Culture George R. R. Martin answers 'GRRM Will Never Finish Asoiaf' Complaints - GOT writer still not goddamn finished

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GEORGE R.R. MARTIN ANSWERS ‘GRRM WILL NEVER FINISH ASOIAF’ COMPLAINTS

HE’S UNAFRAID TO LEAVE ‘A DREAM OF SPRING’ INCOMPLETE
BY ANDREW WHALEN ON 5/1/18 AT 2:51 PM





George R.R. Martin is amply aware of how Game of Thrones fans bemoan his slow writing pace. He’s even contemplated the very scenario so many of them worry about: what happens if GRRM dies before finishing The Winds of Winter, or its follow-up, A Dream of Spring? Responding to commenters who somehow feel comfortable openly speculating about his death, Martin laid out the peace he’s made with the possibility of an unfinished Song of Ice and Fire series.

In a discussion about The Silmarillion , J.R.R. Tolkien’s posthumous pre-history of Middle-Earth, Martin defended his upcoming history of the Targaryens, Fire & Blood, pushing back against the idea that A Song of Ice and Fire will only continue to be loved if completed.

“You call LOTR ‘the main story,’ but if you had asked Tolkien, he would have said the SILMARILLION was his main story, his life’s work. Yet he was never able to complete it during his lifetime. Not because he didn’t care, however,” Martin wrote.

“Just for the sake of argument, let me point out that many many people invest their time into works without endings. F. Scott Fitzgerald never finished THE LAST TYCOON, Charles Dickens never finished EDWIN DROOD, Mervyn Peake never finished TITUS ALONE, yet those works are still read.”





If Martin, age 69, never finishes A Song of Ice and Fire, it won’t erase HBO’s Game of Thrones, or the pleasure to be found in the six novels already released. But Martin emphasized that he has no desire to leave behind an incomplete work. “I do intend to finish A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE, of course,” he wrote, “but doubtless Peake, Dickens, Fitzgerald, and Tolkien would have said the same.”

It was far from the only comment Martin responded to under his blog post announcing the release date for Fire & Ice (Nov. 20). Seemingly up for much of the night, Martin also discussed HBO’s Game of Thrones spinoffs, ASOIAF series cap A Dream of Spring and even the 1985 Mazda RX-7 he drives.

“We did not need anything else than Winds of Winter and the last book,” one commenter wrote. “All fucking spinoffs and histories and other moneymaking stuff could have waited!!!!!” (Who are these entitled goons!?)



Martin kept his head responding. “I am not sure HBO would agree that the spinoffs (I prefer the term “successor shows” myself) could have waited. With GOT set to end in 2019, they put five of them in the works, so as to have a new show… or more than one… to take up the mantle in 2020,” Martin wrote. “The successor shows were going to happen regardless. I prefer that they happen with my participation and guidance, rather than without it.”

“Do I ever get frustrated at all the criticisms? Certainly. Though I’d be more inclined to say ‘annoyed’ and ‘pissed off’ rather than frustrated,” Martin said. “The frustrations I feel are aimed mostly at myself and that stubborn, contrary, balky ‘moose’ (muse) of mine.”

Replying late into the night on April 30 and early on the morning of May 1, Martin riffed on everything from his last Dunk & Egg novella (“Eight years ago? Really? Damn.”) to the possibility of bringing in Stephen King to tag-team The Winds of Winter (“I envy his productivity, and I love his books… but we are very different people, and I could never work the way he does”).

Martin also answered specific questions about A Song of Ice and Fire, or sometimes refused to answer. Responding to a commenter asking the name of the city just east of Volantis, Martin responded, cryptically, “All cities have names.”

Asked about the reason behind The Winds of Winter delays, Martin said, “I have done some rewriting, yes. But there have been distractions as well.”

And no, it doesn’t sound as if some of his Winds of Winter material will be held back for A Dream of Spring. “I have not started working on A DREAM OF SPRING,” Martin wrote.

But, most importantly, Martin professed to be good at ignoring the baying hordes at his door. “When my work is going well—and no, it does not always go well, there are times of trouble—nothing exists for me but the scene I am writing. Publishers, editors, deadlines, readers, fans, none of that matters in the least, all of that is gone. Only the characters exist,” Martin said. “Sometimes this is difficult to explain to readers."
 
heh. Memba when neil gaiman supported and iirc funded Kiva Bay's never released "stunning and brave tweeter womyn" card set back in 2014-2015? God gamergate was a glorious time for seeing famous people act like bigger tards than chris chan
Memba when a giant chunk of Sandman revolved around a girl who was a "dream vortex" and her roommate was a pre-op tranny that pranced around in his panties for the duration of a hurricane, got crushed by a collapsing building, and she went to his funeral to smear lipstick on his tombstone?

How fucking pretentious do you have to be to compare yourself with Tolkien, F. Scott Fitzgerald, and Charles Dickens.
Agree, you can let others make the comparison but you can't do it to yourself.

Stephen King has one of the best work ethics of any author I have seen. He's written books roughly as long as Martin's but he's been doing it consistently for about 40 years. This dude released It, a 1138 page behemoth, and still wrote like 13 other books in that same decade, and keep in mind he was dealing with a serious drug habit during that time.
A lot of people think the drug habit drove the work ethic. It's probably easy to write three novels simultaneously when you're strung out on coke.
 
