Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Haramburger]

Classic twitter exchange where Stan Lee roasts Dan Slott:

 

[Emperor Julian]

There's an interesting quirk about that: They literally never learn.
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It would be odd enough if their approach didnt work but the part which takes the cake is their approach actively made the situation worse.

 

[Somsnosa]

D&C comes off as weird cause he's older than your average drama guy. He's a veteran and a father. He's from a total different culture world than the 20-almost 30 childless people we usually end up talkin about here, so he ends up bein a bit off technology and he has actual flaws he's not aware of, but he's open to learn. Tl;Dr he is too normal

Comic historian just doesn't want to get into drama, and both sides give him beef for that, included D&C, which is wrong. Just leave the guy alone and slapfight between yourselves

The true and only winner in all this is Diana, D&C's daughter, who likes Teen Titans and has talent in knitting. Bless her soul

 

[Jaimas]

It would be odd enough if their approach didnt work but the part which takes the cake is their approach actively made the situation worse.

The old truisms remains intact:

SJWs always lie, always project, and in the end, always double down.

 

[RockVolnutt]

D&C comes off as weird cause he's older than your average drama guy. He's a veteran and a father. He's from a total different culture world than the 20-almost 30 childless people we usually end up talkin about here, so he ends up bein a bit off technology and he has actual flaws he's not aware of, but he's open to learn. Tl;Dr he is too normal

Comic historian just doesn't want to get into drama, and both sides give him beef for that, included D&C, which is wrong. Just leave the guy alone and slapfight between yourselves

The true and only winner in all this is Diana, D&C's daughter, who likes Teen Titans and has talent in knitting. Bless her soul

What strikes me as odd about D&C is how he apparently has like three kids with multiple women. That and how he, Doug, and Captain Cummings have all been in the military at some point. It's not unbelievable, just a thing that sounds like there's a big story behind it.

 

[IwemduWarrior]

I'm not usually the grammar police, but holy shit nigga, you need to break up this run-on.

Lol, sorry I was on my phone when I wrote this. (just woke up at the time ill fix it). Anyway can anyone give me a primer to shit that happened this week aside from the emerald city shit, I wasnt very engaged with it.

 

[AJ 447]

What strikes me as odd about D&C is how he apparently has like three kids with multiple women. That and how he, Doug, and Captain Cummings have all been in the military at some point. It's not unbelievable, just a thing that sounds like there's a big story behind it.

I don't think there's really any story behind them all being in the military, except it may also have been one of the reasons they all became friends. And yeah, all of D&C's kids are from different women. His son is from his first marriage, and his youngest daughter (Diana) is from his second marriage. His middle daughter is from a one night stand where things went wrong lol

 

[CrunkLord420]

What strikes me as odd about D&C is how he apparently has like three kids with multiple women. That and how he, Doug, and Captain Cummings have all been in the military at some point. It's not unbelievable, just a thing that sounds like there's a big story behind it.

There's a reason "Dear John" letters are a meme. Military service and divorce go hand in hand. There's even a meme about the "dependapotamus": http://nextgenmilspouse.com/is-there-truth-behind-the-dependapotamus-myth/ (https://archive.fo/pl5pO) & https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dependapotamus (https://archive.fo/hKJgB)

 

[Zaragoza]

I shit you not, when they announced a new Kick Ass comic. I jokingly thought to myself the new protagonist was gonna be a strong independent black woman, it was.

You don't have to be that involved in the comic book industry to notice something is wrong when you start to notice a pattern of seeing every well established character(s) being replaced with POC, actually fuck it not POC, black people.

 

[RockVolnutt]

I shit you not, when they announced a new Kick Ass comic. I jokingly thought to myself the new protagonist was gonna be a strong independent black woman, it was.

You don't have to be that involved in the comic book industry to notice something is wrong when you start to notice a pattern of seeing every well established character(s) being replaced with POC, actually fuck it not POC, black people.

I kinda did some numbers on Marvel in the Dobson thread when he was saying it was overblown and gave some iffy statistic.

