ITT We argue about how fatties get fat, why they stay fat, and what they should do instead - It's a mystery! It's an obesity sperging containment thread!

[m0rnutz]

I hate blaming companies for people's misfortunes, but does anyone feel that there would be less obesity if fast food were less promoted in the US? It is ultimately people's choice to eat healthy and I'm glad that there's more awareness on wellness and health, but most people are complete idiots when it comes to nutrition and don't have the energy to learn. I feel like it kills off a culture's traditional cuisine too- why have(food from your country) when you can have Mcdonalds?
Enough sperging about fast food. If it didn't exist, the Slatons would still be fat and dumb. But the discussion on how countries like France and Japan have a stigma around women that aren't stick thin got me thinking.
I wonder what can be done about the obesity epidemic when a lot of otherwise reasonable people don't care or know how to lose weight? Michelle Obama had the right idea with encouraging kids to eat healthy and exercise, we just need a program like that but for adults. Melania, do your magic!

Fast food doesn't make you fat. It's the excessive eating of it that does.

You could eat McDonalds every day, and as long as you aren't just sitting on your ass you will be fine.

 

[Vorhtbame]

It's recommended that you eat what your normally do until you get a good idea how to budget your calories and find alternatives to what you normally eat. Like pita and hummus? Why not try vegetables and hummus. Air popped pop corn yelds more food than 28 grams of potato chips. You can still snack while losing weight.

Losing weight is easy, you don't have to deny yourself pleasures like fat activist think.

Well, I think the media of bygone days doesn't help. We've been inundated with "cottage cheese and lettuce for all meals! " for decades. In fact, it seems to me the 60's and 70's were chock-full of fad diets that I'd swear were designed by 4chan--eight bananas a day and nothing else, celery for two meals, only eggs in butter for your protein. Heck, look up "the Israeli Army Diet"; weird shit.

But the common thread throughout all of them was hard asceticism, giving up every flavor you enjoy, being hungry all the time. I think that's ingrained in our culture now, that idea. So the way to defeat FA is by culture change, telling people what you said up there.

 

[2_blank_spaces]

Uh, you really have to be careful though with fast food though because the calories and carbs are so high. If you went to the gym every day, but got McDonald’s, you’re never going to lose the weight if you don’t know about CICO

 

[JimmyHill'sBlarms]

I hate blaming companies for people's misfortunes, but does anyone feel that there would be less obesity if fast food were less promoted in the US? It is ultimately people's choice to eat healthy and I'm glad that there's more awareness on wellness and health, but most people are complete idiots when it comes to nutrition and don't have the energy to learn. I feel like it kills off a culture's traditional cuisine too- why have(food from your country) when you can have Mcdonalds?
Enough sperging about fast food. If it didn't exist, the Slatons would still be fat and dumb. But the discussion on how countries like France and Japan have a stigma around women that aren't stick thin got me thinking.
I wonder what can be done about the obesity epidemic when a lot of otherwise reasonable people don't care or know how to lose weight? Michelle Obama had the right idea with encouraging kids to eat healthy and exercise, we just need a program like that but for adults. Melania, do your magic!

Part of the problem is fast food, but it's just a small part. A big problem is the people who go, for example, "Oh, we'll make bigger clothes sizes specifically for you!" instead of going "Hey, lose some weight and maybe you'll fit into the available sizes we have." Knowing that people will just adjust to you doesn't give you the incentive or motivation to DO something about it.

Another big problem is "Food deserts." A lot of Obese people live in places where they don't have access to fresh foods or education about healthy eating. Adding Farmer's Markets or a Produce Section to grocery stores, and educating people about the benefits of fresh foods, could have a positive impact.

