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GEORGE R.R. MARTIN ANSWERS ‘GRRM WILL NEVER FINISH ASOIAF’ COMPLAINTS

HE’S UNAFRAID TO LEAVE ‘A DREAM OF SPRING’ INCOMPLETE
BY ANDREW WHALEN ON 5/1/18 AT 2:51 PM





George R.R. Martin is amply aware of how Game of Thrones fans bemoan his slow writing pace. He’s even contemplated the very scenario so many of them worry about: what happens if GRRM dies before finishing The Winds of Winter, or its follow-up, A Dream of Spring? Responding to commenters who somehow feel comfortable openly speculating about his death, Martin laid out the peace he’s made with the possibility of an unfinished Song of Ice and Fire series.

In a discussion about The Silmarillion , J.R.R. Tolkien’s posthumous pre-history of Middle-Earth, Martin defended his upcoming history of the Targaryens, Fire & Blood, pushing back against the idea that A Song of Ice and Fire will only continue to be loved if completed.

“You call LOTR ‘the main story,’ but if you had asked Tolkien, he would have said the SILMARILLION was his main story, his life’s work. Yet he was never able to complete it during his lifetime. Not because he didn’t care, however,” Martin wrote.

“Just for the sake of argument, let me point out that many many people invest their time into works without endings. F. Scott Fitzgerald never finished THE LAST TYCOON, Charles Dickens never finished EDWIN DROOD, Mervyn Peake never finished TITUS ALONE, yet those works are still read.”





If Martin, age 69, never finishes A Song of Ice and Fire, it won’t erase HBO’s Game of Thrones, or the pleasure to be found in the six novels already released. But Martin emphasized that he has no desire to leave behind an incomplete work. “I do intend to finish A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE, of course,” he wrote, “but doubtless Peake, Dickens, Fitzgerald, and Tolkien would have said the same.”

It was far from the only comment Martin responded to under his blog post announcing the release date for Fire & Ice (Nov. 20). Seemingly up for much of the night, Martin also discussed HBO’s Game of Thrones spinoffs, ASOIAF series cap A Dream of Spring and even the 1985 Mazda RX-7 he drives.

“We did not need anything else than Winds of Winter and the last book,” one commenter wrote. “All fucking spinoffs and histories and other moneymaking stuff could have waited!!!!!” (Who are these entitled goons!?)



Martin kept his head responding. “I am not sure HBO would agree that the spinoffs (I prefer the term “successor shows” myself) could have waited. With GOT set to end in 2019, they put five of them in the works, so as to have a new show… or more than one… to take up the mantle in 2020,” Martin wrote. “The successor shows were going to happen regardless. I prefer that they happen with my participation and guidance, rather than without it.”

“Do I ever get frustrated at all the criticisms? Certainly. Though I’d be more inclined to say ‘annoyed’ and ‘pissed off’ rather than frustrated,” Martin said. “The frustrations I feel are aimed mostly at myself and that stubborn, contrary, balky ‘moose’ (muse) of mine.”

Replying late into the night on April 30 and early on the morning of May 1, Martin riffed on everything from his last Dunk & Egg novella (“Eight years ago? Really? Damn.”) to the possibility of bringing in Stephen King to tag-team The Winds of Winter (“I envy his productivity, and I love his books… but we are very different people, and I could never work the way he does”).

Martin also answered specific questions about A Song of Ice and Fire, or sometimes refused to answer. Responding to a commenter asking the name of the city just east of Volantis, Martin responded, cryptically, “All cities have names.”

Asked about the reason behind The Winds of Winter delays, Martin said, “I have done some rewriting, yes. But there have been distractions as well.”

And no, it doesn’t sound as if some of his Winds of Winter material will be held back for A Dream of Spring. “I have not started working on A DREAM OF SPRING,” Martin wrote.

But, most importantly, Martin professed to be good at ignoring the baying hordes at his door. “When my work is going well—and no, it does not always go well, there are times of trouble—nothing exists for me but the scene I am writing. Publishers, editors, deadlines, readers, fans, none of that matters in the least, all of that is gone. Only the characters exist,” Martin said. “Sometimes this is difficult to explain to readers."
 
Nobody cares, George.

