostly about heritage and history; because you fly the flag it doesn't mean you necessarily want to whip niggers and shoot and stab your fellow countrymen in a brutal civil war again.
Nearby countries are irrationally butthurt about this, Croatia especially can't spend 5 seconds without stomping their feet really hard and reiterating that they were never Hungarian territory, it was just a personal union. Croatians REALLY fucking hate us in recent times, and it's funnily extremely one sided unlike the Slovakia/Romania/Ukraine historical relations.
There's close to 0 support for irredentism among the population, even the most retarded 70 iq spiritually vantablack niggers realize that integrating a territory into the now poorest country into the EU, and that territory being multiple times poorer than the poorest Hungarian gypsyfuck backwater region BEFORE being ravaged by war is probably not a great idea, and that's before we factor in all of this ultimately resulting in us being kicked out of NATO and the EU simultaneously.
There was the spy fiasco in June 2025 but I think that was just Orban and co. selling information to the Russians, it wasn't part of a plan to invade Transcarpathial, don't worry!
Close to 0 is not 0 though so I'll talk about what IS there.
Toroczkai, the leader of the far right party Mi Hazánk (currently has 6 MPs in parliament who might as well be fucking garden gnomes considering TISZA has 2/3 constitutional supermajority so they can't fucking do anything) has advocated for "laying claim to Transcarpathia" multiple times. The party itself has horrible optics- the average 'I just want to grill!' centrist in Hungary thinks MHM is a bunch of retarded flat earther nazis (which isn't very far from the truth), they have never wielded and never will wield any institutional powers.
To be fair you can't blame these retards. I think the way Russian intelligence has infiltrated and turned the Hungarian far-right into Kremlin agents should be taught in books (as a cautionary tale). Toroczkai personally unveiled fucking Soviet statues and renamed streets after Gagarin and shit, inviting Russian (((diplomats))) like Anton Goriev to the ceremony [He was exposed as a GRU military intelligence officer and expelled from Slovakia for espionage].
A little history lesson on how the Hungarian (far) right became pro-Russia despite the heritage of 1848, 1956 and 1989:
Toroczkai and MHM came out of 'Jobbik' originally. Jobbik was founded in 2003, it started becoming super popular and this is when Orban started inching more and more towards right wing politics, stealing their thunder. Seeing this Jobbik decided to quadruple down and they started forming paramilitary anti-gypsy squads (they called it the Hungarian Guard), they started being openly antisemitic and anti-EU/NATO before it was cool. They were OBSESSED with revisionism, much more than anyone in current year and that includes MHM. The voterbase was mostly angry, rural voters who really hated gipsies and felt left behind by the other parties- the record % it got at an election was 20%, MHM currently received ~5.5% in both 2022 and 2026, just for comparison, Jobbik was infinitely more popular; and the most important part: it was quite anti-Russia before it made a sharp turn early on and became pro-Russia overnight.
Pictured: Hungarian Guard, Jobbik's paramilitary wing, banned as a pseudo-terrorist organization since 2009. In 2013 the European Court of Human Right also upheld the ban saying it didn't violate the freedom of association.
Enter Kovács Béla. You might be wondering why the fuck am I writing about the biography of this random Hungarian (now) nobody and this Russian hoe, but please bear with me, I promise it will be good.
Kovács Béla was born in the winter of 1960 in Budapest. His biological mother was a poor Hungarian woman who lived in the countryside. This woman had a secret affair with a Soviet military intelligence officer stationed at a Red Army base in Hungary; the pregnancy was kept a secret (hence the birth happening in Budapest and not in bumfuck nowhere where she lived) and due to pressure from the father the mother gave up the baby into state oprhanage care. Five months old he was adopted by Kovács Béla Sr., who never told him about his true parents until adulthood. Additional fun facts: His birth registry contains textbook signs of KGB erasing traces of compromising evidence (such as an officer fathering a Hungarian child); the birth book was rebound in the 1980s and the father's name is missing, all extremely unusual.