Okay, so I decided to look at lists of every Marvel publication for the period of 2015 to 2017 to check the statistics of Dobson's claim of non-white male comics being 40% of their output. Might've missed a few but it would alter this much. Here are the rules for what I'm counting:

• Has unique title and is not a relaunch. This is fairer on series like Captain Marvel which would shoot the numbers up.
• Since Dobson is including cancelled/finished stuff, so will I
• Not an annual
• Mini-series and one-shots will be included as it shows what they're promoting.
• I'll be generous and include aliens/other beings in "white" if they pass enough
• Teams and events will be credited to whatever the leader is or who has the most focus
• If it's a duo, I'll count them twice for the appropriate demographic if different
  
• I'll show the Marvel Star Wars comics separate

Spoiler: Turbo Sperging Special Edition

Star Wars:

• 22 total
• 27% (6) with white male protagonists
• 27% (6) with white female protagonists
• 9% (2) with "Latino" protagonists (Based on their actors, wouldn't make sense in-universe)
• 9% (2) with black protagonists
• 27% (6) with unknown/does not apply
• 63% not white male

Marvel:

• 254 total
• 45% (116) with white male protagonists
• 22% (57) with white female protagonists
• 13% (32) with black male protagonists
• 4% (11) with black female protagonists
• 2% (5) with Asian male protagonists (Mostly nu-Hulk by himself)
• 2% (5) with Asian female protagonists
• 2% (6) with Latino protagonist
• 2% (4) with Latina protagonist (lol America Chavez)
• 1% (3) with Muslim female protagonist (Just Kamala)
• 8% (21) with unknown/does not apply

Notice anything? Even if we accept Dobson's idea that people are complaining about a lack of white men instead of all their major characters getting shit on and replaced, he's still wrong because it's closer to 66% than 40. Not only that but you can clearly see how uneven this "diversity" is if that's your point. There are two major types of "diversity" characters in that period, #Woke black guy and the one that was growing like a damn weed....."Quirky teenage North American white girl who loves selfies and has a body weight half comprised of Starbucks".

I still have my list if anyone wants to look over it. Some people want to "see" these things themselves.

I don't care about qoutas and just want them not fucking over their central characters but it is factually accurate to say it's either a white woman or a black man whenever they hype up diversity. Black women are behind both but have more attention that anything else.

 

[Test Business]

I saw this linked over at Autism Central Command.

Apologies if this is a repost, but this is fucking hilarious. How are they so bad at this.

 

[RockVolnutt]

I saw this linked over at Autism Central Command.

Apologies if this is a repost, but this is fucking hilarious. How are they so bad at this.

Screenshot from a D&C video

 

[AnOminous]

Screenshot from a D&C video

"Freelancer."

That's a pretty strange way to spell "liar."

 

[RockVolnutt]

"Freelancer."

That's a pretty strange way to spell "liar."

It's French obviously.

 

[Plissken]

Why is this even relevant anymore? Who even reads marvel comics anymore? (Judging from their plummeting sales numbers anyway.). Mind you, I was a diehard marvel fan for a long time, and even I can't read the new stuff. Hell, even bringing Wolverine (My favorite character of marvel) back from the dead after nearly 3 years isn't enough to bring me back.

I will say, they did give Wolverine an infinity stone, so I smell major retcons incoming. Still, it won't be enough to bring me back. Why, you may ask? Because as long as the same assfaces keep making the comics, it will inevitably plunge back into badly written dialogue and characters again. No thank you.

Besides, it's an inherent problem with comic books themselves that nothing sticks for long. The problem is that all comics (Save for alternate universe ones) have a shared continuity, meaning not much can change without drastically changing the universe itself (Marvel used to embrace change, but that's long gone now as One More Day has shown.). It usually is the same formula repeated over and over, without any difference. The alternate universe comics can get away with changing alot, however. An example was the Ultimate universe. (We are talking the primary universe tho).

