ITT We argue about how fatties get fat, why they stay fat, and what they should do instead - It's a mystery! It's an obesity sperging containment thread!

[Princess Ariel]

If a fatty loses a lot of weight, their advice to another fatty is way more appropriate than advice from someone who does not have the same life experience. People like Kathy take away the excuse other fattys (i.e. Chantal & AL) have that "It's too hard, I'm built to be big, it's not meant for me, no one understands what it's like to be this way, etc." It's important that people like her are out there sharing what works for her and showing others that it can be done.

That said, we're not a "hate all fattys!" site. I give Kathy Curry a lot of credit, it's not easy to lose the amount of weight she has, starting at the weight she did, all the while putting it out there on YouTube where we.ens will laugh at her just for being fat. She's doing good for her, and she is calling out bitches like Chantal. If Chantal were to listen to what Kathy had to say, she would possibly gain some good advice and maybe be able to turn her own life around. But she won't, and that's why this thread will never die.

I agree that advice from one succeeding fatty to another is probably more relevant, it’s two different ways to reach the same goal.
An uneducated thin person might give poor advice, because there is certain advice for the right time in someone’s fitness journey. Good trainers know that. Thin persons habits that keep them thin are what fatties need to pay attention to. There’s a good doc about that concept on YouTube called The Truth About Thin People.

I don’t agree that Kathy’s existence suddenly make excuses invalid. Fatties know their excuses are just that already, Kathy being successful doesn’t stop them from still making the same excuses (like Chantal does) If anything, I’ve observed that fatties that stick together stay fat. Either through misery loves company or through crabs in a bucket mentality. And this sudden out of character drama video by Kathy for views doesn’t bode well in that sense.
Like she’s already getting this haughty air about her and she’s the “true” weight loss queen unlike the liar Chantal so she made this little fallout video. Even though she’s still fat herself.

Also “set point” theory has been debunked for a lon time but the fat acceptance community still uses it for some reason.

 

[Occipital Fupa]

It takes a special kind of person to reach 400lbs; I assume it takes a special kind of motivation and tricks to rethink your entire life and fix the mess. I don’t think the simple life advices of a 98lbs sportive person is exactly appropriate to lose an extreme amount of weight (mostly when that person never had to lose a single pound to start with).

Also there is so many factors in weight loss and weight gain. Genetic, hormones, metabolism, health & medication, etc. You can be physically active and eat a healthy diet and be a size 12, or eat junk and stay on your ass all day yet be a size 2.

So when it comes to extreme weight loss, if I was 400lbs I would take the advices of someone who went through a similar experience, aka a chubby woman who lost 100lbs. I don’t see how I could relate to a skinny mini who’s been with a BMI of 16 her entire life.

 

[sperginity]

No such thing as a “naturally” thin person. If they started to eat like Chantal or Kathy they’d be fat too. Take the habits of the thin person, not the advice of a fatty.

Cystic fibrosis patients eat like truckers and are rail thin. Graves disease patients too. And a shitload of other conditions, along with people who really do have a fast metabolism and struggle to gain weight (many teen boys on weight lifting forums cram in every calorie they can and lift heavy, most show minimal weight gain, like 2 pounds in 6 months). you're talking out of your ass TBH. Outside of absolute starvation, there are variables for the calories out part of the CICO equation that can't be controlled for. Most people struggle to lose weight but some really do struggle to gain.

 

[latter day taint]

I think there is no set reason. Contrary to popular belief, obesity is a symptom not a disease. If you don't get to the why, then any weight loss seems unsustainable or they will turn to other things to cope like drugs or gambling.

CICO treats the symptom. But to really keep weight off, it seems you need to learn how to fucking deal with life without using some sort of substance to cope. Due to the variety of factors that cause someone to be this way, there is no clear cut answer other than mental health treatment.

 

[multiverse]

Cystic fibrosis patients eat like truckers and are rail thin. Graves disease patients too. And a shitload of other conditions,

These are outliers. 999/1000 it's calories in, calories out.

Weight is not a mystery of gut microbes and genetics and macros counting. You eat less calories than your metabolic baseline at your current weight, and you lose. Eat more calories than that and you gain.

This formula doesnt change even for the outlier conditions. Those people still obey the same laws of physics, their baseline calories burned are simply different than the majority of persons their size (like hashimotos or CF or similar.) And it's a deep rarity for anyone's metabolism to run more than 50-100 calories less or more than other people their size. Thyroid issues and PCOS are both examples of this. People with those conditions need to eat 50-100 calories more or less than others to maintain their size, not thousands.

And having emotional eating issues doesnt change the principle of CICO.

I sense a lot of fatties with excuses here. Science isn't going to change to match feels.

 

[Bani]

Something else important to note is that going from obese to skinny isn't free. I'm not even talking about the process of losing weight itself; the changes you have to make after extreme weight loss are pricey.