Béla grew up in Tokyo where his father was a janitor in the Hungarian embassy. He attended an American school, learned English, Japanese, life is good. Enter Svetlana Istoshina.
She worked for Japanese public broadcasting as a hostess on a Russian-language TV show. Béla met her in 1979 and they 'fell in love' despite the age difference; Svetlana was almost a decade older than Béla, but even more importantly, at the time unbeknownst to him: she was married. In fact she wasn't just married to some rando, but to Omiya Masanori, who she met while he was working in the Soviet Union. Note: Masanori was working for a Japanese government agency, JICA; his expertise being nuclear power. [Curious.] They are still married to this day since she never divorced him, despite this she married her third active husband, Béla in 1986. Yes, third - after being with Béla for 4 years while still being married to Masanori, she married an Austrian man, Mario Schön (without Béla knowing). Mario Schön was an Austrian mafioso responsible for violent breakins in Vienna and selling heroin and morphine; he also had ties to the KGB [Organized crime in Austria was 'partnered' and infiltrated by the Soviets at the time, Soviet Intelligence assisted with smuggling in exchange for favors] The goal was obviously to get an Austrian passport that says "Svetlana Schön" (which she did). If you didn't pick up on it: Svetlana was a KGB courier. She kept flying all over the place, into Western Europe, Scandinavia, various Asian countries. It was extremely common for agents to marry in order to get another 'alias' and a non-Soviet passport that they can then travel with inconspicously to their heart's content. A Hungarian intelligence officer in Tokyo warned Kovács' adoptive father that Svetlana was working for the Soviets, which he then told his son, who didn't really care. After their marriage in 86 he went to study in the Soviet Union, became fluent in Russian and became a 'businessman'.
The happy couple in a Japanese newspaper from 1975: Omiya Massanori and Svetlana Omiya.
"[...]The couple is living the life of newlyweds in Gamagori. Svetlana is still in school - although she has already earned the credits needed for her degree, she still has to write her thesis. Since this is her top priority right now, she is putting her Japanese studies on hold. Svetlana doesn’t speak Japanese at all yet, so the couple communicates with each other only in Russian. She hardly ever leaves their apartment [except when she's a KGB courier flying to a different country every second day]. In the morning, after her husband leaves for work, she spends her time studying. When she gets tired, she listens to Soviet music. She follows this routine day after day. [...]
[Side note: if you think it's really retarded that they would put a KGB agent on public television: yeah, it is, but it also happened surprisingly often, the KGB really liked publicity as a cover. If the name isn't familiar, Stanislav Levchenko also was a journalist in Tokyo as his cover, he and his wife regularly appeared on the Japanese television as one of the few whities on the island - nobody at the time even remotely suspected him of being a spy. He was a KGB agent who defected to the US in 1979, he was pretty much singlehandedly responsible for raping the KGB's entire spy network in the Japan of the 80s. He was sentenced to death by a Russian court in absentia and Russian KGB agents tied to the Richard Miller case tried to assassinate him, unsuccessfully. ]
After the USSR collapsed he returned to Hungary with his wife, Svetlana as wealthy businesspeople. He joined Jobbik in around 2004-2005, almost instantly taking over their foreign policy due to his international experience and him speaking Japanese and Russian. He was also throwing ridiculous amounts of money at Jobbik, as soon as he joined he became their biggest private donor and almost singlehandedly bankrolled the entire party. He started organizing trips to Moscow for the prominent Jobbik politicians, started introducing them to Russian diplomats, regular meetings with fucking Dugin, founded comically pro-Russia "Eurasian identity" larp organizations and circlejerks like the "Alliance of European National Movements". They also observed the (fake) referendums in Donetsk/Luhansk/Crimea.
Pictured: (at the time) chairman Vona Gábor and Dugin.
