ITT We argue about how fatties get fat, why they stay fat, and what they should do instead - It's a mystery! It's an obesity sperging containment thread!

[melty]

I hate fat people, they're stupid

 

[AbraCadaver]

I'll say, without trying to powerlevel too much, that anorexics have the whole "plateau and starvation mode" shit down to a lunatic science, in terms of just getting around it. Whole insane ED "diets" are devoted to fucking with your body's metabolism to defeat any plateauing, etc. See the 2-4-6-8-0 diet (200 cal a day, then 400 the next day, then 600, etc, then back to zero, then start over). They take ice-cold baths to give a slight meta boost to themselves. They do cheat days, but not as a way to reward themselves, but as a way to artificially inflate their caloric intake for one day to confuse the body into thinking it's going to be getting more food regularly and jack its metabolism back up.

I don't know how much of that is solid science, but I've seen the results with people, even in people who have fucked up their poor bodies with constant starving. As much as people whine that their bodies are in staaaaaarrrvation moooooode, there are EASY ways to push through that (also crazy ways, as previously mentioned). But there are ways. And i have to think that if it works on people whose bodies are in a constant state of starvation, it is infinitely easier on someone whose body is regularly being massively overfed.

 

[Dysnomia]

"Muh cundishuns" is another excuse. Followed by "it runs in the family", when the real problem is that nobody runs in your family. Fat parents tend to feed their kids garbage until they get fat too. Then they grow up thinking it's normal to inhale an entire bucket of KFC and a three liter soda by themselves. And then fail to understand how that plus a lack of inactivity makes them fat.

 

[Cheeseburger Picnic]

this just in fatties can't put down the fork

 

[PropaGONDA]

Hey guys, this is a video posted by @Trasha Pay That A$$ from the Amberlynn thread that I'd like to reply to, but would probably do better going here.

I like a good "look at fatty" video as much as the rest of you guys, but I've never heard of this weight loss philosophy before. Basically, this guy is arguing that the way to lose weight is by cutting out meat and dairy, and eating only fruits, vegetables, and high carb foods. So, basically, a low fat diet à la the 90's.

Is this viable? I remember hearing several times over that low fat diets have been debunked. Also, vegetarian diets can still lead to people gaining a lot of weight. Amberlynn had a vegetarian phase and put on something like 20 lbs from it because she couldn't figure out how to efficiently fill up (not really surprising).

So, in short: Snarky video, but do this guy's views on weight loss hold up? It must be working on a personal level for him, but I just haven't heard of it being done this way.

It's the RT4 Diet which is pedalled by Freelee and Durianrider. It seems a lot of vegan youtubers are on this diet. the philosophy around it is eat as much carbs and sugar as you can to kickstart your metabolism, something of the sort. I personally think it's garbage and the guy in the video used to actually be fit, now he's become a blob that he criticizes too.

 

[Broken Pussy]

Hey guys, this is a video posted by @Trasha Pay That A$$ from the Amberlynn thread that I'd like to reply to, but would probably do better going here.

I like a good "look at fatty" video as much as the rest of you guys, but I've never heard of this weight loss philosophy before. Basically, this guy is arguing that the way to lose weight is by cutting out meat and dairy, and eating only fruits, vegetables, and high carb foods. So, basically, a low fat diet à la the 90's.

Is this viable? I remember hearing several times over that low fat diets have been debunked. Also, vegetarian diets can still lead to people gaining a lot of weight. Amberlynn had a vegetarian phase and put on something like 20 lbs from it because she couldn't figure out how to efficiently fill up (not really surprising).

So, in short: Snarky video, but do this guy's views on weight loss hold up? It must be working on a personal level for him, but I just haven't heard of it being done this way.

You could go on a diet of nothing but candy and as long as you eat less calories in candy than your body burns to stay alive, you'll lose weight. You'll probably be a gross, unhealthy wreck of a person, but you will still lose weight. If Amber gained weight eating fruits and vegetables, she did it by eating way more of them than her body needed to burn for energy.

 

[Warden]

You could go on a diet of nothing but candy and as long as you eat less calories in candy than your body burns to stay alive, you'll lose weight. You'll probably be a gross, unhealthy wreck of a person, but you will still lose weight. If Amber gained weight eating fruits and vegetables, she did it by eating way more of them than her body needed to burn for energy.

This right here. I hate how people have twisted weight loss into some complicated mystery with conflicting this, conflicting that between methods. It's calories in, calories out. Personally I think they've turned it into a contradictory mess because they want to blame it on anything but plain old overeating. Anything.

Some positivity: Special diets force you to laser focus on what you're eating, so it can lead to less intake.

