ITT We argue about how fatties get fat, why they stay fat, and what they should do instead - It's a mystery! It's an obesity sperging containment thread!

[Sable]

Drinking diet soda isn't exactly healthy, but unless you're one of those people for whom diet soda causes you to void your bowels it's better than regular soda for losing weight. That does remind me of a lot of the horror stories told about sugar free sweets, usually the gummy sort.

Obviously water or whatever is better, but some people have a crippling addiction to soda, so I guess it's better for them if they have diet if they absolutely feel they can't live without it- though drinking that much soda can be often evidence of worse things, and you often get obese people order huge meals at fast food places but have it with a diet drink.

Anyway, a lot of the problems with diets stem from a number of tests done in the 50's (IIRC) which demonized fats more than other things.

Whilst fats aren't the best, as has been mentioned earlier they keep you feeling fuller for longer than sugars do, so when combined with the calorie denseness of lots of sugary things it's easy for people to become really fat.

 

[AnOminous]

Actually it isn't an uncommon side effect. A lot of sugar replacements can cause diarrhea. Obviously this doesn't happen to every single person, but you can find similar reports of when people consume sugar free popsicles for example.

Or the notorious sugar-free gummi bears. It's mainly sugar alcohols used as artificial sweeteners responsible for this, although nearly anything that is literally indigestible is going to tend to take a fast path through the digestive system which has no use for it.

 

[ICametoLurk]

Actually it isn't an uncommon side effect. A lot of sugar replacements can cause diarrhea. Obviously this doesn't happen to every single person, but you can find similar reports of when people consume sugar free popsicles for example.

So if you are someone who has diarrhea after consuming artificial sweeteners you should probably avoid them.

If you eat too much sugar free candy or sugar free pancake syrup you're be in pain for hours from bloating.

 

[DogDogDog]

I know someone who is obesse/fairly overweight . She is the only person that i can think of to be a kind of a justified fatty. she suffers from fibromyalgia which is full body pain(to put it simply). before she developed it she was an athlete and enjoyed sports. but even walking causes her to feel great pain now days.

Then again, i also know a paraplegic lady who suffers great discomfort and pain almost 24/7. Shes not obeast and still exercises despite pain.

I guess some medical conditions can cause you to become a fatty... maybe

 

[Erica]

I know someone who is obesse/fairly overweight . She is the only person that i can think of to be a kind of a justified fatty. she suffers from fibromyalgia which is full body pain(to put it simply). before she developed it she was an athlete and enjoyed sports. but even walking causes her to feel great pain now days.

Then again, i also know a paraplegic lady who suffers great discomfort and pain almost 24/7. Shes not obeast and still exercises despite pain.

I guess some medical conditions can cause you to become a fatty... maybe

Actually pain should not prevent you from losing weight as long as you stick to a diet low enough in calories. Pain is a deterrent to exercise but exercise is not the only thing you need to do to lose weight.

Though yes, I did see overweight patients with chronic pain who still exercised despite issues. Losing weight is difficult but by no means impossible unless you're one of the incredibly unlucky few with a disorder that actually prevents you from losing weight.

 

[Dysnomia]

As a general rule, anything that isn't water (and to some extent, tea, assuming you haven't added anything like sugar to it) is going to have calories, just like food. Coffee is a surprisingly big killer in this department, even if they manage to kick soda and beer, both of which have huge amounts of calories-and it's easy to consume a crazy amount of them in a given day. It's why I basically just drink water these days.

This is true, but this can also be misleading: you still should eat foods that are vaguely nutritious. Women also benefit from eating red meat more than men do.

"Eating healthy" is more about having a little bit of everything than having a bunch of any one thing. It's actually a good idea to eat (dark) chocolate at least once a week, since cocoa does good things for you. Protein, which is easily gained in large amounts by eating eggs or beans, is the thing that makes people feel full the fastest, so eating a diet relatively high in protein should curb most peoples' appetites. But "easy" food, junk food, is completely void of protein, yet full of calories. It's like protein is a bag of rock and junk food is a bag of feathers-which is going to need the bigger bag before it weighs 10lbs?