The Eurasian bit isn't a joke, it's literally as if Jobbik's narrative was directly written by Dugin, who they openly praised; Vona Gábor has famously declared "I am Eurasian." They pushed the narrative that Hungary is this sacred bridge between the East and the West, they started the Neo-Turanist retardation [FIDESZ took the Neo-Turanism over by the way to this fucking day, this is why we are in the Turkic Council and Orban is best buddies with all these CIS potato shithole-stans], and they wanted an alternative "Eurasian EU" that includes Russia and Turkey. They were also super friendly to Islam (MHM, Jobbik's successor keeps this heritage by being deeply connected to Gulf countries) and to Turkey in particular. To my knowledge Jobbik in this sense is unique, there is no far-right political party in the region that was a similar unholy amalgamation of retarded Duginist ideology/had an infatuation with Islam (despite being anti-migration). Jobbik was regularly doing demonstrations against sanctions on Iran in 2010-11.
-Jobbik chairman "Vona Gábor" in 2013 at a Muslim conference in Turkey representing Jobbik, pledging his faith to Allah in Turkish, despite being a 'devout christian' at the same time. Full video, Here's your based tradcath euro far-right party, sire.
Anyways, back to Kovács Béla. Kovács Béla, starting in 2004, from his early Jobbik days, had a nickname in the party: KGBéla. You don't need to speak Hungarian to understand, but I'll overexplain it: it's as if someone named "Benjamin" was called "KGBenjamin". Politicians were joking that seeing as he comes from Russia, has an infinite money glitch from unknown sources, knows every single Russian diplomat/politician/etc. personally, has a Russian wife he must be a KGB agent hehexd. It took Hungarian counter-intelligence 10 fucking years to realise that the joke wasn't a joke; later he was stripped of immunity, charged with espionage for Russia and sentenced to five years in prison for spying on the EU on behalf of Moscow. He fled to Russia and lives there ever since with his wife, Svetlana, happily, occasionally providing commentary on Hungarian politics on social media.
Kovács Béla wearing a 'Greater Hungary' shirt with Jobbik branding
Back to Jobbik. In the wake of the scandal, one half of Jobbik's leadership (Vona Gábor) said that they need a major shift if they don't want to completely implode. They called this "de-demonization". They need to move towards the center, no more paramilitary larping, no jewhate, no gypsy hate, no islam larping and most importantly no pro-Russia bullshit. At this time Orban was positioning himself closer and closer to Russia anyway, so they didn't even get any extra voters for being the "pro-Russia party" because they weren't the only ones. Two things happened at this point: Orban inched further right yet again, to gobble up the vast majority of disgruntled Jobbik voters who now had their new favorite pro-Russia party; FIDESZ already started being niggers on EU, the Soros bit started ramping up so jew hate was back on the menu aswell, it was meant to be. The other thing that happened was the more radical base of Jobbik seeing the shift to the center as a betrayal. After Jobbik had a super disappointing result in the 2018 elections (despite the circumstances being as favourable for the party as it's ever going to get) there was a power struggle and hardliners like Toroczkai and Dúró were expelled from the party; the Jobbik refugees founded Mi Hazánk Mozgalom and Jobbik just died, the party barely even exists anymore, they couldn't even get the signatures to have a candidate in every electoral region.
TLDR.: Orban isn't an irredentist, he's arguably even worse; he's extremely calculated in his collaboration with the Russians which is why he wants a castrated Ukraine in Russia's orbit, not a wartorn Transcarpathia annexed with every other neighboring country turning up the Hungarophobia to 11 and Hungary being kicked out of most atlantic alliance networks. The actual irredentist retards are Toroczkai's MHM bunch, born out of the unholy wedding of a traitor to Hungary and his KGB honeytrap waifu. Hungary is still paying the price today. If KGBéla hadn’t infiltrated and radicalized Jobbik the way he did, Orbán’s pro-Russia, pro-Turkey, neo-Turan grift probably wouldn’t have as deep a root as it has.
What a fucking mess, glad it's behind us now.
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