 

[Littleblackchyld]

You all are missing the effect of mental health issues that also play a part in this. A not insiginificant number of fat people have actual trauma like child abuse, child sexual abuse, rape, etc. which they have never had treatment for cause it wasn’t available or wasn’t affordable. Doesn’t Dr. Now send some of his patients to therapy and counselling to work out their issues? Food can be an addiction as strong as drugs, sex, or alcohol; possibly stromger cause you need food to live but not so for the others.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Fast food is cheap and easy. No cooking, no clean up and it’s instant. Mc Donald’s buys on such a vast wholesale scale that eating at McDonalds five times a week is a viable option for poor families.

It didn’t used to be that way, eating out anywhere used to be a bit of a luxury or treat - it was always cheaper to eat at home.

But now many people have never even learned the most basic cooking skills. Whereas two generations ago most women could cook anything from scratch, many women today have no idea how to cook simple things. The rise of pre-packaged dinners to merely heat up in the skillet or oven are the peak of cooking skills for many.

There are only two groups of people who I see with carts full of fresh ingredients at the grocery stores now adays - upper or middle class foodies and immigrant women from other countries who cook everything from scratch just like American women used to forty years ago. The people using food stamps generally have carts of prepackaged processed foods.

ETA;

You all are missing the effect of mental health issues that also play a part in this. A not insiginificant number of fat people have actual trauma like child abuse, child sexual abuse, rape, etc. which they have never had treatment for cause it wasn’t available or wasn’t affordable. Doesn’t Dr. Now send some of his patients to therapy and counselling to work out their issues? Food can be an addiction as strong as drugs, sex, or alcohol; possibly stromger cause you need food to live but not so for the others.

Child abuse, physical and sexual, was just as bad if not moreso years ago. Physically beating your child to an inch of their life’s was a-okay up until the last thirty years or so. Sexual abuse was prevalent, just not discussed and hushed up more.

The problem is cheap, easy, carb heavy foods. Psychological trauma has plagued people since the beginning of time, but cheap fattening foods is a very recent and new problem among humans.

I also have to eye roll how every show tries to find “the reason” for someone’s obesity or addiction. It’s not that simple and implying some type of abuse or trauma is the entire reason someone ate themselves to 700 lbs is very simplistic and overlooks a fuck-ton of other factors that lead to a dozen men from the Fire dept carrying you out of your trailer.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

My grandma was born in 1913, she was a housewife, they rarely went out to dinner, and you know what? My mom was an overweight child who has struggled for years with weight. And my grandfather lost a leg from diabetes and died of a heart attack (he did have a family history of heart problems, but I'm sure his diet didn't help). My mom makes a lot of microwave meals and I eat a lot of fast food and junk, and I'm not fat. Obviously McDonald's isn't good for you, but it doesn't make you obese--you eating too much of it does.

And food deserts would be a good argument if only poor people were fat, but that's not true. It contributes to why poor people are more likely to be heavy, but it's not the whole reason.

 

[Donovan the Man]

People underestimate how much of an impact the great depression and WWII on on American food culture. People went from have meager scraps to eating rations immediately after. There was barely any food and waste was highly discourage. You husband is now deployed and you have to support your family of 5 working 12 hour days at an ammo factory so you barely have time to cook now. Then food became plentiful again after the war with all this ready made food that cuts cooking time by half. You can make up all the miracle whip and ham sandwich dinners your kids had to eat with macaroni and cheese and hamburgers. Big plates of food to let them know they will be hungry ever again. Or now you are a 20 year old woman who just got married and your mother never thought you how to cook because she was too busy trying to keep the house hold together. If you were lucky she's toss a copy of the Joy of Cooking at you.

 

[White bubblegum]

Fast food doesn't make you fat. It's the excessive eating of it that does.

You could eat McDonalds every day, and as long as you aren't just sitting on your ass you will be fine.

That's true. I should've been more clear: fast food enables obesity/fatness.