 

[PropaGONDA]

The reason why SimonFit is pressed about Amber's"diet" (and every other person he's criticized like Boogie, Joe Best, and the Slaton Sisters) is because they eat meat. He's one of those deluded vegans doing a iteration of the RT4 diet who believes eating 300g of sugar (yes) and 11 bananas in one smoothie meal constitutes as healthy because it's raw carbs (veggies, fruits, and apparently refined sugar) absolutely no animal products ... however, to counteract all this sugar and carbs people on the diet actually need to be working out constantly. Many of them choose to do cycling to burn it all off.

There should be a thread about the Vegan community on Youtube. I think there is a community watch thread. There's so much crap to be dug up about Durianrider and the other whackos from that segment of the internet.

So Simon's advice/rant about Amber eating so much meat and switching to a high-carb, high-sugar fruit and veggies diet is moot because she can't even waddle to clean up after her cats. She has 0 activity except walking to the kitchen and inhaling every food she sees in her vicinity. Then again, he is also right about Amber's crappy and fatty meat diet because she's not even doing keto. She's still gorging on carbs and meat/fat at the same time.

 

[Wallace]

This right here. I hate how people have twisted weight loss into some complicated mystery with conflicting this, conflicting that between methods. It's calories in, calories out. Personally I think they've turned it into a contradictory mess because they want to blame it on anything but plain old overeating. Anything.

Former fatty myself. Used to be 250, now 170.

I agree with @thejackal in that anxious and bored eating is a big driver of obesity, but so is easy access to sugar. A lot of fat people's blood glucose is way out of control with crazy spikes and dips, even before the diabetes kicks in. While "calories in, calories out" is factually correct, it's also like telling an alcoholic to "just stop drinking". Not exactly practical advice.

A good friend of mine is a social worked who specializes in eating disorders. He told me that people who go on diets tend to restrict in the morning and then binge in the evening, and ultimately consumed more calories than normal that way. A better way to look at it would be to "achieve satiety while consuming less calories". Sugar gives you a very good high, but it doesn't satiate you for long and is very calorie-dense. Vegetables, on the other hand, are more filling for fewer calories, so you reach satiety with less calories consumed.

If a diet feels like a chore or a punishment, you're not going to stick with it for long. If you want to lose weight, you need to be willing to take a good, hard look at your lifestyle and see what needs to be changed. Odds are, something is driving you to overheat, and you need to be honest with yourself if you want to treat that. The most damaging and insidious lies are the ones we tell ourselves.

 

[Warden]

Former fatty myself. Used to be 250, now 170.

I agree with @thejackal in that anxious and bored eating is a big driver of obesity, but so is easy access to sugar. A lot of fat people's blood glucose is way out of control with crazy spikes and dips, even before the diabetes kicks in. While "calories in, calories out" is factually correct, it's also like telling an alcoholic to "just stop drinking". Not exactly practical advice.

A good friend of mine is a social worked who specializes in eating disorders. He told me that people who go on diets tend to restrict in the morning and then binge in the evening, and ultimately consumed more calories than normal that way. A better way to look at it would be to "achieve satiety while consuming less calories". Sugar gives you a very good high, but it doesn't satiate you for long and is very calorie-dense. Vegetables, on the other hand, are more filling for fewer calories, so you reach satiety with less calories consumed.

If a diet feels like a chore or a punishment, you're not going to stick with it for long. If you want to lose weight, you need to be willing to take a good, hard look at your lifestyle and see what needs to be changed. Odds are, something is driving you to overheat, and you need to be honest with yourself if you want to treat that. The most damaging and insidious lies are the ones we tell ourselves.

Congrats on the weight loss!

I think we are talking about different things, food addiction versus poor choices. Of course a different method is required when there's an addiction, I agree with you. What I mean is regular folks living their lives not understanding why they're getting fat.

 

[Wallace]

Congrats on the weight loss!

I think we are talking about different things, food addiction versus poor choices. Of course a different method is required when there's an addiction, I agree with you. What I mean is regular folks living their lives not understanding why they're getting fat.

Thank you. I wouldn't discount willful ignorance so quickly though. If it were that simple, more people would lose weight simply by learning how to make better choices. Everyone wants to feel better, but no one wants to get better.

 

[r00]

If you're overweight, then you might just be a little bit lazy, or overindulgent, which isn't great but ultimately who cares, just as long as you don't bitch about it. But if you are carrying the weight of three people, then there is something seriously wrong there.
Food addiction is just as real as any other addiction and its got to be a bitch to deal with because its not a physical dependency in the same way that meth is, but its not like food addicts can totally stop eating, so abstinence is out of the question. Decent addiction services that offer therapy and counselling are expensive, and almost all of them operate on the understanding that the service user cant handle their chosen tipple, so its for the best if they just don't do it at all. So the only advice they really get is "try not to eat so much", and if they could do that then they wouldn't be 500lb monsters. That's why it must be difficult. If there's nobody there to keep an eye on a chronic over-eater, then mealtimes would be like dropping a gambling addict off at a casino and telling them they're allowed to play one hand of poker, then they have to leave on their own.
I do feel bad for the super obese. They are all on a slow, waddling march towards self-destruction, and they get even less respect and social care than crackheads.

