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Hedgehog-defensive stateChris said:
Hedgehog. Defensive. State
That is genuinely the best thing I've heard in a long ass time
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Hedgehog. Defensive. State
That is genuinely the best thing I've heard in a long ass time
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You tried to be reasonable with an unreasonable person. I don't mean to sound trite, but there is nowhere to really go once someone starts ranting about CPU goddesses.
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He likely assumed he would grow quills to keep people away.
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So Chris was...trying to spin dash away with his so-called Hedgehog-defensive state?
Or was he just curling up in hopes no one messed with him because his imaginary quills would stick a person?
Just when I thought Chris couldn't get any more insane this happens.
Or was he just curling up in hopes no one messed with him because his imaginary quills would stick a person?
Just when I thought Chris couldn't get any more insane this happens.
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I do think Chris is going a bit loony with all his fantasies, but in this one case, I think it might have just been a cute name. Sort of like how the Romans called their defensive formation that enclosed a unit with shields the "Testudo", or "tortoise"; I don't think any legionnaires assumed that they'd suddenly grow a shell, it's just a decent way of describing something in a way that people can readily understand. (Of course, the Romans didn't have a universal cultural autism, so they named their defense position after something that people with social lives would recognize instead of a fucking cartoon hedgehog.)
edit: none of what i believe here diminishes how extremely fucking hilarious the phrase "hedgehog defensive state" is
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Going to back Null up here.
Chris finds the world of fantasy a place to escape real life and all it's dangers and difficulty.
If allowed to keep returning to fantasy and in fact encouraging it, you encourage a further retreat from reality.
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I realize this is OT To a degree, but is his sudden interest in repairing the old C64 not for the nostalgia as a momento of his dad, but because he believes there’s another CPU Goddess in there trying to break free from a broken machine? And am I reading this correctly and does Chris actually BELIEVE that the CPU goddesses TOLD HIM To go to TMG to confirm some suspicious CPU Goddess plot? Forgive me if I got this all wrong, but that’s what I thought I read in his reply.
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Except Null ignored it in that conversation instead of confronting it, from Chris's perspective he may as well have encouraged it.
NORMAL people, tend to be emboldened when they knowingly display their questionable antics without resulting in being called out for it. That's how viewpoints and actions get normalized within a community. That's how echo chambers happen. On a larger scale you see that come to a head right now in Hollywood where the old people have been getting away with abuse and it's only coming to a head after decades, when the victims finally managed to band together.
Add to that Chris's disability, which according to Marvin makes him have a hard time recognizing consequences in the first place, and you really have to be extremely direct when confronting Chris to stop something. Null just pretended the entire diatribe on CPU girls was never said, when did that ever got Chris to quit something? We specifically saw Doopie ignore being called "dear" and we know how that ended up.
And now it's too late, because even if he is confronted now, the point in time between Chris typing that message and the confrontation would be too far apart for him to associate the consequence with the action. You'll have to wait until the next time he spews that delusion before you can confront it with any effect, and even then it would never be as effective as if he was confronted the first time, because he will have latched onto how Null gave him a pass the first time so he is already attached to the concept that "there's always a chance people will silently accept it."
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Imo, it would be best to ignore Chris' diatribes right now and focus on the point of the conversation. If Null wants this to work, he can't do everything at once. (And it should be addressed by a professional)
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I think we all have our own "Hedgehog Defensive State", really. Mine is slumped in the corner passed out on benzos.
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I disagree with this on the basis of how you explain normal people exhibiting abnormal patterns of behavior consciously and then relating it to Hollywood’s abnormal behaviors that were widely scrutinized by the general public. Normal people with normal functioning brains won’t actively do questionable things that they know would be viewed as questionable and strange. Normal people can pick up social ques and understand when they’ve made someone uncomfortable. But an abnormal person will actively do questionable things at the expense of others because they do not care about social rules, norms, or the feelings of others. They may pretend to be normal, but eventually the mask will slip. Abnormal people have no qualms with infringing their abnormalities on others, and will never take responsibility for their actions because they lack the ability to perceive empathy.
