ITT We argue about how fatties get fat, why they stay fat, and what they should do instead - It's a mystery! It's an obesity sperging containment thread!

[cow4prez2024]

Am I the only person who gets triggered whenever people say "weight loss journey". It sounds so fucking pretentious and self-important lol, just put down the fucking cheeseburgers sometime, there you've reached the end of your journey

It's an easy way to continue being complacent, disguised as radical self-acceptance. Like oh yeah, I binged six times today, but it's okay because it's all just part of my journey, no one's journey is the same, stop judging guise, blah blah.

 

[ThisWillBeFun]

"Journey" gag.
Sick of that nonsense. The journey of your entire life led you to almost 400 pounds Chantal -you don't get a pass on being a decent person because of that.

But go ahead & continue down the same road that led to your 400 pounds. Only wanting to hear praise instead of the truth. It's worked for you so far. Maybe you too can hit 500 like Amber. This is where you're headed.

 

[Gawdamit]

'weigh loss journey' 'food addiction' 'binge eating disorder', its all a crock of shit. Use some self control woman or stay fat for the rest of your life. Make up your fucking mind. These fatties all walk the same walk and talk the same talk. I wish she would film herself on a real binge so I can see how much of a pig she is

 

[They_all_float]

Also, I don't advocate Keto or removing a food group entirely, but in Chantal's case, every single carb counts. She really needs to lay off the potatoes for a good while.

The thing is, carbohydrates are not actually a food group. You have essential proteins, essential fatty acids, and essential vitamins & minerals, but there is no such thing as essential carbohydrates. I'm not saying everyone should be on low carb/keto but carbs definitely are not necessary for human health. They were, in primitive times, necessary for survival though and I'll briefly explain that in a minute.

In Chantal's case she would need to cut carbs out altogether because she clearly can't control herself. When she allows herself even a little, she just wants more and more. Which actually is just most people when it comes to carbs. I know a lot of people can control their carb intake but it's a hard thing to do because of the way our bodies are set up.

This is where carbs were necessary for human survival in primitive times. We had to have a way to survive during times of food scarcity. Carbs were somewhat easily obtained with little energy expended, and they trigger our bodies to store fat because fat is a very slow burning and highly effective fuel. Good to have during the times of food scarcity. But when we eat carbs our bodies continue to crave the carbs and that was just a way to ensure that we would get enough fat stores to survive on.

The bad part about this for modern humans is that there is no off switch to the carb cravings, because in primitive times the off switch was just the food running out. Most modern humans have no shortage of food and with no off switch for carb cravings, it kind of screws us. Except for those who have much stronger willpower and are basically able to ignore what our bodies are just doing instinctively.

Sorry I know we're not supposed to be "giving Chantal advice" but this carb/keto thing seems to be mentioned here a fair bit. Plus I'm pretty positive she won't use any information from here anyways.

 

[multiverse]

I've always wondered about feeders. What do they get off on? I mean, they get turned on watching someone get fat and die?

The control. Some like to feed until the victim is immobile and totally under their control, eating when the feeder sets trays down, at their mercy to move, bathe, and use the bathroom.

Others simply get off on the largebess of their bodies, and like to control the process of how it happens.

Check out the episode of My 600 Lb Life with Zazlyn in it. Her husband is a feeder she met thru NAFTA. She had a genuinely beautiful face and feeders would fly her all over the world to spend time with her, which is how she met her husband. When she's frustrated with how ill she is, and how she can't hardly move any more and can't care for their daughter, she is totally alone in the process of getting help. Not only does her husband refuse to aid her getting better in any way, he actively tried to sabatoge her efforts bt refusing to get her anything but treat and fat food feasts post surgery, and constantly talked shit about how awful she looked losing weight and how much he hated it, and told her she'd fail. It's a perfect example of what happens to a feeder when his feedee object asserts independence. They're into control, and objectify the object of their fetish.

 

[sixcarbchiligorl]

From a formerly 400lbs guy, let be tell you that you're not addicted to food, you're addicted to the high of eating.

What's the difference? Just semantics, no? What's the difference between being addicted to heroin or the high of shooting up? Nicotine or smoking cigarettes?


Watching through past videos I've discovered that Bibi's real name is something like Milan. Malan? Something close to that. Pete's real name is James or Jamie. Just FYI.

 

[NQ 952]

What's the difference? Just semantics, no? What's the difference between being addicted to heroin or the high of shooting up? Nicotine or smoking cigarettes?


Watching through past videos I've discovered that Bibi's real name is something like Milan. Malan? Something close to that. Pete's real name is James or Jamie. Just FYI.

Nah, my point is that the type of food didn't matter to me, in the long run, as long as it was something I could stuff down my mouth it made me happy.

 

[Man vs persistent rat]

Fasting is a *terrible* way to lose weight in general, not only is it mentally taxing, but it's not even a diet. A diet by definition needs to be sustainable. The Greeks had it right when they coined the phrase to mean "a way of living", referring to a holistic method of structuring life.

