Plagued Nice Guys

[The_Truth]

I do think that the media plays a big part in it. Similar to how Chris Chan believes in the "third date" rule as a rigid reality that the world abides by, these guys see females sighing because their "hurr hurr meathead" boyfriend cheated on them as they gaze out to the sky wondering where all the good men are. They react to that by donning a persona that they believe is God's gift to women, and the answer to the exaggerated yearning of fictional females everywhere.

I don't think it's that first point at all, most of these nice guys actually hate feminists, sometimes even normal women in general that they lump in with feminists when they reject them.

Now I don't think that the girl next door who has her heart broken by too many evil men is a thing that happens as often as these guys seem to think. I think that they observe their dream girl going through the normal process of dating in high school, which usually involves short relationships and dramatic breakups because... High school, and fit it into their narrative of the nice guy standing by watching his perfect angel get her heart level shattered by cruel men.

They should have watched the Disney version of the The Hunchback of Notre Dame so they'd learn that even if you really are a nice guy you're not gonna get the girl cuz you're an ugly weirdo

 

[Cosmos]

He's even wearing a fucking trilby.

 

[JaneThough]

Let's be real, if this guy has friends, none of them are wondering when he's going to get married. They already know.

 

[HG 400]

By "friend" I'm pretty sure he means "Mom"

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

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He's even wearing a fucking trilby.

Why the fuck do these guys still wear these hats? Like they have to be aware even other neckbeards think it's a sign of social idiocy.

 

[Eshettar]

Wow that is one sad exchange. How can they not see how pathetic they make themselves look?

It was just a rollercoaster of "I can't believe he said that! What the hell's wrong with him?" from start to finish.

He lied about how he came to know her phone number and when she saw through it, he reacted by immediately telling another lie as though he thought she'd just forget all about the first falsehood and say "Oh! Okay!" and giggle like the love interest in an anime before asking what it was he wanted to talk to her about. Not only did he violate her privacy and try to deceive her when confronted about it, he also insulted her intelligence into the bargain by thinking she'd be dumb enough to fall for his backpedaling. Way to go, Ace.

One similarity between many of these stories is that the self-proclaimed nice guy protagonists really don't think highly of the poor women they're trying to court. They seem to think that they're playing a dating sim and that the woman will be all over them if they can only select that right combination of dialogue choices. Thing is, other people aren't NPCs in a video game and trying to brute force interaction with them like their refusal to date you is a puzzle that must be solved never ends well.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

It was just a rollercoaster of "I can't believe he said that! What the hell's wrong with him?" from start to finish.

He lied about how he came to know her phone number and when she saw through it, he reacted by immediately telling another lie as though he thought she'd just forget all about the first falsehood and say "Oh! Okay!" and giggle like the love interest in an anime before asking what it was he wanted to talk to her about. Not only did he violate her privacy and try to deceive her when confronted about it, he also insulted her intelligence into the bargain by thinking she'd be dumb enough to fall for his backpedaling. Way to go, Ace.

One similarity between many of these stories is that the self-proclaimed nice guy protagonists really don't think highly of the poor women they're trying to court. They seem to think that they're playing a dating sim and that the woman will be all over them if they can only select that right combination of dialogue choices. Thing is, other people aren't NPCs in a video game and trying to brute force interaction with them like their refusal to date you is a puzzle that must be solved never ends well.


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Wow, kinda surprised he didn't talk about how totally big his dick was.

 

[JaneThough]

It was just a rollercoaster of "I can't believe he said that! What the hell's wrong with him?" from start to finish.

He lied about how he came to know her phone number and when she saw through it, he reacted by immediately telling another lie as though he thought she'd just forget all about the first falsehood and say "Oh! Okay!" and giggle like the love interest in an anime before asking what it was he wanted to talk to her about. Not only did he violate her privacy and try to deceive her when confronted about it, he also insulted her intelligence into the bargain by thinking she'd be dumb enough to fall for his backpedaling. Way to go, Ace.

One similarity between many of these stories is that the self-proclaimed nice guy protagonists really don't think highly of the poor women they're trying to court. They seem to think that they're playing a dating sim and that the woman will be all over them if they can only select that right combination of dialogue choices. Thing is, other people aren't NPCs in a video game and trying to brute force interaction with them like their refusal to date you is a puzzle that must be solved never ends well.