Someone earlier wondered about cutting out the fat in your diet, but honestly, unless you have a heart condition, the fat content doesn't matter as much as the calories (though this sort of goes hand in hand).

I put cream in coffee. But never sugar. It's gross with sugar. I think it's ok as long as I don't use huge amounts. I don't know how people suck down that liquid candy at Starbucks. I see people getting these huge drinks with whipped cream and they drink them like it's nothing. People are drinking them every day and wondering why they are gaining weight.

There's a soda tax here. So I drink La Croix. But when I drink something carbonated I feel way too full for a long time and don't want anything. So how do people drink a whole giant big gulp with fast food and not feel like they'll explode? I guess you gotta stretch your stomach over a period of time pigging out. Overall I drink mainly water or plain tea. It's ok to have a soda or something calorie heavy on occasion. But I think it got worse when these things went from being treats to everyday beverages.

I was wondering about the red meat thing. When I'm on my period I want red meat a lot. But seldom care for it otherwise.

 

[BIG DADDY]

Drinking diet soda isn't exactly healthy, but unless you're one of those people for whom diet soda causes you to void your bowels it's better than regular soda for losing weight.

Every single study that has come out that hasn't been paid for by the Coca-cola company has shown otherwise:

http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20050613/drink-more-diet-soda-gain-more-weight

Basically, diet soda drinkers have a higher obesity rate than even regular soda drinkers. A scientific study came out a while ago that found that an aspartame breakdown product inhibits an enzyme in the gut that is important for food digestion and is correlated with prevention of metabolic syndrome:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27997218/

There have also been hypotheses that artificial sugars in general may contribute to type 2 diabetes by messing with blood sugar levels, because of signals from the tongue that happen when the body thinks it's getting sugar and then it doesn't.

Fatties just need to drink water, if you're so addicted to sugar that you can't go a meal without drinking it or something that tricks you into thinking you're getting it then there's something very wrong with your relationship with food and you need to make some changes.

 

[[Insert Meme Here]]

Overall I drink mainly water or plain tea. It's ok to have a soda or something calorie heavy on occasion. But I think it got worse when these things went from being treats to everyday beverages.

100% accurate. Carbonation does make people feel fuller, but if you've stretched your stomach too much the bubbling no longer affects you.

I was wondering about the red meat thing. When I'm on my period I want red meat a lot. But seldom care for it otherwise.

Period = blood loss. Blood loss = iron deficiency. Iron deficiency = need more red meat. This is also why women are so much more likely to be anemic than men.

Basically, diet soda drinkers have a higher obesity rate than even regular soda drinkers. A scientific study came out a while ago that found that an aspartame breakdown product inhibits an enzyme in the gut that is important for food digestion and is correlated with prevention of metabolic syndrome:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27997218/

There have also been hypotheses that artificial sugars in general may contribute to type 2 diabetes by messing with blood sugar levels, because of signals from the tongue that happen when the body thinks it's getting sugar and then it doesn't.

There's also the placebo factor to consider, in that "I'm drinking something healthy which means that I can drink two instead of one."

 

[purrings]

Soda I'm completely serious I lost twenty pounds after quitting it entirely and my cousin lost almost sixty. I'm convinced that shit is some of the worse non drug poison you can put in your body.

How fast did it take you to lose twenty pounds if all you did was quit soda? I hear so many people say that, but I don't understand how you don't just retain the pounds from the soda. How much of your calorie intake would have been soda? O.O

 

[[Insert Meme Here]]

How fast did it take you to lose twenty pounds if all you did was quit soda? I hear so many people say that, but I don't understand how you don't just retain the pounds from the soda. How much of your calorie intake would have been soda? O.O

The average calorie intake for an adult female is about ~1500 calories a day to be a healthy weight. One can of Pepsi is 150 calories. Soda doesn't satiate thirst very well, so a person who drinks only soda (as many people do) will need more soda to stop feeling thirsty than if they drank water. If you drink two Pepsi in a day (one per meal) then that is 20% of your caloric intake for the day from two drinks alone.

The problem with soda is that it adds up, because it doesn't fill people, so they end up drinking 5 cans worth of soda in a day as opposed to a reasonable amount. They don't view it as calories.

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/02/health/biggest-loser-weight-loss.html

Here's one of the most interesting recent studies conducted about why people who have been obese have a difficult time keeping weight off in the long term. The resting metabolism of Biggest Loser contestants was tabulated. Essentially, to maintain their new weight, they'd end up with a caloric intake similar to actual anorexics (under 1000 a day). It's pretty difficult in a food-saturated culture to maintain that. It's still CICO, but their resting metabolism is so efficient that it can keep them running on a caloric quantity that would starve a regular person.

 

[Warden]

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/02/health/biggest-loser-weight-loss.html

Here's one of the most interesting recent studies conducted about why people who have been obese have a difficult time keeping weight off in the long term. The resting metabolism of Biggest Loser contestants was tabulated. Essentially, to maintain their new weight, they'd end up with a caloric intake similar to actual anorexics (under 1000 a day). It's pretty difficult in a food-saturated culture to maintain that. It's still CICO, but their resting metabolism is so efficient that it can keep them running on a caloric quantity that would starve a regular person.

I read most of the article. Look at this paragraph:

His slow metabolism is part of the problem, and so are his food cravings. He opens a bag of chips, thinking he will have just a few. “I’d eat five bites. Then I’d black out and eat the whole bag of chips and say, ‘What did I do?’”

Are we sure it isn't just the permanence of habitual overeating? Until we see logs of their actual food intake, I will not believe their claims. I bet they still eat 3000 calories a day without realizing.

 

[[Insert Meme Here]]

Here's one of the most interesting recent studies conducted about why people who have been obese have a difficult time keeping weight off in the long term. The resting metabolism of Biggest Loser contestants was tabulated. Essentially, to maintain their new weight, they'd end up with a caloric intake similar to actual anorexics (under 1000 a day).

I feel like we should note here that The Biggest Loser uses a very drastic and frankly unrealistic for the layperson method to achieve their weight loss. It's like the body starts to withdrawal, similar to a drug addict. If the average person tapers their habits off slowly (which is generally shown to be the best method for weight loss to be maintained long term) I'm sure it wouldn't be near as extreme.

 

[Erica]

I'm also doubting the 1000 calories a day number. That's resting for someone with PWS which is a very extreme disorder, and perhaps one of the few that gives one an excuse to not lose weight on their own. The disorder, while never allowing those afflicted to feel full, also affects ones muscle mass so that they do not burn as many calories as they move.

This also contradicts bariatric diets that require you to eat between 800 to 1200 calories per day. Anyone that wasn't on the most extreme version of the diet shouldn't lose weight according to those measurements, but they do.

Probably just overeating as is with most people who become fat.

 

[hotcheetospuffs]

didn't know where else to put this, but damn...

 

[kaiwaii]

Obesity to the level of the Slaton's and ALR even in western society is rare. For the people the end up like this it's a combination of low intelligence and addiction to food.

In terms of the average person getting heavier in the west in comparison to 40 years ago I believe that has a lot to do with a change in activity and cooking habits. More people are sedentary and are no longer cooking for themselves or their families.

 

[Ouija Board]

I honestly do think that there are other factors to obesity other than overeating. Things like genetics, medications, thyroid issues, other medical issues etc. I don't rule out overeating but I do think that obesity is much more complicated than we think.

Everyone talks about having a good diet but what about the poor? I believe that there is a study that shows that obesity is higher among the poor and being in that class myself, I see it often. Poor people don't have access to fresh fruits and vegetables as more upper middle class people can. Though there seems to be an effort to make food more accessible to the poor, but also many of the poor may be working two jobs and don't have time to cook a nutritious meal. Most are also nutrition ignorant and really may not know where to start. I don't even know. There is so much on the Internet that it is confusing. Also, many can't afford to go to a gym and some live in crime ridden areas that they don't want to walk around.

Sugar, the things said about sugar is true. It is addictive and there was a study that was done that shows that sugar affects the same area in the brain as cocaine does. This probably explains why so many fat people drink or eat so much sugar. Powerleveling here but I am addicted to pop and sugary stuff despite having a strong family link to diabetes and I know I need to stop. It is hard because I love pop when I eat my meals, it is so refreshing and cleansing. I am wondering if milk would be better at meals.