 

[2_blank_spaces]

My grandma was born in 1913, she was a housewife, they rarely went out to dinner, and you know what? My mom was an overweight child who has struggled for years with weight. And my grandfather lost a leg from diabetes and died of a heart attack (he did have a family history of heart problems, but I'm sure his diet didn't help). My mom makes a lot of microwave meals and I eat a lot of fast food and junk, and I'm not fat. Obviously McDonald's isn't good for you, but it doesn't make you obese--you eating too much of it does.

And food deserts would be a good argument if only poor people were fat, but that's not true. It contributes to why poor people are more likely to be heavy, but it's not the whole reason.

Back when it was discovered, Diabetes used to be known as the rich man's disease. The tables have definitely turned. But it's still an indiscriminate illness. It all comes down to the western diet being shit.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

That's true. I should've been more clear: fast food enables obesity/fatness.

That's definitely true. The real question is why are some people in the same environment skinny, some regular, some overweight, some obese, some morbidly obese, and some fused to the couch? Even among people of the same race and class, there's huge variations.

 

[BIG DADDY]

That's definitely true. The real question is why are some people in the same environment skinny, some regular, some overweight, some obese, some morbidly obese, and some fused to the couch? Even among people of the same race and class, there's huge variations.

There are so many factors. One study showed that for girls, growing up in a stressful household is highly correlated to obesity. Definitely socioeconomic status is a big factor too. Genes are a small factor in most people but a few mutations that are pretty rare make it a dominant factor for some, particularly certain gene deletions. Epigenetic methylation can also play a role.

 

[Viridian]

That's definitely true. The real question is why are some people in the same environment skinny, some regular, some overweight, some obese, some morbidly obese, and some fused to the couch? Even among people of the same race and class, there's huge variations.

Obviously there's no one single answer to that, but I personally think a large factor involved is the mental outlook and attitude of the individual in question. This can mean the effects of psychological trauma, but it's about more than that. Different people react differently to gaining weight, as well as to any attempts they make to lose said weight. Some people get motivated to go out and exercise because they hate how a couple extra pounds of flab makes them look or feel, whereas other people find themselves even less inclined to exercise when they become overweight because they feel lethargic and everything takes extra effort. Some people have the willpower to stick to a strict diet long term; other people always falter whenever they restrict themselves and end up binging. Some people overeat when they're stressed for comfort, whereas other people find themselves without any appetite when stressed. And so on and so forth.

The results are that some people become overweight but still remain active enough to never approach death fat territory, whereas others in the same environment gradually slide down that slippery slope towards becoming bedridden and dying young. It comes down to personal motivation and personal choices, in the end.

 

[weaselhat]

Let me make this perfectly clear. The only people that should have a diet of 50% carbs are ATHLETES or extremely ACTIVE. People that live to lift weights. A sedentary person eating like this will have very obvious consequences. Eating 6x per day in this format is absolutely ludicrous. What's next? Drink a cup of sugar 8x per day to keep cravings away??

That book is basically telling her to keep her insulin through the roof. Good luck on the type 2 beetus.

She has no idea of portion control. She couldn't be bothered to measure anything and even admits in previous videos, she has no measuring spoons or cups. She probably does have them but doesn't use them. If you eat 6x a day, you have to truly eat small portions. That is a technique people who get low blood sugar use, but they don't eat a truck load at each sitting because that defeats the purpose. Eating 6 times a day appeals to her because it is eating all day long. She isn't willing to do the real work to uncover why she really binges. The book suggests other things she causally mentions but doesn't really seem to plan use, like waiting when you feel the urge to binge. She has to fight the urge and actually stop herself from driving two hours in the middle of the night to binge. I imagine this happens far more than she admits to anyone.

 

[Man vs persistent rat]

Watch her go on another smoothie diet 5 Videos later

Edit: also what's the difference between a smoothie diet and a juice detox

A smoothie diet is when they want to still consume full meals worth of matter, but believing that because it is in liquid form and contains no meat that it's better for you. To be fair, with Chantal's diet it probably is, which would explain why smoothies repulse her so much. I also think it theoretically passes through you faster because it's easier to digest and hence leaves you with less being stored as body fat(?) A normal person can find value from smoothies as it allows them to consume a lot of greens all in one go, but a pure liquid diet is very niche and a lot of people use it as a gimmick.