Chris is not normal and shouldn’t be held to the standards of what a normal person would/should/could do. That’s not me making an excuse for his behavior, it’s just the simple truth. Had Null confronted him about his CommadoreLore, the result would have been total derailment wherein Chris would curtly explain that Null was wrong and proceed to defend his CPUgoddesses, CWCville family, and delusions. The original point would then be completely lost.
Autism makes you a contrarian know-it-all. And it also eliminates nuance and allows only for black-and-white thinking. And if you try to reason/argue with them, they will fervently defend that they are right using whatever they can pull out their ass as their logic for why they are right and you are wrong. To even politely suggest they might be wrong is seen as a personal and deliberate attack on them and their personhood. Your kind effort will not be seen as kind and will never be reflected on as kindness or concern, but as bullying and assault.
In short: Null didn’t “give Chris a pass” by ignoring his CPUwaifu rant. He would have found a way to talk about it at some point to whoever he was talking to. Chris didn’t want to talk about the subject matter and attempted to change it to things that make Chris happy. Even unprovoked autists will find a way to talk your ear off about something that has no relation to what was originally being discussed because they don’t care about proper social discourse, they just want to talk about Sonic/Fairy Tale/whatever their special interest is. Null going back to the actual discussion was—at most—annoying to Chris because he wanted to talk about CPUladies and their sexy HDMI inputs, so he sent a curt, indignant reply and fucked off to his maladaptive daydreaming.
It’s not that Chris “doesn’t care” in the same way a normal person “doesn’t care.” It’s not apathy or indifference or even malice. It’s simply the black-and-white thinking. If Chris likes it, he obsessesively cares about it to the point where it becomes an aspect of himself and to attack it means to attack him. If it doesn’t interest him, then it’s off his radar and he will go back to the things he is interested in. And if it tells him he is wrong...well there’s a whole CWCiki showing his many excuses for why he is right and everyone else is wrong.
It’s not that Chris “doesn’t care” in the same way a normal person “doesn’t care.” It’s not apathy or indifference or even malice. It’s simply the black-and-white thinking. If Chris likes it, he obsessesively cares about it to the point where it becomes an aspect of himself and to attack it means to attack him. If it doesn’t interest him, then it’s off his radar and he will go back to the things he is interested in. And if it tells him he is wrong...well there’s a whole CWCiki showing his many excuses for why he is right and everyone else is wrong.
Tl;dr Chris thinks in black and white/all-or-none logic and people really need to stop presuming he is capable of rationally accepting his bad behavior as “bad”.
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All Chris's weird hedgehog shit, I keep imagining the human/porcupine hybrid from Fringe. I'm hoping Chris's version involves more rainbows and sparkles, and less teeth falling out and bleeding from all orofices.
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Sound logic, but we aren't starting from square one with Chris. We already know that actively not provoking his quirks never worked (from the aforementioned Doopie being called dear, to his complacency at Game Place resulting in him basically commandeering the TV and getting banned, to his complacency at End Games resulting in him forcing Sonichu art on the store decor and getting banned.) There has been a pattern of taking a mile if you give Chris an inch, and we know from the immediate chat that confronting Chris about his most recent mistake is at least getting a response.
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The thing there is that Chris generally doesn't understand how technology even works on that level. To him, he thinks consoles and computers are in fact two completely different things, when in reality consoles are just specialized pre-built computer hardware/software bundles with specific peripherals (though not so much these days) that you can plug and play.
And while Chris COULD have a gaming rig built for that purpose, he doesn't have a clue where he could have such a thing done, and he cares more about video game name brands being the source of this combined gaming console machine because of the Hyperdimension Neptunia bullshit he's obsessed with giving the brands and individual consoles identities.
The joke would be on Torren because if I'm not mistaken, Chris still has Barb do all the legal paperwork and shit.
