Multi-level marketing/pyramid schemes and the people who fall for them

Does anyone know what the obsession with "toxins" in the woo crowd is? I remember being half-drunk and watching infomercials at 2AM (I have one of those schedules) and hearing some guy talk about an enemic that purges (what else) "toxins" from the body. Every time I run into the essential oils/organic food/natural living/woo crowd, that word always crops up.

So toxins are a catch all that allows you to blame every issue you have on various elements in your life (environment, food, water, air, even clothes and furnishings in your home). It absolves people of their poor life choice (shit diet, drinking too much, not exercising) and places the blame squarely on forces that are beyond control.

People love the idea of a quick fix and it seems that the grosser it is, the more attractive it becomes. There’s a colon cleanse out there that’s supposed remove toxins, built up waste plaque, and parasites from the lining of the intestines. There are entire websites dedicated to people posting pictures of their colon cleanse shit, with long ropey fecal matter proudly displayed as if it were a prize catch.

(Side note: when you ingest pure fiber in massive quantities you shit out a huge fiber turd that’s shaped like your intestines)

People are suckers and there will always be a gimmick out there to profit off of their stupidity/desperation.
 
Does anyone know what the obsession with "toxins" in the woo crowd is?

@Stephanie Bustcakes has already offered a good explanation. (edit) Ditto for @snuffleupagus' reply ahead of mine.

To add to these, I'd say that many MLM people shamelessly use scare tactics, sensationalized hype, and exaggeration to pitch their products. Claiming these products can rid the body of toxins is one such example. After all, people don't want to be told their body is full of icky toxins. Also, taking into consideration many people won't do any research into these products or their cure-all claims, their initial reaction to such comments usually boils down to, "OMG! How can I get these toxins out of me?! :o"
 
Oh boy, time to powerlevel.

My mom has been buying into this garbage since the 90's. From PartyLite to Younique, LipSense, and Scentsy. She even got my sister into it (LuLaRoe, 31 Gifts, and aforementioned brands). These companies directly go after impoverished women and stay at home moms who don't know better and think they're actually running their own business. Growing up in poverty, and knowing what I know now of the PartyLite and other companies' bullshit is infuriating. It drives people who are already barely making ends meet into furthering their debt and being worse off than before by falsely creating a sense of empowerment and success.

Out of all the companies out there, these are the most morally bankrupt. They create an ecosystem where the people at the bottom are getting pennies for shilling their crappy products while the ones at the top reap the rewards, and it spreads like a virus. These women go to other women promoting how amazing it is to get more rewards for signing up more victims, and the cycle perpetuates.
 
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Or you could just, you know, give the family the $8,000 so they can afford their child's treatment.

I'm not even that angry at this, I'm just trying to understand what would compel someone to write this.
 
Back when I got to Hood in the early 90's, there was like 4 scum-fuck Senior NCO's selling Herbalife and Amway. These 4 guys were the worst caricatures of abusive shamming faggot SNCO's you've ever seen. They had that shit on the sides of their cars with stickers, would constantly try to push that shit on the lower enlisted. And I'm sorry, but all lower enlisted are borderline retarded. We're talking buying cars at 22% interest, credit cards at 35%, shit like that, and these four constantly tried to con 17-19 year olds to join their "limited business opportunity!"

A Captain and a Major in 1st Cavalry Division got into Amway, and they were featured by Amway as proof Amway works because supposedly they were able to retire due to the amount of money they were making with Amway. All of the Amway people were always showing a blurrily photocopied page with the "newspaper article" of the supposed "retirement party" of the officers that looked more like a wedding and I noticed the rank changed depending on who was telling it.

It got bad enough that the Brigade Commander came down on that shit. No more putting that shit on the side of cars, no more handing out business cards or trying to recruit people.

I remember when Dish Network was kind of an MLM scam. Again, in the 90's. You'd have guys contacting you, talking about selling you a "franchise license" to sell Dish Network dishes in your local area. Of course, if people got good penetration, Dish Network put in an official office and the guy who spent all the time selling the dishes got booted and his license revoked.

Web-TV was another one that was everywhere. Selling internet to grandma's for their shitty grand-kids to connect to AOL and the internet. They operated just like Amway, forcing you to buy the Web-TV consoles and then go door to door selling them.

One thing I've noticed over the years, is they always hold a kind of low-key recruitment with a few precisely chosen people in Middle Class areas, but in the lower income areas, they take out ads and shit and do recruitment drive blitzes to get as many people as they can to sign up. Those drives are a bonanza for someone, since if you do it right (And I've seen entire hotel auditoriums filled up with prospective clients) you can sell two or three hundred "starter packs" a month. That's where the money really is, not convincing a handful of friends to sell whatever it is your selling, but selling the base kits, since they're the most expensive and have the most markup. (I've gone to one or two of them for free donuts and to go with friends so I could talk them out of it)

They do this with a shotgun approach in the lower income areas (Areas around military bases are overrun with dependents shilling MLM crap).

They do the whole "It's not a pyramid scheme, it's multi-level-marketing!" thing, because pyramid schemes are illegal. They talk all about how their products are so important nobody will be able to turn them down.

But the big thing they do, is "passive income". THIS is why the recruitment is so hard, and you end with everyone in need of a few extra bucks are involved in it and trying to sell. For those of you that don't know how this goes:

They tell you that everything you sell, you have to buy the item, you sell it, part of the profit goes to the guy above you, you keep the rest. However, if you convince someone to sell under you, then you get a cut of everything they sell. If you get 10 people, you get a percentage of what they sell. However, IF you can convince those 10 to get 10 people selling, you also get the additional income from them. So you're getting a cut of 110 people's work. JUST LIKE A REAL BUSINESS!

See how if you don't understand exponential growth works, this sounds great. I know Amway promised you a cut of the work from up to three levels down, don't know about any of the others. They also claimed that because you were running a real business, even your kids/grandkids could inherit your true and honest business.

Now, here's where it gets even scummier.

They know most of the people who get into this aren't going to really do their books close, so they encourage you constantly to reinvest what you earn back into buying more product, more start kits, all to sell. They actually teach people accounting, but wrong, meaning a LOT of these people are shocked when they discover they've actually LOST money, no matter how much they sell, not matter how many tens of thousands of dollars of product they move. See, they aren't making money for them, they're making money for the people above them. And the people above them encourage their "downline" to pour everything into the "business" with the MLM. Every last penny you have should be poured into the business. With Amway, you shouldn't buy anything in the store you could buy out of the Amway catalogue.

I've heard of people taking out a mortgage on their house to plow back into their "business" in order to boost profits.

It's run like a cult, big time.

Nobody makes money except for the "Diamond/Ruby Distributors", most of whom have the same pictures as they've had since the 1970's.

These new companies like Younique and the essential oil business don't actually make any money for anyone but the people who manufacture the shit they sell, and the people who initially came up with the scam as well as the early adopters.

In a way, it's like bitcoin. The only people to make money are the people who run massive server farms (con a whole neighborhood into buying starter packs), who got in early when nobody else was doing it, or the people selling the hardware used to mine.

There's an old saying about this shit: "The only people who made money during the Gold Rush were the guys selling shovels."
 
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My wife invites loads of these people over and wastes a ton of their time testing shit for free before going and buying the same products half price on eBay. At this point I'm fairly sure she likes torturing them because she does the best impression of a 'sap' I've ever seen before ruthlessly chuckling as she denies them a meager income. God I love that woman.
 
The only MLM I’ve been tempted to buy myself is Scentsy because I’m into that wax melt stuff, but their claims are laughable and I can get just as good or better for less. Plus their warmers, cute as they are, suck ass from what I hear.

My mom bought from Avon and The Pampered Chef from friends as a kid. I remember them being fine (I particularly have fond memories of a scented Avon polish and their Skin So Soft line) but I’m sure you can get The Pampered Chef type stuff for cheaper elsewhere.

A form of MLM stands are all over my local mall. One time a guy shilling a curling iron that allegedly doesn’t burn you grabbed me before I could run away and took my hand onto it. Then he told me I was bullshitting him about it burning me even as I showed him the red, blistering mark forming.
 
The only MLM I’ve been tempted to buy myself is Scentsy because I’m into that wax melt stuff, but their claims are laughable and I can get just as good or better for less. Plus their warmers, cute as they are, suck ass from what I hear.

My mom bought from Avon and The Pampered Chef from friends as a kid. I remember them being fine (I particularly have fond memories of a scented Avon polish and their Skin So Soft line) but I’m sure you can get The Pampered Chef type stuff for cheaper elsewhere.

A form of MLM stands are all over my local mall. One time a guy shilling a curling iron that allegedly doesn’t burn you grabbed me before I could run away and took my hand onto it. Then he told me I was bullshitting him about it burning me even as I showed him the red, blistering mark forming.
You can straight up buy Avon online from their own distributor if you want to avoid the MLM bullshit (there's a body cream they have that smells incredible that I get from their online store).

That kiosk salesman should have been reported.
 
My mom bought from Avon and The Pampered Chef from friends as a kid.

I didn't realize Pampered chef was MLM. I can add that to the list of MLMs friends have promoted.

I had a friend who finished culinary school in an out of state location and invited friends to a Pampered Chef get together once she returned home again. I though about going since we hadn't been in regular touch during the time she was out of state, but someone who discouraged me from going because it sounded like a sales pitch. In retrospect, that likely proved correct, and I'm glad I took the advice and stayed home.

That kiosk salesman should have been reported.

Agreed. When I read @toilet_rainbow 's post, I thought that sounded abusive at the very least, if not criminal. :heart-empty:
 
I've got it! We should start a Kiwi Farms MLM so we can all get fat and rich off the rubes and retire before we're 50 (unless you're already older than that, in which case you can afford a nice nursing home).
I'll have you know my daughters have already picked out a perfectly fine crooked nursing home, complete with non-English speaking nurses who will steal my medication.

Good day, sir.
 
That kiosk salesman should have been reported.

Agreed. When I read @toilet_rainbow 's post, I thought that sounded abusive at the very least, if not criminal. :heart-empty:

I really should've in retrospect. I was younger and so horrified and in pain that my main concern was to cool down the burn and get out. Now I walk much faster when I'm by the kiosks the rare time I'm at the mall.

I'm guessing that the guy was desperate to meet his sale quota. Still unacceptable. You shouldn't have to prey on potential customers to make a buck.
 
I think what I find most obnoxious about the people involved in multi-level and affiliate marketing schemes is the way that they tend to describe themselves as "entrepreneurs".

I don't know what they think the term is supposed to mean, but as far as I'm concerned, an entrepreneur is someone who has done something innovative, and made a success of it, not some unscrupulous chancer who spends every waking hour outside of working a minimum wage job trying to latch onto the next big get-rich-quick racket.
 
I don't know what they think the term is supposed to mean, but as far as I'm concerned, an entrepreneur is someone who has done something innovative, and made a success of it, not some unscrupulous chancer who spends every waking hour outside of working a minimum wage job trying to latch onto the next big get-rich-quick racket.

I'm not sure how many US Kiwis experienced Project Junior Achievement in Junior high/Middle School, but I was one such student. During his first presentation, our business professional defined an entrepreneur as a risk taker who has an idea.

With that in mind, MLM people certainly don't have their own ideas, so I can't really consider them entrepreneurs. However, they do risk losing their money, their friends, and their reputation when they get too pushy and when their MLM venture ultimately fails. Can we give them half-credit? :biggrin:
 
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It's really bad how much these scammers prey on people who are low-income or who have limited social opportunities so feel pressured to buy. There's always more consultants of this junk in small towns in Montana than there are in all of New York City. A lot of these scams now start or thrive among Mormons for the same social reasons.
 
I'm not sure how many US Kiwis experienced Project Achievement in Junior high/Middle School, but I was one such student. During his first presentation, our business professional defined an entrepreneur as a risk taker who has an idea.

With that in mind, MLM people certainly don't have their own ideas, so I can't really consider them entrepreneurs. However, they do risk losing their money, their friends, and their reputation when they get too pushy and when their MLM venture ultimately fails. Can we give them half-credit? :biggrin:

I think that definition is too broad to be useful. If a willingness to lose money on a financial gamble is all it takes to be an entrepreneur, then what's stopping us from applying the label to a deadbeat gambling addict who bets away their children's life savings on a game of roulette?
 
The only MLM I’ve been tempted to buy myself is Scentsy

What the fuck is up with these candles and why do people keep buying them?
I have been involved with an organization that provides services for MLMs. We once got a bunch of samples to fuck around with at an event and it was all fucking trash. The most successful of all the products were literally scented candles.
 
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