Juicing is less healthy than smoothies, since you're not eating the whole of the plant, just the sugary bits that can be extracted from them, but the juice detox diet is specifically meant to "cleanse" your system by throwing a complex amount of stuff all in one go and thinking it will make a difference. It probably has some basis in science, but I keep seeing articles on reputed sources calling juice detoxing bullshit.

 

[BerriesArnold]

Not going to agree that CICO is the ONLY thing that matters for weight loss due to personal experience:powerlevel:. You do you. BUT the simple fact is this: Everyone here has found something that worked for them by sticking to ONE thing long enough to see results. There are thousands of fatasses around the world that have succeeded by following that 1 simple concept. If you fail at dieting it's because you lack discipline, willpower, and you're not holding yourself accountable for your fuck-ups.

It's her expectation of immediate results that has her stuck in limbo. She expects diets to work within 1-5 days and immediately chucks any idea in the trash claiming that none of them work due to her "unique" biological makeup. All while sneaking in fast food in between them thinking that her body will let her get away with it.

She can lie to herself all she wants, but her body won't let any bad deed go unpunished.

 

[Princess Ariel]

Not going to agree that CICO is the ONLY thing that matters for weight loss due to personal experience:powerlevel:. You do you. BUT the simple fact is this: Everyone here has found something that worked for them by sticking to ONE thing long enough to see results. There are thousands of fatasses around the world that have succeeded by following that 1 simple concept. If you fail at dieting it's because you lack discipline, willpower, and you're not holding yourself accountable for your fuck-ups.

It's her expectation of immediate results that has her stuck in limbo. She expects diets to work within 1-5 days and immediately chucks any idea in the trash claiming that none of them work due to her "unique" biological makeup. All while sneaking in fast food in between them thinking that her body will let her get away with it.

She can lie to herself all she wants, but her body won't let any bad deed go unpunished.

It is literally the only thing that matters though. You can lose weight eating nothing but twinkies.

Whether intentional or not, finding something that works works because it is creating an energy deficit or it doesn’t work because it/you are not creating one. No matter what that something is.

That’s why people keep screaming at Chantal to just eat less god damn food in the hopes that the simplest solution of all can penetrate her fat skull.

 

[Occipital Fupa]

It is literally the only thing that matters though. You can lose weight eating nothing but twinkies.

You are making the basic mistake of forgetting that not all calories are created equal. Eating 1500 cals of Twinkies (aka sugar / carbs) won’t fulfill your muscles the same way as 1500 cals of eggs (aka proteins) or 1500 cals of avocados (aka fat) will, and your muscles mass has an effect on your BMR and therefore, your weightloss.

Some bodies respond better to proteins, some to fat, some to carbs. And if your body respond better to let say proteins, you will have better weightloss results on the long run eating a high proteins diet of 2000 cals, than 1500 cals of Twinkies. I’m just painting a big picture here, but that’s the basic idea.

@BerriesArnold is totally right when saying Chantal won’t stick to something long enough to see results. It takes 3-4 weeks on average and it’s even normal for the body to gain weight at first if it’s freaking out and feels deprived. No wonder nothing works for her, her body is in a permanent shocking state.

 

[thejackal]

Stop the :autism::autism::autism: and move it to the arguing about weight loss and why people get fat thread. Let's be nice and not make @Broken Pussy angry.

 

[Captain Ahab]

What is it about super morbidly obese morons and the fear of undereating? Bitch, the human body is designed to withstand long periods of near-starvation. Your body will burn the fat and muscle to make up the difference between what it needs and what you eat until it no longer has anything to burn. Only close to that last stage does it become legitimately dangerous and life-threatening.

You don’t have to lick the plate clean at every meal.