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[Diesel Boogaloo]

So there was this Nice Guy story that exploded over Reddit today:

/r/LegalAdvice: Had a falling out with the girl I love and got served a cease and desist order. What can I legally do? (archive)
/r/NiceGuys: Nice Guy on /r/LegalAdvice wants to know his options when faced with a Cease and Desist (archive)
After everybody told him what a creep he was, he apparently went into therapy (archive)

Some quotes from the original thread (emphasis mine):

We hit it off immediately and I knew I was in love instantly. Well, long story short, I asked her our and she said no. I was heartbroken, but she agreed to still be friends (unfortunately, I don't have evidence of this since the conversation was in person). I tried several times throughout the semester to show her what she meant to me, but she ignored me and all the thought I put into the gifts I gave her. We had a falling out that involved me drunk calling her and her telling me to leave her alone when I tried to explain.

I have spent the last month in absolute depression. I think about her every day. She blocked me on social media, so I can't see her profile, but I haven't texted her since school ended. But it finally got to be too much for me. I decided I would try one more time to show her how much I love her. I knew the town she moved to school from (its only like an hour away from me and I have family that live nearby- we have talked about it before), so I texted her and told her I was coming to meet her. I was going to meet her at X coffee shop and I wanted to talk about everything. Once again, she couldn't even do me the respect of replying. I checked her Instagram that night and saw that she was out partying that very night. There were pictures of her with alcohol (she is UNDERAGE) and her wearing skanky clothes (she told me she hated partying). its like she has become a totally different person. So I did freak out a little. I told her about how much I cared and about how awful it was for her to just ignore me like that. That I was going to come to coffee shop on X day and if she should do me the respect of coming to see me.

She never replied, but I got a piece of mail today. It was a fucking cease and desist letter. She said she would "seek legal avenues" if I didn't stop "harassing" her. What the fuck reddit? I need to know what I can do legally to talk to her and make sure she doesn't understand. I don't want to live a life knowing she hates me. From my research, a Cease and Desist letter isn't legally binding like a restraining order or anything and I am not harassing her since I don't have an intent to intimidate or hurt her, so she can't charge me with anything. Is all that true? Do I need a lawyer to respond to her letter?

What have I done that is illegal????

You're flirting with stalking, to be honest

How is it stalking? No one has been able to show me the law that I am stalking!

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(4dxzi4u0v5t4yuctrveoszpy))/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-750-411h

Voila

I don't think a reasonable person should feel threatened by this. But hey, thats just me. Maybe the law is weird.

I am not a perfect person, no one is, but I am certainly not dangerous and I wouldn't like go to her house without her knowing or anything! All I want is to hear it straight from her that she doesn't want to speak to me again.

How did the cease and desist letter not make that clear? That's as straight as it gets.

He also keeps saying that since C&D is not "legally binding", it doesn't mean anything
Finally someone explained to him what a C&D letter means and that shut him up:

Someone else has already linked you to the statute that defines harassment and stalking. One of the options was making contact after being told to stop. A cease and desist is a paper trail that proves, definitively, that on X Date, you were told not to contact this person. So if you do contact them after receiving it, you can be charged with harassment or stalking when they call the police. That's the real purpose of the letter. To make sure that any further attempt to contact that person will be treated as a criminal issue.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

It was just a rollercoaster of "I can't believe he said that! What the hell's wrong with him?" from start to finish.

He lied about how he came to know her phone number and when she saw through it, he reacted by immediately telling another lie as though he thought she'd just forget all about the first falsehood and say "Oh! Okay!" and giggle like the love interest in an anime before asking what it was he wanted to talk to her about. Not only did he violate her privacy and try to deceive her when confronted about it, he also insulted her intelligence into the bargain by thinking she'd be dumb enough to fall for his backpedaling. Way to go, Ace.

One similarity between many of these stories is that the self-proclaimed nice guy protagonists really don't think highly of the poor women they're trying to court. They seem to think that they're playing a dating sim and that the woman will be all over them if they can only select that right combination of dialogue choices. Thing is, other people aren't NPCs in a video game and trying to brute force interaction with them like their refusal to date you is a puzzle that must be solved never ends well.