And then there's all the pet shit. Casa de Potato may be a dump but it doesn't have a multitude of un-housebroken pets living inside of it beyond the potato himself.
Pretty much.
The time Bluespike held "Julie" and the PSN network accounts hostage and forced Chris to make a choice? Chris chose Julie not so much because obviously a human life (especially your supposed girlfriend) being safe is more valuable than a fucking video game thing you can replace, but because Chris knew that was the morally superior choice...meaning he then believed he should get BOTH Julie and the PSN accounts back because that's what happens in kids shows all the time and not because he actually valued Julie over the vidya access.
After the destruction of the Sonichu medalions? Chris immediately started blathering on about how the 'true' source of his power was that stupid graduation ring - the same ring that he willingly would have sacrificed in an instant if it meant truly securing a girlfriend when Marvin and co. orchestrated Chris having a GF under the best conditions (and Chris simply acted like a child in every encounter). He then later sold the ring for I think a grand because now he just needs money and sacrificing one of the last things he had from the 'glory days' of MHS didn't even phase him.
Those are just the two examples I can think of off the top of my head. Chris is dangerously easy to manipulate if you play to his interests because he's so single-track minded.
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So, I agree in theory.
However, people have tried to upend the stupid fantasyland that Chris lives in.
Chris' response is logically the same as "anything is possible, right? maybe we're living in the matrix mannnnn
".Heh, you have to basically get into a metaphysical debate about the nature of reality. And after you finish your piece, Chris will respond with simply "hmm, yeah, I disagree, I think da cartoons are real, because when I think in my head to pinkie pie, she says back [in chris' goofy cartoon falsetto] 'yes christine I'm totally real and you're totally hot', so yeh, I think she's real. hmm, yeh".
Giving Chris strong social resistance to his insanity won't make him any more sane. It'll just make him stop expressing it to you. So if another idea guy gets in (unlikely, but people are retarded so yeah), then Chris won't talk to you about it.
In fact, Idea Guy almost pulled off silence with Chris. Chris would clam up whenever someone asked him about how he's talking to Rosechu. It was bizarre because I've never seen Chris successfully stay quiet about a troll before. Even ones who had the forethought to tell Chris to keep quiet, we could always wheedle the information out of him.
Honestly, I think Chris should watch Penn and Teller's Bullshit. That's like my best idea to curb this nonsense. (But that's not saying much, because I'm all out of ideas.) Chris loves Mythbusters, right? Mediocre pop science? Well, how about mediocre pop skepticism.
At the very least, maybe Chris can learn to spot some scammers in the future. "if you're really rosechu, how many fingers am I holding up?" shit like that.
God, Chris is like the perfect person to buy into wicca and dowsing and homeopathic medicine and all that stupid bullshit.
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I dunno, dude. Just tell 'em a space princess lives in it or some shit.
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As an open, unashamed aspie, @Null did the wisest thing he could.
Autistic people not only have their own weird logic they escape to to explain the world, playing along is interpreted as endorsement.
Ignoring it is NOT endorsement. I speak from experience on that, as a child, I had a few Chris like fantasies, like many children do, and my parents were always unwilling to indulge me and made sure I knew reality and my fantasy did not mix.
As a result, I grew up realizing the world of fantasy and reality did not coincide and grew up acknowledging I had to live in the flesh and blood world.
Granted, it's a tad late in Chris' case, he's been indulged or otherwise allowed to retreat to fantasy long enough he considers it normal, but Null, if nothing else, has refused to make that worse, which frankly is all you can really do at this point.
Saying Null should have done more at this point is asinine given more would entail doing for Chris what his parents should have done decades ago, and that is neither Null's responsibility, nor should it be.
And, at the risk of a-logging, Idea Guy did real psychological damage to Chris by encouraging his retreat to fantasy, and I hope that asshole never lives down further crippling the psyche of a man whose sense of reality is already more tenuous than it should be.
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Would have been cool if he started somersaulting away from everybody.
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