Let's say there's a guy who weighs 350 lbs, and he loses 200 of it. All of the extra skin isn't going to go away- it's just the fat that was under it that disappears. You have to have surgery to get rid of it, and if you're a guy, you basically have to wear a binder to hide the residual man titties until the operation. It's not a cheap procedure, either.

Spoiler: extra skin post weight loss. slightly gross.

That's exactly what happened to Shane Dawson after he lost weight. You can look it up.

Not saying people shouldn't lose weight, or that HAES isn't the dumpster fire that it is, but losing weight is a long, expensive process, especially for the morbidly obese. A lot of people just don't have the mental fortitude for such a project. If you're morbidly obese, you're statistically more like to die that way than lose the weight and live longer.

The above only applies to people 100 or more lbs overweight, though. For everyone else, it's a different story.

 

[cactus]

Something else important to note is that going from obese to skinny isn't free. I'm not even talking about the process of losing weight itself; the changes you have to make after extreme weight loss are pricey.

Let's say there's a guy who weighs 350 lbs, and he loses 200 of it. All of the extra skin isn't going to go away- it's just the fat that was under it that disappears. You have to have surgery to get rid of it, and if you're a guy, you basically have to wear a binder to hide the residual man titties until the operation. It's not a cheap procedure, either.

Spoiler: extra skin post weight loss. slightly gross.

That's exactly what happened to Shane Dawson after he lost weight. You can look it up.

Not saying people shouldn't lose weight, or that HAES isn't the dumpster fire that it is, but losing weight is a long, expensive process, especially for the morbidly obese. A lot of people just don't have the mental fortitude for such a project. If you're morbidly obese, you're statistically more like to die that way than lose the weight and live longer.

The above only applies to people 100 or more lbs overweight, though. For everyone else, it's a different story.

From what I've seen with people with lose skin like that is that they lost weight super fast, so their skin didn't have time to shrink. People who lost just above 100 lbs slowly will have less lose skin, a bit noticeable, but maybe something that might be able to take care of itself. Unfortunately in women, a boob job will be a necessity with that amount of weightloss.

 

[Bani]

From what I've seen with people with lose skin like that is that they lost weight super fast, so their skin didn't have time to shrink. People who lost just above 100 lbs slowly will have less lose skin, a bit noticeable, but maybe something that might be able to take care of itself. Unfortunately in women, a boob job will be a necessity with that amount of weightloss.

Well, maybe not a boob job, but a breast reduction certainly. Also, regardless of whether or not they lose the weight, any prolonged period of obesity and/or circulatory issues can cause circulation issues that result in varicose veins, which are impossible to remove even with surgery.

 

[Faggot Gift]

Kids have fucked up emotions just like adults and especially before they discover drugs a lot of them deal with their emotions by eating. Fast food and junk food companies specifically target school aged children with programs like reading contests and box top programs to engender a sense of loyalty, comfort, and reward to shitty food. Lots of adults don't know how to deal with their emotions and can't grow up. I think that's mostly it tbh.

 

[cactus]

Well, maybe not a boob job, but a breast reduction certainly. Also, regardless of whether or not they lose the weight, any prolonged period of obesity and/or circulatory issues can cause circulation issues that result in varicose veins, which are impossible to remove even with surgery.

You'd need work done on the breast regardless because the sag is so horrendous, at the very least a breast lift.

 

[Barbarella]

Nobody recommends women to be overweight. People just want to believe because they are overweight. Size 16 is HUGE. The healthiest people in the world (until recently when American fast food infected them) were the Japanese, who were always underweight. They are active and fish and vegetable eaters. They also were the oldest lived people in the world.

Same with the French, who enjoy eating in the real way, not the American way, and who were thin and healthy.

The French diet is a good one. Have a chocolate if you want one-but one. That’s all you need to get the taste, you don’t need ten. Their diets are about the enjoyment of food and a meal can take an hour, it’s not about gulping it down. It’s not about the enjoyment of feeling full, just how things taste and the company you keep, a difference that seems to be lost on some Americans.

The truth is, except for in a couple of specific situations, being slightly underweight is best. Your risks of many diseases, from cancer to high blood pressure, increases with every pound one puts on.

 

[Dahmer]

The healthiest people in the world (until recently when American fast food infected them) were the Japanese, who were always underweight. They are active and fish and vegetable eaters. They also were the oldest lived people in the world.

Correlation =/= causation. Chinese people live to be old as well and they eat powdered tiger penis. It has more to do with what is being eaten than to do with weight. A size 16 is absolutely not huge, unless you're comparing to models, who themselves are very unhealthy and don't have the best diets (opting for cleanses and nicotine to control their weight). There's also a huge cultural shame in Japan and other countries about keeping women tiny and petite, and many of them abuse drugs (speed is really popular in Japan for weight loss) and starve themselves to maintain that.

