Culture George R. R. Martin answers 'GRRM Will Never Finish Asoiaf' Complaints - GOT writer still not goddamn finished

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GEORGE R.R. MARTIN ANSWERS ‘GRRM WILL NEVER FINISH ASOIAF’ COMPLAINTS

HE’S UNAFRAID TO LEAVE ‘A DREAM OF SPRING’ INCOMPLETE
BY ANDREW WHALEN ON 5/1/18 AT 2:51 PM





George R.R. Martin is amply aware of how Game of Thrones fans bemoan his slow writing pace. He’s even contemplated the very scenario so many of them worry about: what happens if GRRM dies before finishing The Winds of Winter, or its follow-up, A Dream of Spring? Responding to commenters who somehow feel comfortable openly speculating about his death, Martin laid out the peace he’s made with the possibility of an unfinished Song of Ice and Fire series.

In a discussion about The Silmarillion , J.R.R. Tolkien’s posthumous pre-history of Middle-Earth, Martin defended his upcoming history of the Targaryens, Fire & Blood, pushing back against the idea that A Song of Ice and Fire will only continue to be loved if completed.

“You call LOTR ‘the main story,’ but if you had asked Tolkien, he would have said the SILMARILLION was his main story, his life’s work. Yet he was never able to complete it during his lifetime. Not because he didn’t care, however,” Martin wrote.

“Just for the sake of argument, let me point out that many many people invest their time into works without endings. F. Scott Fitzgerald never finished THE LAST TYCOON, Charles Dickens never finished EDWIN DROOD, Mervyn Peake never finished TITUS ALONE, yet those works are still read.”





If Martin, age 69, never finishes A Song of Ice and Fire, it won’t erase HBO’s Game of Thrones, or the pleasure to be found in the six novels already released. But Martin emphasized that he has no desire to leave behind an incomplete work. “I do intend to finish A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE, of course,” he wrote, “but doubtless Peake, Dickens, Fitzgerald, and Tolkien would have said the same.”

It was far from the only comment Martin responded to under his blog post announcing the release date for Fire & Ice (Nov. 20). Seemingly up for much of the night, Martin also discussed HBO’s Game of Thrones spinoffs, ASOIAF series cap A Dream of Spring and even the 1985 Mazda RX-7 he drives.

“We did not need anything else than Winds of Winter and the last book,” one commenter wrote. “All fucking spinoffs and histories and other moneymaking stuff could have waited!!!!!” (Who are these entitled goons!?)



Martin kept his head responding. “I am not sure HBO would agree that the spinoffs (I prefer the term “successor shows” myself) could have waited. With GOT set to end in 2019, they put five of them in the works, so as to have a new show… or more than one… to take up the mantle in 2020,” Martin wrote. “The successor shows were going to happen regardless. I prefer that they happen with my participation and guidance, rather than without it.”

“Do I ever get frustrated at all the criticisms? Certainly. Though I’d be more inclined to say ‘annoyed’ and ‘pissed off’ rather than frustrated,” Martin said. “The frustrations I feel are aimed mostly at myself and that stubborn, contrary, balky ‘moose’ (muse) of mine.”

Replying late into the night on April 30 and early on the morning of May 1, Martin riffed on everything from his last Dunk & Egg novella (“Eight years ago? Really? Damn.”) to the possibility of bringing in Stephen King to tag-team The Winds of Winter (“I envy his productivity, and I love his books… but we are very different people, and I could never work the way he does”).

Martin also answered specific questions about A Song of Ice and Fire, or sometimes refused to answer. Responding to a commenter asking the name of the city just east of Volantis, Martin responded, cryptically, “All cities have names.”

Asked about the reason behind The Winds of Winter delays, Martin said, “I have done some rewriting, yes. But there have been distractions as well.”

And no, it doesn’t sound as if some of his Winds of Winter material will be held back for A Dream of Spring. “I have not started working on A DREAM OF SPRING,” Martin wrote.

But, most importantly, Martin professed to be good at ignoring the baying hordes at his door. “When my work is going well—and no, it does not always go well, there are times of trouble—nothing exists for me but the scene I am writing. Publishers, editors, deadlines, readers, fans, none of that matters in the least, all of that is gone. Only the characters exist,” Martin said. “Sometimes this is difficult to explain to readers."
 
Funny how nobody mentions the Wheel of Time guy, who also died before finishing his series (his friend had to finish it for him.)
Of course, I think a lot of people got away from that series because IIRC it started to get weirdly sexist or something.
 
Funny how nobody mentions the Wheel of Time guy, who also died before finishing his series (his friend had to finish it for him.)
Of course, I think a lot of people got away from that series because IIRC it started to get weirdly sexist or something.
That’s the one I stopped reading because I realized I hated all of the characters by about the fifth book or so and didn’t care if the book ended with “and they all died in a ditch”. Never finished it.
 