Keep selling waterlogged calendars, flogging a movie theater nobody goes to, and editing that dumb series I can't even remember the name to any more. (Wild Cards. I remembered.) Kind of like the X-Men but not really. And not as good. But it gives you shekels to parcel out to other authors so they'll invite you to conventions.

If we're lucky the last version of WordStar will die before you do and we'll get to watch you sperg about choosing a new word processing package. For about six months. Then Trump will get re-elected and you'll be so traumatized you'll do nothing for a year. Exactly what you'd have done anyway, but still.

Here's kind of humorous blog entry from Neil Gaiman, telling us all to be patient re: GRRM. Except it was written in, umm, 2009.

TUESDAY, MAY 12, 2009 - ENTITLEMENT ISSUES...

Wait. Read the original book again. Read something else. Get on with your life. Hope that the author is writing the book you want to read, and not dying, or something equally as dramatic. And if he paints the house, that's fine.

And Gareth, in the future, when you see other people complaining that George R.R. Martin has been spotted doing something other than writing the book they are waiting for, explain to them, more politely than I did the first time, the simple and unanswerable truth: George R. R. Martin is not working for you.

Hope that helps.

Wonder if ol' Neil has ever wanted to walk that one back? 8)
 
Ya know it should be mentioned that later on this year Tolkein's Fall of Gondolin will be released for the first time...45 years after Tolkein died. Hell he died back when Martin was busy bitching out of the Vietnam War draft.....and yet he is STILL releasing new books with greater regularity than Martin.

Im serious. The dessicated skeleton of J.R.R Tolkein is a more productive writer than this overhyped walrus.
 
Ya know it should be mentioned that later on this year Tolkein's Fall of Gondolin will be released for the first time...45 years after Tolkein died. Hell he died back when Martin was busy bitching out of the Vietnam War draft.....and yet he is STILL releasing new books with greater regularity than Martin.

Im serious. The dessicated skeleton of J.R.R Tolkein is a more productive writer than this overhyped walrus.

Tolkien's corpse released a new book a year ago as well. Seems that he gets more frequent releases, too.
 
Tolkien's corpse released a new book a year ago as well. Seems that he gets more frequent releases, too.
Im not even being ironic or edgelordy here. Tolkien's corpse is one of my top 10 favourite authors alongside Tolkien himself as a living author. Children of Hurin was fucking fantastic and shows that Tolkien was more than capable of doing grimdark fantasy if he so wished, Beren and Luthien is probably the only romance book I ever fucking loved, and the Silmarilion is literally the goddamn bible of fantasy (in more ways than one given the structure and pacing). I have high hopes for Fall of Gondolin since I have literally been waiting to have that made into a proper story since I saw mention of it in The Hobbit as a wide eyed 6 year old.
 
Martin's rambling doesn't make much sense. The Silmarillion is probably the worst example for his case since it's a stand alone prequel, a side story that LoTR can stand alone without.

What Martin is doing would be like Tolkien putting Return of The King on hold and writing The Silmarillion and a bunch of side books, one off books, cashing in on a radio show based on LoTR, then dying before actually completing LoTR.
 
Nobody cares, George.

Keep selling waterlogged calendars, flogging a movie theater nobody goes to, and editing that dumb series I can't even remember the name to any more. (Wild Cards. I remembered.) Kind of like the X-Men but not really. And not as good. But it gives you shekels to parcel out to other authors so they'll invite you to conventions.

If we're lucky the last version of WordStar will die before you do and we'll get to watch you sperg about choosing a new word processing package. For about six months. Then Trump will get re-elected and you'll be so traumatized you'll do nothing for a year. Exactly what you'd have done anyway, but still.

Here's kind of humorous blog entry from Neil Gaiman, telling us all to be patient re: GRRM. Except it was written in, umm, 2009.

TUESDAY, MAY 12, 2009 - ENTITLEMENT ISSUES...

Wonder if ol' Neil has ever wanted to walk that one back? 8)
heh. Memba when neil gaiman supported and iirc funded Kiva Bay's never released "stunning and brave tweeter womyn" card set back in 2014-2015? God gamergate was a glorious time for seeing famous people act like bigger tards than chris chan
 
“You call LOTR ‘the main story,’ but if you had asked Tolkien, he would have said the SILMARILLION was his main story, his life’s work.

For some reason this made me think that G.R.R.M. and Tolkien are the writer's equivalent of a Dwarf Fortress player.