 

[BerriesArnold]

On the contrary, fasting is good for not only losing weight but for fixing metabolisms from long-term low-cal dieting. IF. DONE. RIGHT. I'm not going to bring my sob story into this, but just know that it helped me personally greatly.

It's the best thing for type2 diabetics as it lowers insulin, boosts metabolism and regulates blood sugar. In theory, it would be a great path for Chantal to follow, but if done incorrectly (constantly refeeding on sugar and insulin spiking foods), it won't do her any good. So fasting is good. But you need to know why and how it works physiologically. The only mentally taxing part is the practice of willpower. But after a few days, people feel mental clarity, zero hunger, and emotional highs.

 

[Man vs persistent rat]

That definitely sounds like something that should be overseen by a professional (or at least following a rigorous plan) - I'd consider it a treatment rather than a lifestyle adjustment. Has Chantal ever seriously pursued medical help? I only know about her avoiding doing anything with her cysts.

I agree if it's a prescribed or overseen treatment fasting could work, but when done by an individual on their own volition, most would end up with bad results (relapses, binges). Perhaps I'm overexposed to people like Chantal, who clearly are incapable of any feat of willpower.

 

[BerriesArnold]

Absolutely. Any type of fasting needs to be overseen and given the ok by a physician. (We all know how much Chantal loves to see the doc lol) So it would work great for Chantal...but she needs to absolutely stop the gorging and binging if she's going down that path or else she'll just regain again.

I agree, when it comes to ANY "diet" the biggest determinant of your success is willpower. Which, unfortunately, is not her strong suit.

 

[fatfuck]

fasting is nothing but a trick to eat less since your window for eating is small and there is only so much (proper healthy food) you can eat at a time before feeling full. there is no magic involved in it. people who claim otherwise are spewing bullshit. the body ultimately doesn't care if it gets its calories it needs in a few hours or throughout the day.

the body will always use the nutrition in the same order: instantly use it as energy for vital things to keep you going if needed, repair damage done to body which is an 24/7 process, and finally store it as fat for later use when needed. depending on the feeding window and the amount of calories you need, you might store it more as fat but that fat will get burned during your fasting hours anyway if you are a normal active person.

the problem with fasting is that fat people have completely lost the ability to feel full, not to mention they eat garbage food which is super heavy on calories and has you hungry again an hour later. fasting won't do shit for someone like chantal for these reasons. if anything, she will only gain weight on it because she will overeat in those times.

she is stuck in an endless cycle due to her stupidity. she tries and sticks to a diet for some days to make progress then binges and nullifies all of that progress + gains extra weight.

what is it with fat people and their inability to grasp that in order to lose weight all you have to do is EAT LESS THAN YOUR BODY REQUIRES? is it the sheer simplicity of this that makes it unbelievable to them?

 

[Man vs persistent rat]

I've encountered perfectly nice and reasonable people who sperg out when dieting. I remember a guy who was following the whole "snack on watermelon" thing throwing his toys out of the pram and eating a whole tub of ice cream when he plateaued on the scales. Food rage affects even otherwise balanced and perceptive people, and Chantal really is doomed given how poorly she has curated her own personality.

 

[BerriesArnold]

You both are correct. In theory, fasting would be a fantastic tool for Chantal, but in practice?? Forget about it. People like Chantal are able to down a full 5000cals in one sitting without so much as even noticing. She's been eating crap for so long that her stomach has to be the size of a watermelon and her satiety signals must be completely fucked up at this point. She would be the type to do one meal per day fasting...but eat 5000cals of crap in that small span of time. Which is why it's dangerous for morbidly obese people with no foundation of knowledge of what they're eating. She has this pathetic habit of hiding from others when she eats. The problem is that the scales don't lie. She can't hide her binges from her body. And that drives her crazy.

So as discussed before, ANY "diet" is successful 100% due to willpower. She really doesn't have the knowledge of portions yet to stop counting calories.

 

[anti_fat_bitch]

Speaking of Kathy Curry, here's a video she just put out regarding Jabba:

Why would anyone take a fat persons advice on how to lose weight? -.-

 

[JaneThough]

Why would anyone take a fat persons advice on how to lose weight? -.-

Kathy Curry has lost a bunch of weight. IIRC, she's lost around 100lbs? I'll take the weight loss advice of a fatty who's losing over a naturally thin person who's never had to.

 

[Princess Ariel]

Kathy Curry has lost a bunch of weight. IIRC, she's lost around 100lbs? I'll take the weight loss advice of a fatty who's losing over a naturally thin person who's never had to.

No such thing as a “naturally” thin person. If they started to eat like Chantal or Kathy they’d be fat too. Take the habits of the thin person, not the advice of a fatty.