The French diet is a good one. Have a chocolate if you want one-but one. That’s all you need to get the taste, you don’t need ten. Their diets are about the enjoyment of food and a meal can take an hour, it’s not about gulping it down. It’s not about the enjoyment of feeling full, just how things taste and the company you keep, a difference that seems to be lost on some Americans.

See above, the French have a cultural obsession with how small a woman should be and shame for any woman who is even slightly over what's considered the appropriate weight. Women in France, much like Japan, opt for unhealthy measures to maintain their weight below a certain threshold.

This isn't me arguing in favor of HAES, HAES is absolutely bullshit. But just as being overweight is extremely unhealthy, so is being underweight. Parroting that it's healthier to be underweight because it's the norm in those countries is just spreading misinformation.

ETA: Lost my train of thought, but what I was intending to follow up to the fact that it has more to do with what you eat than how much. The foods common in Japan, fish, rice and vegetables, tend to be very healthy. While the American norm is hamburgers and french fries and pizza. Longer lifespans likely have less to do with weight than to do with what their diets are compromised of.

 

[2_blank_spaces]

An American size 14-16 is not big (I think Ashley Graham is a size 14-16). Women are recommended to be a little overweight as well (something like 10-20lbs, not 300lbs like Tess). A size 18 is pushing it (that's usually someone around 30lbs overweight). It's the people who are size 24+ who are a problem and pushing this bullshit HAES. Once you get passed a size 20, you're really falling into obesity. It's not attractive, certainly not healthy, and not something that should be promoted.

I'm a petite woman, so my judgement of too big a size is off when comparing it to an average woman's height. If I were a size 14, I'd definitely be obese.

 

[Bani]

A social distinction seriously needs to be made between "overweight" and "morbidly obese".

I don't think encouraging people to be more accepting of different body types is a bad thing, but only insofar as it doesn't enable unhealthy behavior. If you're overweight despite eating three normal meals and thirty minutes of exercise a day, that's one thing, but if you eat to cope or have some other psychological issue with food, the LAST thing you need is to be enabled.

FAAs enable eating disorders just as much as the fashion industry does. The only difference is the type of eating disorder and how aware the public is of the slimeyness of the respective groups. At least when fashion companies are scummy, they don't usually fall back on a false pretense of progressivism.

 

[AngelOfNoMercy]

I'm overweight and some of these people still disgust me. I actually make a point to be active on a daily basis. I need to cut junk food.

 

[CatFace]

Someone on YTT found an excerpt from Anna's book and a picture of the cover.

I was not expecting much from this rushed project but I was taken aback by the numerous typos, grammar errors and lack of overall coherence. And this is a promo excerpt, how bad is the rest?

Jesus. I don’t even care about spelling or grammar but “twenty-first first birthday” baffled me. Did she not read it over? It’s not a random blog post, she’s trying to sell a book.

 

[lolwut]

I'm overweight and some of these people still disgust me. I actually make a point to be active on a daily basis. I need to cut junk food.

no1curr

 

[Donovan the Man]

I'm overweight and some of these people still disgust me. I actually make a point to be active on a daily basis. I need to cut junk food.

Lose It and My Fitness Pal are great stepping stones to losing weight and a kitchen scale is very beneficial. Lose it has an estimated date to reach your goal weight based how much weight you lose each weight in and my fitness pal estimates your weight in 5 weeks base on what you eat that day. My Fitness Pal has better options for units of measure.

You can try out both and decide which app you like better.

It's recommended that you eat what your normally do until you get a good idea how to budget your calories and find alternatives to what you normally eat. Like pita and hummus? Why not try vegetables and hummus. Air popped pop corn yelds more food than 28 grams of potato chips. You can still snack while losing weight.

Losing weight is easy, you don't have to deny yourself pleasures like fat activist think. There are so many resources to lose weight as well it's affordable and accessible to everyone. You don't have to buy premium membership for weight lost apps they work perfectly fine for free.

 

[Iodised Ant]

A social distinction seriously needs to be made between "overweight" and "morbidly obese".

Fat chance of that happening. No one knows what either of those are anymore. Most people's perception of overweight is obese and their perception of morbid obesity is immobile.

 

[White bubblegum]

I hate blaming companies for people's misfortunes, but does anyone feel that there would be less obesity if fast food were less promoted in the US? It is ultimately people's choice to eat healthy and I'm glad that there's more awareness on wellness and health, but most people are complete idiots when it comes to nutrition and don't have the energy to learn. I feel like it kills off a culture's traditional cuisine too- why have(food from your country) when you can have Mcdonalds?
Enough sperging about fast food. If it didn't exist, the Slatons would still be fat and dumb. But the discussion on how countries like France and Japan have a stigma around women that aren't stick thin got me thinking.
I wonder what can be done about the obesity epidemic when a lot of otherwise reasonable people don't care or know how to lose weight? Michelle Obama had the right idea with encouraging kids to eat healthy and exercise, we just need a program like that but for adults. Melania, do your magic!