Hell, remember World War Hulk? How absolutely nothing stuck after that? Or even in DC comics (Probably much better, or so I'm told. I don't read comics much anymore, but I hear DC is far better off these days) when batman died; that barely lasted.

Now, I am not a big fan of anime or manga (I do like a few, and I can acknowledge a good anime or manga, but there are way too many tropes repeated in a lot of them), but atleast things stick in those things, because they are their own self-contained continuities, so the writers can take many more liberties. But even with that said, there are animes and mangas I am told where nothing sticks at all. I think it is moreso the fear of thinking outside of their comfort zone more than anything else (Well that and it could be a change that fans would absolutely despise. Looking at you, Shaman King. ).

 

[friedshrimp]

Didn't they just turn Rorschach into a black man in their DC-Watchmen crossover? It's freaking bizarre, why Rorschach of all people?

though in hindsight, it can sorta fit his character, just not in the way "diversity" way people expect...

 

[RockVolnutt]

Didn't they just turn Rorschach into a black man in their DC-Watchmen crossover? It's freaking bizarre, why Rorschach of all people?

though in hindsight, it can sorta fit his character, just not in the way "diversity" way people expect...

It's not the same guy, just someone else using the identity that we know little about as of this post.

 

[friedshrimp]

Huh, well that's different I guess.

Is he still as insane as the original tho

 

[Zaragoza]

I kinda did some numbers on Marvel in the Dobson thread when he was saying it was overblown and gave some iffy statistic.

Pass me it, please. I'm curious.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

The irony of all this is that comic books have been, for the better part of a century, at the forefront of expressing cutting edge progressive ideals. You have Captain America slugging Hitler mere months before Pearl Harbor, you have the X-Men comics using mutants as a parallel for racial inequality, Jack Kirby creating the first black superhero in 1966, the New Guardians clumsily trying to write commentary on AIDs and drug trafficking, ect.

In a way, Social Justice Warriors killed a time honored tradition in comic books with what they've done, & they have forever damaged the platform's ability to make any sort of commentary on real life problems going forward. They made Captain America a Nazi, just to make a point about Donald Trump. The last time Cap changed identities to make a point about a president, it was when he became Nomad in response to Watergate.

Diversity & Comics:

Initially introducing himself as "Zack", later doxed and revealed to be Richard C. Meyer, a former Marine in his late 30's-early 40's, he has been the leading voice and probably the de-facto leader for the Pro-CG, to the point where he was begrudgingly named as the #85 most powerful figure in comics this past year. He is by far the most aggressive and strategic of the Pro-CG figures,

Until recently, his videos have been pretty shit from a production values standpoint, typically recording during his lunch break from the middle of NYC, so it's not uncommon to hear wind noise or truck horns, he also tends to use his cellphone camera to record his videos, with awful shakey cam at times. However, he has lately learned how to use OBS and bought a better phone with a good camera, so this pain point is mostly resolved. Though he always coughs in his videos no matter what.

His Twitter account is also unbearable, as he loves to quote-reply his opponents and retweet supporters. But what makes his presence tolerable is that he is a funny guy (at least to me).

He also has his own comic, sponsored by his Patrons, and has allowed it to be roasted by other comic YouTubers.

There has been multiple efforts to harass and deplatform him by multiple parties, including a weird-ass "stalker" (keep reading), coordinated copyright strikes, and trying to take down his Patreon as well. There was also an exceptional plan leaked where multiple comic pros colluded to attempt provoking him @ NY Comic Con in order to get him escorted out, we covered that one here.

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I actually groaned sat through his latest Spiderman "roast" and wanted to tear my hair out when he got to the middle and started emphasizing "these are the staples, Parker only shows up at this part."

I feel like I'm watching Linkara doped on Ritalin. He even nitpicks the comic for being too high quality at one point. This issue is by no means iconic or an instant classic but it's not terribad either. At no point has he shown the comic be overtly SJWish either. I think this is the point now where "SJW" and "cuck" are now just buzzwords used to rake in cheap clicks. I was honestly expecting something much jucier than this.