 

[escapegoat]

Basically, this guy is arguing that the way to lose weight is by cutting out meat and dairy, and eating only fruits, vegetables, and high carb foods. So, basically, a low fat diet à la the 90's.

Is this viable? I remember hearing several times over that low fat diets have been debunked. Also, vegetarian diets can still lead to people gaining a lot of weight.

It really is CICO. You can literally eat any combination of foods and lose weight, so long as you stay under a certain amount of calories. You can lose weight on fruits, veggies, and carbs.

Or Twinkies and Doritos. (because he stuck to 1800 cal): http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html

McDonald's Only version of the same: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/teacher-loses-40-pounds-mcdonalds-diet-30906410

Honestly, I think the issue is hinted at in Mr. Low Fat and explicit in the WW complaint in the OP. So-called "free" vegetables. The thing is that it's easier, for some people, if they have a food that they can gorge on if they want. It's just that the food needs to be low-sugar vegetables--they have the highest volume (so you feel like you gorged, of in the case of raw veggies, you get a lot of psychologically satisfying chew-time) for the lowest calorie count. But 1.) vegetables aren't all created equal, and 2.) they still have calories. So, even that little headgame isn't foolproof.

 

[Ruin]

Soda I'm completely serious I lost twenty pounds after quitting it entirely and my cousin lost almost sixty. I'm convinced that shit is some of the worse non drug poison you can put in your body.

 

[multiverse]

Soda I'm completely serious I lost twenty pounds after quitting it entirely and my cousin lost almost sixty. I'm convinced that shit is some of the worse non drug poison you can put in your body.

It's just liquid calories, that's why people lose so much when they stop drinking soda - but the loss stops at however many calories in soda you were consuming about your normal daily calorie intake (i.e. the number you can consume without getting bigger than you are now.)

The same effect will happen with juices and smoothies. Think they're healthy? Think again. They're just as sugar filled as soda, and just as, if not more, calorie dense.

 

[[Insert Meme Here]]

It's just liquid calories, that's why people lose so much when they stop drinking soda - but the loss stops at however many calories in soda you were consuming about your normal daily calorie intake (i.e. the number you can consume without getting bigger than you are now.)

The same effect will happen with juices and smoothies. Think they're healthy? Think again. They're just as sugar filled as soda, and just as, if not more, calorie dense.

As a general rule, anything that isn't water (and to some extent, tea, assuming you haven't added anything like sugar to it) is going to have calories, just like food. Coffee is a surprisingly big killer in this department, even if they manage to kick soda and beer, both of which have huge amounts of calories-and it's easy to consume a crazy amount of them in a given day. It's why I basically just drink water these days.

You can literally eat any combination of foods and lose weight, so long as you stay under a certain amount of calories. You can lose weight on fruits, veggies, and carbs.

This is true, but this can also be misleading: you still should eat foods that are vaguely nutritious. Women also benefit from eating red meat more than men do.

"Eating healthy" is more about having a little bit of everything than having a bunch of any one thing. It's actually a good idea to eat (dark) chocolate at least once a week, since cocoa does good things for you. Protein, which is easily gained in large amounts by eating eggs or beans, is the thing that makes people feel full the fastest, so eating a diet relatively high in protein should curb most peoples' appetites. But "easy" food, junk food, is completely void of protein, yet full of calories. It's like protein is a bag of rock and junk food is a bag of feathers-which is going to need the bigger bag before it weighs 10lbs?

Someone earlier wondered about cutting out the fat in your diet, but honestly, unless you have a heart condition, the fat content doesn't matter as much as the calories (though this sort of goes hand in hand).

 

[multiverse]

Someone earlier wondered about cutting out the fat in your diet, but honestly, unless you have a heart condition, the fat content doesn't matter as much as the calories (though this sort of goes hand in hand).

Fat makes you feel more full as well. Most fat-free and low fat products make you feel hungry again soon after (plus they add sugar to make up the difference.)

It's better to just food with real fat / butter / sugar / whatever in small amounts than diet products, they make you feel full so you don't gorge on more food.

 

[D.Va]

Soda I'm completely serious I lost twenty pounds after quitting it entirely and my cousin lost almost sixty. I'm convinced that shit is some of the worse non drug poison you can put in your body.

It's a shame that coke zéro gives you diarrhoea because otherwise it's a wonderful invention

(lol word filters)

 

[Warden]

It's a shame that coke zéro gives you diarrhoea because otherwise it's a wonderful invention

(lol word filters)

No it doesn't? You should get that checked.

 

[Erica]

No it doesn't? You should get that checked.

Actually it isn't an uncommon side effect. A lot of sugar replacements can cause diarrhea. Obviously this doesn't happen to every single person, but you can find similar reports of when people consume sugar free popsicles for example.

So if you are someone who has diarrhea after consuming artificial sweeteners you should probably avoid them.