I want to be healthier but it is hard as I don't necessarily have the means being on the damn government dole. I will look into what is available. Also, one big thing... and this maybe a problem for a lot of obese people who are thinking of losing weight... is that I need motivation, someone to motivate me.

Ok, sorry about the powerleveling but I hope this gives some clues or insights about why obesity happens and someone who is a small fat.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

I honestly do think that there are other factors to obesity other than overeating. Things like genetics, medications, thyroid issues, other medical issues etc. I don't rule out overeating but I do think that obesity is much more complicated than we think.

Everyone talks about having a good diet but what about the poor? I believe that there is a study that shows that obesity is higher among the poor and being in that class myself, I see it often. Poor people don't have access to fresh fruits and vegetables as more upper middle class people can. Though there seems to be an effort to make food more accessible to the poor, but also many of the poor may be working two jobs and don't have time to cook a nutritious meal. Most are also nutrition ignorant and really may not know where to start. I don't even know. There is so much on the Internet that it is confusing. Also, many can't afford to go to a gym and some live in crime ridden areas that they don't want to walk around.

Sugar, the things said about sugar is true. It is addictive and there was a study that was done that shows that sugar affects the same area in the brain as cocaine does. This probably explains why so many fat people drink or eat so much sugar. Powerleveling here but I am addicted to pop and sugary stuff despite having a strong family link to diabetes and I know I need to stop. It is hard because I love pop when I eat my meals, it is so refreshing and cleansing. I am wondering if tard cum would be better at meals.

I want to be healthier but it is hard as I don't necessarily have the means being on the damn government dole. I will look into what is available. Also, one big thing... and this maybe a problem for a lot of obese people who are thinking of losing weight... is that I need motivation, someone to motivate me.

Ok, sorry about the powerleveling but I hope this gives some clues or insights about why obesity happens and someone who is a small fat.

I'm willing to believe genetics, thyroid issues, medications, etc., make you hungry. But I'm not willing to believe they make you fat. Calories are energy. If you don't use that energy, where is it going to go? Nowhere but on you. You don't need fresh fruits or exercise to be thin: you just need to consume fewer calories than you expend. You still won't be healthy, but you won't be fat.

Why don't you drink diet soda? I drink way too much Diet Coke, because it's delicious. I know I've read things saying it causes insulin spikes blah blah blah, but it obviously has fewer calories than regular. Or you could try seltzer, it has carbonation and flavor but no caffeine or aspartame or calories.

 

[Ouija Board]

I'm willing to believe genetics, thyroid issues, medications, etc., make you hungry. But I'm not willing to believe they make you fat. Calories are energy. If you don't use that energy, where is it going to go? Nowhere but on you. You don't need fresh fruits or exercise to be thin: you just need to consume fewer calories than you expend. You still won't be healthy, but you won't be fat.

Why don't you drink diet soda? I drink way too much Diet Coke, because it's delicious. I know I've read things saying it causes insulin spikes blah blah blah, but it obviously has fewer calories than regular. Or you could try seltzer, it has carbonation and flavor but no caffeine or aspartame or calories.

Probably so, I don't know much about certain medications and the effects it has on the regulation of hunger but I do know that Seroquel does make you crave sugar like crazy, so perhaps there is some disruption or over production of ghrelin, the hormone that makes you hungry, versus leptin, which is the one that makes you full. I think certain foods do mess with those hormones and thus our weight.

Here is a layman explanation of the hormones and weight. It's not really a great one but I think it explains what I am trying to convey: http://www.precisionnutrition.com/leptin-ghrelin-weight-loss There also was a study that showed that obese people have higher than normal ghrelin levels but I can't seem to find that one right now, also the one where those with the FTO genetic mutations crave higher caloric foods.

I actually have a few diet pop brands that I like and I will get those again, also there is something called ICE which is sparkling water, they are expensive and such so I can't really get those but they are delicious.

 

[multiverse]

Delicious, calorie free, potable water comes out the taps basically for free all over the developed world. I suggest only drinking that before suspecting the dread 'genetics' of causing fat.