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Funny how nobody mentions the Wheel of Time guy, who also died before finishing his series (his friend had to finish it for him.)
Of course, I think a lot of people got away from that series because IIRC it started to get weirdly sexist or something.
Jordan died before he finished the serie sure, but he still had a way better work eitch then GRRM. Lets compare:
From 1990 until his death in 07, he manges to write 12 books in the series (one of them was a prequel). Sanderson finsihed the last three of the series between 09 and 13 (while also writing his own books). On average Jordan wrote around 0,64 of a book each year. The longest time between a book was three years before he died.
Now lets look at GRRM.
From aGoT to aCoK it was three years. ACoK to aSoS it was around two years, aSoS to aFoC it was five and lastley, from aFoC to aDoD it was six years. GRRM has no excuse to be so slow. He need to see it as the job it is.
 
From aGoT to aCoK it was three years. ACoK to aSoS it was around two years, aSoS to aFoC it was five and lastley, from aFoC to aDoD it was six years. GRRM has no excuse to be so slow. He need to see it as the job it is.
It's also been 7 years since A Dance of Dragons, and there's no word on when Winds of Winter will be out. Could be next year, or even the year after that (I'm not betting on that though). I get that these are massive books and that a lot go into them, but at the same time you'd think at some point he would have started releasing them on a more consistent basis.

If it were me, and my fantasy book series was adapted into a wildly popular television series, I would have kicked into overdrive to try and finish my series first. That TV series started in 2011, the same year A Dance of Dragons came out. Now the TV series is coming to a close and we haven't gotten a new book in all that time. It would have been inevitable for the TV show to overtake the book series even if he released a new one, but 7 years and no new book is just fucking pathetic.
 
Feast and Dance are the ultimate examples of why you plot your fucking novels- they only got so unwieldy because Martin infamously writes largely as goes along, and often would go off track- which is why ASoIaF bloated from ta trilogy to five book then to seven. He literally had no idea what to do with Dany's plot because he had no idea what his goal with it was, and he had to ax a planned timeskip because of it.

The series would probably be done by now if he had plotted out what the fuck Maareen was ultimately going to do beforehand. Doesn't it ultimately amount to jackshit, too?
Ja ja have to agree completely. I had to google the latest book's name because I had completely forgotten it, to say nothing of it's contents.
 
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Ya know.....there could be another reason for this. Given the stranglehold that some of the more batshit and fanatical SJW cliques have over literature in many quarters right now, as epitomised by the Hugo Award clique, and the fact that the media REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE mob declared war on season 5 of game of thrones for having rape happen offscreen, perhaps Martin finished both books years ago but is waiting either for the SJW trend to die so he can publish them in peace without the likes of Scalzi and nk jemisin trying to start a lynch mob the next time he goes to a convention, or will publish them posthumously if he dies before this happens.
 
Ya know.....there could be another reason for this. Given the stranglehold that some of the more batshit and fanatical SJW cliques have over literature in many quarters right now, as epitomised by the Hugo Award clique, and the fact that the media REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE mob declared war on season 5 of game of thrones for having rape happen offscreen, perhaps Martin finished both books years ago but is waiting either for the SJW trend to die so he can publish them in peace without the likes of Scalzi and nk jemisin trying to start a lynch mob the next time he goes to a convention, or will publish them posthumously if he dies before this happens.

Martin's part of that clique and was one of the higher profile authors to throw an autism fit over the Sad Puppies campaign for the Hugos. He's a sacred cow and while they may whine about the show the sci-fi/fantasy community will absolutely not turn on GRRM.

Not to mention wrecking relations with his fanbase and putting off millions of dollars in sales so he can avoid a couple social justice speds writing clickbait articles and starting a few hashtags is retarded even for him.
 
Oh man, five spin offs of stupid bullshit based on a series that died after season 2. I wonder how shitty the "major secret" will be this time and just how long it'll take a Youtuber to think of it.

Can't fucking wait.
 
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Ya know.....there could be another reason for this. Given the stranglehold that some of the more batshit and fanatical SJW cliques have over literature in many quarters right now, as epitomised by the Hugo Award clique, and the fact that the media REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE mob declared war on season 5 of game of thrones for having rape happen offscreen, perhaps Martin finished both books years ago but is waiting either for the SJW trend to die so he can publish them in peace without the likes of Scalzi and nk jemisin trying to start a lynch mob the next time he goes to a convention, or will publish them posthumously if he dies before this happens.
How many perpetually offended people read fantasy epics?
 
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How many perpetually offended people read fantasy epics?
Quite a few going by the Sad Puppies/Rabid Puppies saga. And they are so cancerous that when a, I believe, lesbian was suggested by Sad Puppies they began to viciously attack her for being a nazi and say that even if she did win a Hugo she wouldn’t deserve it.
 
The latest season of the TV show was weak as fuck in all areas, it's obvious it has no written source material as a base and maybe that says something about where GRRM is at when it comes to Winds of Winter.

Another theory is that they're branching the story, the show and the books will differ in the end to some extent.
 
Anyone else think of Connor Bible when they read the headline?

Nah, I thought of Spoony because they're both lazy, excuse-making slobs sitting on their fat asses while their fans and former fans endlessly speculate on whether or not they'll die before they actually make something that people care to see.
 
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A bit over 17 years ago George R. R. Martin began rewriting A Dance with Dragons (then the fourth book in the series). Initially, he had intended five years to pass between the events of A Storm of Swords (book three) and A Dance with Dragons. But it had been a year since A Storm of Swords was released and there was still no end in sight. This delay was unacceptable for a writer of his caliber. It would slow things temporarily, and be a pain to rewrite, but in the long run he decided the series would be better and finish sooner if he scrapped the gap.

17 years ago, he made this decision over a potential 6 month to a year delay.

With his dying breath, GRRM will be staring at his Kaypro's monitor, a Wordstar document taunting him with its emptiness. As the blackness closes against his vision, he will think "Why didn't I just keep the five year gap."
 
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