Martin's only 69? He looks older than dirt.

Aren't a lot of famous authors alcoholics? That might explain his appearance.
 
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For some reason this made me think that G.R.R.M. and Tolkien are the writer's equivalent of a Dwarf Fortress player.



Aren't a lot of famous authors alcoholics? That might explain his appearance.


As the saying goes, write drunk edit sober. Also from what I heard, George R.R. Martin writes only six pages a day, which is on the lighter side of what a writer of his caliber should be doing
 
“You call LOTR ‘the main story,’ but if you had asked Tolkien, he would have said the SILMARILLION was his main story, his life’s work. Yet he was never able to complete it during his lifetime. Not because he didn’t care, however,” Martin wrote.
Tolkien still finished Lord of the Rings. He worked on The Silmarillion most of his life, yes, but The Silmarillion was also a gigantic fucking history book of a world created entirely by Tolkien. And he was still able to finish Lord of the Rings, which itself was a massive undertaking.

The Silmarillion was something that simply could not have been completed in Tolkien's lifetime, given everything it was trying to accomplish. This Fire and Blood thing or whatever it is isn't the same thing, in fact I'd say it's the opposite. Martin's been spending 20 years writing this story and now he's writing a history book? His priorities are fucked. And it's sad, because A Song of Ice and Fire is one of my favorite fantasy series. But since the author is completely unfocused, who knows if it will get finished.

Also just want to note:
the possibility of bringing in Stephen King to tag-team The Winds of Winter (“I envy his productivity, and I love his books… but we are very different people, and I could never work the way he does”).
Stephen King has one of the best work ethics of any author I have seen. He's written books roughly as long as Martin's but he's been doing it consistently for about 40 years. This dude released It, a 1138 page behemoth, and still wrote like 13 other books in that same decade, and keep in mind he was dealing with a serious drug habit during that time.

If we lived in an alternate universe where King was the one writing A Song of Ice and Fire, he would have finished it within 5 or 6 years. The best part is Martin admits he admires King's productivity. Then do it. What's stopping you from doing what King is doing?
 
Tolkien still finished Lord of the Rings. He worked on The Silmarillion most of his life, yes, but The Silmarillion was also a gigantic fucking history book of a world created entirely by Tolkien. And he was still able to finish Lord of the Rings, which itself was a massive undertaking.

The Silmarillion was something that simply could not have been completed in Tolkien's lifetime, given everything it was trying to accomplish. This Fire and Blood thing or whatever it is isn't the same thing, in fact I'd say it's the opposite. Martin's been spending 20 years writing this story and now he's writing a history book? His priorities are fucked. And it's sad, because A Song of Ice and Fire is one of my favorite fantasy series. But since the author is completely unfocused, who knows if it will get finished.

Also just want to note:

Stephen King has one of the best work ethics of any author I have seen. He's written books roughly as long as Martin's but he's been doing it consistently for about 40 years. This dude released It, a 1138 page behemoth, and still wrote like 13 other books in that same decade, and keep in mind he was dealing with a serious drug habit during that time.

If we lived in an alternate universe where King was the one writing A Song of Ice and Fire, he would have finished it within 5 or 6 years. The best part is Martin admits he admires King's productivity. Then do it. What's stopping you from doing what King is doing?

He's not doing it because he's stupid
 
Personally, I don't care if he never finishes. He's HBO's bitch now, and I won't be able to read any future instalments without thinking the plot's been changed to keep in line with the show.
To be honest, if I had that much money and had to deal with the kind of obsessive fanbase he does, I'd probably stop giving a shit too.
 
They are making five spin-offs? What the fuck are they all supposed to be about?

If GRRM is involved at least one, probably two are going to be centered around the Targaryens, since he has put out more content about them than actual ASOIAF novels this decade. Maybe he'll give his other abandoned ASOIAF series, Dunk and Egg, to HBO to finish for him.

Five years ago I felt bad for him having to rush two books out to beat the show. Three years ago I felt bad once it was obvious he'd never get the final book out in time. Now it's just embarrassing. It's apparent he wrote A Storm of Swords in a fever dream, blew his creative load, spent a whole book on side stories to try and get it back, and now is just shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic, desperately trying to figure out how to reign in this mess of a narrative he's made.
 
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