 

[JaneThough]

No such thing as a “naturally” thin person. If they started to eat like Chantal or Kathy they’d be fat too. Take the habits of the thin person, not the advice of a fatty.

If a fatty loses a lot of weight, their advice to another fatty is way more appropriate than advice from someone who does not have the same life experience. People like Kathy take away the excuse other fattys (i.e. Chantal & AL) have that "It's too hard, I'm built to be big, it's not meant for me, no one understands what it's like to be this way, etc." It's important that people like her are out there sharing what works for her and showing others that it can be done.

That said, we're not a "hate all fattys!" site. I give Kathy Curry a lot of credit, it's not easy to lose the amount of weight she has, starting at the weight she did, all the while putting it out there on YouTube where we.ens will laugh at her just for being fat. She's doing good for her, and she is calling out bitches like Chantal. If Chantal were to listen to what Kathy had to say, she would possibly gain some good advice and maybe be able to turn her own life around. But she won't, and that's why this thread will never die.

 

[easyaf]

No such thing as a “naturally” thin person. If they started to eat like Chantal or Kathy they’d be fat too. Take the habits of the thin person, not the advice of a fatty.

I would also add to the point @JaneThough is making that there are certain physical/chemical differences between obese and healthy weight people (besides the fat and the limitations it causes) that both encourage weight gain and work against weight loss. Things like the bacterial biome in the gut can differ between healthy and obese people, and the brain's chemical reaction to food and how it processes hunger/full signals changes as you gain weight and keep it on. Furthermore, your body goes through certain set points of weight, weights at which you might hover for a while before seeing significant change. The problem is, you stay at those weights for long enough and your body begins it recognise it as its new 'normal', and the brain's chemical reaction in deciphering whether it needs more/less food begins to defend this new point as the weight it should be, even when that weight is too heavy (which adds to the already confused system of overly-processed food tricking the body into thinking it's taking in less fuel than it is because of the lack of nutrients, while actually consuming high numbers of calories). A person who does not have a weight problem, but then temporarily gains weight for some reason and loses it, will have a completely different reaction to food at the chemical level than someone who has been obese/morbidly obese long term as there body will still recognise their lower weight as the 'right' one. It makes those comparisons of 'I did it, so can this fatty' less equal than things would suggest on the surface.

It's also the reason weight loss surgery has a far more effective success rate than diet and exercise alone, because the process of going through the surgery (the limited food intake for the pre-op diet and the post-op period when you genuinely can't eat much food for quite a long time) helps to resent both your gut biome content and your brain's understanding of what you need. The actual, mechanical restriction will get looser with time and is the least of what the surgery helps you do. Obviously nothing is foolproof and if you don't change your habits you can still fail, but it helps you get out of your own way physically speaking (mentally/food relationships being a completely different animal).

Sorry, that got super long and I don't know how to do one of those cut/spoiler things to shorten it, but legitimately, losing weight as a long term obese person is a completely different experience, so her take as a morbidly obese person who has lost significant weight is way more relevant.

 

[anti_fat_bitch]

I would also add to the point @JaneThough is making that there are certain physical/chemical differences between obese and healthy weight people (besides the fat and the limitations it causes) that both encourage weight gain and work against weight loss. Things like the bacterial biome in the gut can differ between healthy and obese people, and the brain's chemical reaction to food and how it processes hunger/full signals changes as you gain weight and keep it on. Furthermore, your body goes through certain set points of weight, weights at which you might hover for a while before seeing significant change. The problem is, you stay at those weights for long enough and your body begins it recognise it as its new 'normal', and the brain's chemical reaction in deciphering whether it needs more/less food begins to defend this new point as the weight it should be, even when that weight is too heavy (which adds to the already confused system of overly-processed food tricking the body into thinking it's taking in less fuel than it is because of the lack of nutrients, while actually consuming high numbers of calories). A person who does not have a weight problem, but then temporarily gains weight for some reason and loses it, will have a completely different reaction to food at the chemical level than someone who has been obese/morbidly obese long term as there body will still recognise their lower weight as the 'right' one. It makes those comparisons of 'I did it, so can this fatty' less equal than things would suggest on the surface.

It's also the reason weight loss surgery has a far more effective success rate than diet and exercise alone, because the process of going through the surgery (the limited food intake for the pre-op diet and the post-op period when you genuinely can't eat much food for quite a long time) helps to resent both your gut biome content and your brain's understanding of what you need. The actual, mechanical restriction will get looser with time and is the least of what the surgery helps you do. Obviously nothing is foolproof and if you don't change your habits you can still fail, but it helps you get out of your own way physically speaking (mentally/food relationships being a completely different animal).

Sorry, that got super long and I don't know how to do one of those cut/spoiler things to shorten it, but legitimately, losing weight as a long term obese person is a completely different experience, so her take as a morbidly obese person who has lost significant weight is way more relevant.

All excuses, CICO.