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All that's missing is "Dave's not here, man".

 

[shilly_mays]

It was just a rollercoaster of "I can't believe he said that! What the hell's wrong with him?" from start to finish.

He lied about how he came to know her phone number and when she saw through it, he reacted by immediately telling another lie as though he thought she'd just forget all about the first falsehood and say "Oh! Okay!" and giggle like the love interest in an anime before asking what it was he wanted to talk to her about. Not only did he violate her privacy and try to deceive her when confronted about it, he also insulted her intelligence into the bargain by thinking she'd be dumb enough to fall for his backpedaling. Way to go, Ace.

One similarity between many of these stories is that the self-proclaimed nice guy protagonists really don't think highly of the poor women they're trying to court. They seem to think that they're playing a dating sim and that the woman will be all over them if they can only select that right combination of dialogue choices. Thing is, other people aren't NPCs in a video game and trying to brute force interaction with them like their refusal to date you is a puzzle that must be solved never ends well.


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All this is missing is a "please respond" or "haha sorry my phone was stolen". Too funny.

 

[Butta Face Lopez]

Ha, it's like they watched The Office and saw the scene where Michael made up a fake girlfriend to make Holly jealous, and thought "WELL THEY ENDED UP GETTING MARRIED A FEW SEASONS LATER!"

 

[TowinKarz]

"nice guy" and "autist" have a lot of overlap on the Venn Diagram, I'd wager.

And most of it could be labeled "Good intentions excuse piss-poor personal behavior"

 

[shilly_mays]

Ha, it's like they watched The Office and saw the scene where Michael made up a fake girlfriend to make Holly jealous, and thought "WELL THEY ENDED UP GETTING MARRIED A FEW SEASONS LATER!"

He should have named the gf Tara

 

[ES 148]

He should have named the gf Tara

Or Georgina Glass.

 

[HG 400]

@Eshettar
LEARN HOW THE QUOTE FUNCTION WORKS YOU STUPID CUNT

 

[Eshettar]

@Eshettar
LEARN HOW THE QUOTE FUNCTION WORKS YOU STUPID CUNT

Oops! Sorry about that!

Ugh, that abomination. The Sonichu of "Nice Guys".


"they also doesn't have a very high opinion of women"

-- they also can't draw.

The women characters are all drawn looking like fish. Seriously, look at any woman in this comic from the front or the side when she registers surprise and you'll see what I mean.

Also, I had genuine trouble telling Becki apart from any other blonde woman who shows up for Jeff to hit on. I'm not kidding. They look identical, right down to the insanely broad grin. That could be chalked down to Jeff being drawn to the other women because they resemble Becki but something tells me that that would be giving the writer way too much credit.

So there was this Nice Guy story that exploded over Reddit today:

After everybody told him what a creep he was, he apparently went into therapy (archive)

Thank you for the update! I'm glad to hear that the guy actually listened to what folks were telling him and sought help for his problem rather than just repeat the cycle with some other woman in the future!

 

[Witlich]

Oops! Sorry about that!



The women characters are all drawn looking like fish. Seriously, look at any woman in this comic from the front or the side when she registers surprise and you'll see what I mean.

Also, I had genuine trouble telling Becki apart from any other blonde woman who shows up for Jeff to hit on. I'm not kidding. They look identical, right down to the insanely broad grin. That could be chalked down to Jeff being drawn to the other women because they resemble Becki but something tells me that that would be giving the writer way too much credit.



Thank you for the update! I'm glad to hear that the guy actually listened to what folks were telling him and sought help for his problem rather than just repeat the cycle with some other woman in the future!

Question is, will the therapy actually stick?

 

[Country Matters]

Question is, will the therapy actually stick?

Honestly, from the way he talked about it, I'm optimistic it will.

If it hadn't, and he was just doing it for show, he still would've tried to justify his actions by blaming the woman. Instead, he admits it was the result of entitlement, and that he was a predator. And he would try to contact her again to show he's 'changed', which, while he does admit he wants to, he firmly states he will not, and that if she ever wants to contact him she will.

There's a certain language when a predator is just pretending to have reformed. I don't really see it in this.

 

[TheImportantFart]

Crossing into alt-right territory here, but fuck it, there's a lot of overlap anyway: