Containment Random Thoughts & Questions

[Kosher Dill]

Wherever you stand on it, I don't think it is possible to claim that mainstreaming has no merits. Noone knows where Chris would have been without it. Maybe he would have been better off, maybe worse off.

But now that we've seen Chris's schoolwork courtesy of Skyraider, it's pretty clear that Chris wasn't mainstreamed in any meaningful sense of the word. He may have physically sat in the same classroom as the mainstream students (sleeping half the time) and received the same assignments, but he was allowed to turn in nonsensical garbage work and still pass. He really got the worst of both worlds - he didn't get teaching designed for his level, or assistance in rising to the level of the teaching.

 

[Abethedemon]

I think I read somewhere that children with older fathers are more at risk for mental illness
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/children-with-older-dads-at-greater-mental-illness-risk/
Does this fall in line with Chris and Bob?

 

[timtommy]

But now that we've seen Chris's schoolwork courtesy of Skyraider, it's pretty clear that Chris wasn't mainstreamed in any meaningful sense of the word. He may have physically sat in the same classroom as the mainstream students (sleeping half the time) and received the same assignments, but he was allowed to turn in nonsensical garbage work and still pass. He really got the worst of both worlds - he didn't get teaching designed for his level, or assistance in rising to the level of the teaching.

There is a lot of really half-assed and shitty assignments turned in at any high school. He did receive some help, in the form of coping skills classes and so on, and maybe some teachers did offer additional help.

We don't know where Chris would have ended up had he not been mainstreamed. I think the most likely outcome is he would be in a really similar position, except probably without his CADD degree. And maybe he would have been even worse off had he stayed in Greene. If nothing else, the fact that he has fairly pleasant memories of his time in the Chesterfield school system and miserable memories of his time in Greene must count for something.

 

[The Joker]

The Wallflower? She was a little tismal over Ghost Hunters.

I think that the wallflower was just eccentric, not autistic.

 

[drmccoy]

he's not gonna grow up, he's a Toys R Us kid (with a large debt on his Toys R Us credit card)

I wanted to be a Toys R Us kid until I worked there for 9 months in 2004-2005. Let me tell you, that place sucks the child-like love right the fuck out of you. I met some of my best friends/drinking buddies there. We drank because we hated the giraffe. And the guy playing the giraffe puked inside the costume at least twice due to a hangover caused by, you guessed it, drinking because of the giraffe.

When I worked there I dealt with guys Chris's age but those were mostly collectors. Star Wars/Hot Wheels/Transformers/WWF/Whatever. They were just as bad at times. You have never experianced humor until you've seen an unwashed 50+ year old man speed walking to the Hot Wheels display everyday then accusing the manager on duty (an awesome dude) of hiding all the "good" Hot Wheels and re-selling them. Quite a memory. I can only imagine the horror of Chris at the Chesterfield, VA location.

 

[TrippinKahlua]

This is a really stupid question, but who is Chris' favorite pony? Is it Derpy? Is it someone else?

Maybe its Fizzy, or Wind Whistler or North Star or Sweet Stuff or Baby Lickity Split

 

[Coldgrip]

There is a lot of really half-assed and shitty assignments turned in at any high school. He did receive some help, in the form of coping skills classes and so on, and maybe some teachers did offer additional help.

We don't know where Chris would have ended up had he not been mainstreamed. I think the most likely outcome is he would be in a really similar position, except probably without his CADD degree. And maybe he would have been even worse off had he stayed in Greene. If nothing else, the fact that he has fairly pleasant memories of his time in the Chesterfield school system and miserable memories of his time in Greene must count for something.

And those assignments receive the low grade they deserve. Chris' assignments (for the most part) didn't though. Unlike every other student that was held to the class standard, he allowed to put in minimal effort and still receive a passing grade. While I agree we don't know where Chris would of ended up had he not been mainstreamed, I think Kosher Dill is right in that mainstreaming wasn't the best option for Chris.

I think that the wallflower was just eccentric, not autistic.

I dunno, writing Ghost Hunter and Yugioh slash fiction seems just a little autistic to me.

 

[Gensdupays]

How exactly did the Manchester High documents get "leaked?" Did someone just sift through the detritus at the fire scene?

 

[Kosher Dill]

I think Kosher Dill is right in that mainstreaming wasn't the best option for Chris.

Well, you never know - there's a chance that if they really had tried to hold him to mainstream standards, he could have risen to the occasion, with the requisite extra support and instruction from his teachers. But...
http://www.sonichu.com/w/images/2/23/US_GOV_001.jpg
I think it would have had to be a lot of extra support.

(Also: I don't know how I didn't notice "LAME DUCK" the first time around: http://www.sonichu.com/w/images/e/e9/US_GOV_002.jpg )

 

[Henry Bemis]

How exactly did the Manchester High documents get "leaked?" Did someone just sift through the detritus at the fire scene?

Pretty much. Completely legal, too, even if it does lend legitimacy to Chris's claims about being stalked and harassed. Fortunately (for us), he barely knows anyone under forty who knows what an Internet is.

 

[Joan Nyan]

And those assignments receive the low grade they deserve. Chris' assignments (for the most part) didn't though. Unlike every other student that was held to the class standard, he allowed to put in minimal effort and still receive a passing grade.

I don't know about that, in most of my classes everybody gets good grades for minimal effort. Then again, most of my teachers don't give a shit about teaching and just want a paycheck.

 

[normankrasner]

I don't know about that, in most of my classes everybody gets good grades for minimal effort. Then again, most of my teachers don't give a shit about teaching and just want a paycheck.

how did much $ did teachers at MHS make in the late 90s?

 

[whitepaws]

Has Chris reacted to the ongoing news about the missing student in Charlottesville? I wonder if he is even aware of it.

 

[Henry Bemis]

how did much $ did teachers at MHS make in the late 90s?

Probably as much as any other Virginian teacher, given the thoroughly average example that Manchester serves. Perhaps slightly moreso in those halcyon pre-NCLB days.

 

[timtommy]

And those assignments receive the low grade they deserve. Chris' assignments (for the most part) didn't though. Unlike every other student that was held to the class standard, he allowed to put in minimal effort and still receive a passing grade. While I agree we don't know where Chris would of ended up had he not been mainstreamed, I think Kosher Dill is right in that mainstreaming wasn't the best option for Chris.

My point was that a lot of work in high school is pretty shoddy and still gets decent grades, because it is on par or better than other kids shoddy work. Even our own work. If you have any of your old high school assignments around, take a look at them, they are probably crappier than you remember. If you aren't in high school anymore, it is easy to lose sight of how much you have grown since then. Maybe Chris received some grade inflation, but I don't think it was a massive amount.

I think the greatest benefit of non-mainstreaming for Chris would be that he might be more accepting of his autism and other autistics. That might make him more open to programs and support and other things that would provide him with a good peer group and maybe employment opportunities at his speed.

His hatred of other autistics is kind of gross, but I think it is not necessarily a product of his mainstreaming. I would say that both his bigotry and his mainstreaming were the product of his parents' philosophy.

 

[Coldgrip]

My point was that a lot of work in high school is pretty shoddy and still gets decent grades, because it is on par or better than other kids shoddy work. Even our own work. If you have any of your old high school assignments around, take a look at them, they are probably crappier than you remember. If you aren't in high school anymore, it is easy to lose sight of how much you have grown since then. Maybe Chris received some grade inflation, but I don't think it was a massive amount

Regardless of how poor his peers work was, his was worse. Chris was held to a lower standard than his peers. This was a guy that either slept in class, was reading goosebumps, or was drawing pictures of pokémon and sonic. I don't think his grades were inflated, I think teachers just didn't expect much from him.

I think the greatest benefit of non-mainstreaming for Chris would be that he might be more accepting of his autism and other autistics. That might make him more open to programs and support and other things that would provide him with a good peer group and maybe employment opportunities at his speed.

His hatred of other autistics is kind of gross, but I think it is not necessarily a product of his mainstreaming. I would say that both his bigotry and his mainstreaming were the product of his parents' philosophy.

I agree with both these points. Though I'd say Borb mainstreaming him was less philosophy and more laziness and embarrassment on their part.

 

[timtommy]

I agree with both these points. Though I'd say Borb mainstreaming him was less philosophy and more laziness and embarrassment on their part.

Maybe embarassment. But for Bob at least it wasn't laziness. He moved half way accross the state and spent his retirement years being a fairly single parent to a weird teenager.

 

[Stud2Stud]

I think the greatest benefit of non-mainstreaming for Chris would be that he might be more accepting of his autism and other autistics. That might make him more open to programs and support and other things that would provide him with a good peer group and maybe employment opportunities at his speed.

I think if he had gotten a special education with other people with similar disabilities, he might have become less self-centred, less bigoted and who knows? Maybe even have found a genuine friend or two, someone to hang out with. The last point is incredibly important, since that would have had such a big influence on his behaviour. It's my firm believe, just one bro to hang out with and Chris wouldn't be the way he is today. He'd still be autistic, but a root of a LOT of Chris' early problems was his social awkwardness and his loneliness. But we'll never know, so this is all a moot point.

 

[Coldgrip]

Chris had genuine friends. He drove them away.

 

[Ravenor]

I feel sorry that Chris never got to spend time with other people like himself, as Stud2Stud said he has inherited his view of other Special Educational Needs people from his folks who where never exposed to anyone of such a nature before they had one. If he was exposed to that group of kids in the school system while I doubt he would have a Friend like you or I have he would at least have some one he could socialize with or at least talk to on a semi regular basis about common interests, if he had that he would not be as big a lolcow as he is today.

One of Chris's main problems is he has no Common Group of Society he feel's at home in, he has this lesbian tomgirl kink that while I wish him all the best in if he genuinely feels that way (I have my doubts) and the LGBT community in his area, He hardly ever talks to anyone outside of his Mother, and the Server's at the local McDonald's, an whatever white knight is currently stroking his ego. Borb where products of there age who thought special education = institution an only knew the worst that there imagination could come up with an fought to keep there Child away from that an with the right nudge here right prod there he could be spared that, if not for Chris but for there own shame. And he has missed out, Socially, an developmentally because of it, he is hitting developmental landmarks late but has biology driving in another, if he had others to relate to he would not feel so alone in this world and would be more normal because of it.

An short of giving up all hope, feeling alone so deeply as he does is something I would not wish on anyone.