Funny how nobody mentions the Wheel of Time guy, who also died before finishing his series (his friend had to finish it for him.)
Of course, I think a lot of people got away from that series because IIRC it started to get weirdly sexist or something.

At least on /r/asoiaf, GRRM pulling a Robert Jordan is effectively a forum meme. Jokes about Brandon Sanderson coming in to finish this series as well became such a running joke Sanderson had to publicly comment that he hadn't been approached by GRRM or his publisher to do that, and even if he were he wouldn't agree to do it.
 
They'll probably end up having to pull a Robert Jordon and have someone patch together Winter and Spring into a final book based off the HBO scripts, what's written for Winter, and Georgie's plot summaries for Spring.

Probably gonna be Gaiman or someone; I remember there were rumors a few years back that Neil would be the one to at least edit Winds of Winter if GRRM croaked.
 
Wasn't his drug cocaine? I feel like that probably help, if anything.
It wasn't just that. He was also an extreme alcoholic. He was so out of his mind on beer and coke he doesn't even remember writing Cujo.

It probably did help for a little bit since he claims it helped him write some of his best-sellers, but at the same time his books started to become unfocused and bizarre (Christine and The Tommyknockers to name a couple examples), plus the editors eventually stopped caring.

As someone who's interested in writing, that sounds more harmful than anything.
 
Also Stephen King continued to be incredibly productive after he kicked the habit, though he's gotten much more preachy afterwards. Could just be age.

As to the OP, ASoIaF started blowing chunks at A Feast for Crows, and it's only getting worse. At this point, I will be mostly content will a wikipedia entry on how shit wraps up. I really liked the Dunk and Egg sidestory - but wait! - those are on hold too!
 
Also Stephen King continued to be incredibly productive after he kicked the habit, though he's gotten much more preachy afterwards. Could just be age.

He was also in a bad car wreck 1999 which broke his hip and a few other bones. Even after multiple surgeries and therapy he still can't sit in a chair longer than an hour due to pain. That's probably why there's been a slowdown with his writing and an up-tick with political preachy activism shit.
 
He was also in a bad car wreck 1999 which broke his hip and a few other bones. Even after multiple surgeries and therapy he still can't sit in a chair longer than an hour due to pain. That's probably why there's been a slowdown with his writing and an up-tick with political preachy activism shit.
Well yeah but he got BTFO irl and still has a better work ethic than this fat fuck. King may write complete and utter garbage 99% of the time but his work ethic and drive has to be respected.
 
Some part of me feels for Martin. I think he bit off more than he can chew writing a series spanning seven gigantic novels filled with hundreds of characters and dozens upon dozens of subplots and now he's just tired of the main story. But unfortunately for him, being publicly honest about his feelings would be suicide for his career and the series as a whole so he has to keep on bullshitting with the fandom. And there's no sign this will be changing any time soon.
 
To be honest I did not care for the last two books of the series. It felt like they were as long as they were because he was being paid by the word. It felt like there was alot of stuff that could have been cut by an editor with a spine, just to keep the narrative more focused and less meandering.
 
Ending the series is going to be a shitshow, like it always is for this kind of stuff. The expectations are way too high. There's going to be book bonfires, smashing of DVD box sets, and autistic screeching on levels never seen before. It's no wonder the author dreads finishing or even continuing the story.
 
I just wonder how much of the plot was planned ahead and how much he changed on the go...
Could be that he's written himself into so many corners that he simply can't end the book, since so many plotthreads are going precisely nowhere and don't connect with anything in the long run.

Anyway, this could be a great fantasy series of books, but it needs to be finished. If it ends up unfinished or half-way salvaged by bringing in some other writer to pick up after GRRM does the Stark, that's gonna be a bummer.
 
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Also Stephen King continued to be incredibly productive after he kicked the habit, though he's gotten much more preachy afterwards. Could just be age.

As to the OP, ASoIaF started blowing chunks at A Feast for Crows, and it's only getting worse. At this point, I will be mostly content will a wikipedia entry on how shit wraps up. I really liked the Dunk and Egg sidestory - but wait! - those are on hold too!
Feast and Dance are the ultimate examples of why you plot your fucking novels- they only got so unwieldy because Martin infamously writes largely as goes along, and often would go off track- which is why ASoIaF bloated from ta trilogy to five book then to seven. He literally had no idea what to do with Dany's plot because he had no idea what his goal with it was, and he had to ax a planned timeskip because of it.

The series would probably be done by now if he had plotted out what the fuck Maareen was ultimately going to do beforehand. Doesn't it ultimately amount to jackshit, too?
 
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