Diseased Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

[Kosher Dill]

What are you talking about? There's only like ten items, and the last patch update stated that the best rule of thumb was 'don't be an asshole to each other'.

There are actually 613 items, though a lot of that is legacy code kept in for backward compatibility with Temple 2.0 and Temple 1.0. No one even has those systems in production anymore, though a few retrocomputing enthusiasts are trying to code up an emulator.

 

[AnOminous]

With Linus' sudden change in behavior, it would seem the worst fears of many industry insiders has come to pass.

That was my first thought. It reads like something said by a guy with a gun to his head.

 

[beardedgoat]

Also Linuses daughter is pretty big into diversity too and her politics rubbing off on Linus is a more credible theory than "sjw dirt" imo. For example here she is praising Shanley Kane.

That apple fell pretty far from the talented tree.

 

[AnOminous]

That apple fell pretty far from the talented tree.

Maybe coding skill is encoded on the Y chromosome.

 

[Kosher Dill]

coding skill

Or as it's more commonly known: :autism:

 

[Marvin]

Either Linus had a personality transplant or there is some serious blackmail going on here. Makes me wonder if esr was actually onto something.
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6907

Since around 2008, there's been a persistent meme that radical feminist groups have been trying to dig up dirt on Linus or set up a situation where they could bring him to heel. In programming circles, it's been something of an open secret, with the accusations ranging from women trying to get in with him to get a backchannel in to Linux' open source community to the fucking horrifying (evidence that at least one group was trying to get Linus alone in a private area, then accuse him of sexual assault). It had gotten to the point where many veteran programmers were refusing to mentor female programmers due to fears of sexual assault claims by feminist groups.

With Linus' sudden change in behavior, it would seem the worst fears of many industry insiders has come to pass.

Heh, "industry insiders". I mean, I'm not ruling it out, but if esr is the only source for this I'm skeptical, to say the least.

Honestly, esr is just the right wing version of an sjw diversity hire. He's got strong, retarded opinions about stuff and doesn't actually do that much coding. He's pretty much libertarian Randi Harper.

I'm sure there's a small group of SJWs who really fantasize about pulling off some sort of coup like this. I just don't think there's many of them, and I really don't think it would realistically work. Also, for all their shit talking online, they're really not bold people IRL.

I think the numbers might be:

• many thousands of SJWs don't feel the need to fake this sort of thing because they inherently believe they're in the right. They think that because it's current year, the obvious moral superiority of their convictions speaks for itself.
• a few hundred SJWs feel that there's scummy guys in tech who molest women all the time. If someone accused Linus of something, these guys would buy it without any evidence backing it up.
• a few dozen SJWs feel that the guys in tech who practice wrongthink, might as well be molesting women. In their eyes, whether or not they actually do molest women is unnecessary nitpicking. But crucially, these people are almost entirely keyboard warriors. Having to stand up and risk having their lies examined by the public? Nah, most of them would pussy out.
• a dozen or so SJWs who actually have the cojones to try to frame a prominent tech person.
• and finally, I don't actually many blackmail targets in this business would actually cave to the blackmail. Especially someone as autistic as Torvalds. Most programmer autists would vociferously defend their reputation, because not only are they being blackmailed, they're getting blackmailed and they didn't even get the pussy in the first place. They're going to be irrationally worked up about that fact alone.
  
  Most of them are not socially aware enough to take a step back and consider the costs vs benefits of fighting the accusations.

The one other possibility is that perhaps Torvalds actually did do something. Probably not of his own initiative, but maybe some girl cornered him and he actually made an awkward pass. I think that's unlikely, but still possible.

At the end of the day, I think it's more likely that Linus is getting too old for this stuff. He's mellowing out.

 

[Hardinthepaint]

Linus' daughter signed away merit, more in this Reddit thread (archive)

Spoiler: Highlights

 

[Jaimas]

Heh, "industry insiders". I mean, I'm not ruling it out, but if esr is the only source for this I'm skeptical, to say the least.

Honestly, esr is just the right wing version of an sjw diversity hire. He's got strong, exceptional opinions about stuff and doesn't actually do that much coding. He's pretty much libertarian Randi Harper.

I'm sure there's a small group of SJWs who really fantasize about pulling off some sort of coup like this. I just don't think there's many of them, and I really don't think it would realistically work. Also, for all their shit talking online, they're really not bold people IRL.

I think the numbers might be:

• many thousands of SJWs don't feel the need to fake this sort of thing because they inherently believe they're in the right. They think that because it's current year, the obvious moral superiority of their convictions speaks for itself.
• a few hundred SJWs feel that there's scummy guys in tech who molest women all the time. If someone accused Linus of something, these guys would buy it without any evidence backing it up.
• a few dozen SJWs feel that the guys in tech who practice wrongthink, might as well be molesting women. In their eyes, whether or not they actually do molest women is unnecessary nitpicking. But crucially, these people are almost entirely keyboard warriors. Having to stand up and risk having their lies examined by the public? Nah, most of them would pussy out.
• a dozen or so SJWs who actually have the cojones to try to frame a prominent tech person.
• and finally, I don't actually many blackmail targets in this business would actually cave to the blackmail. Especially someone as autistic as Torvalds. Most programmer autists would vociferously defend their reputation, because not only are they being blackmailed, they're getting blackmailed and they didn't even get the pussy in the first place. They're going to be irrationally worked up about that fact alone.
  
  Most of them are not socially aware enough to take a step back and consider the costs vs benefits of fighting the accusations.

The one other possibility is that perhaps Torvalds actually did do something. Probably not of his own initiative, but maybe some girl cornered him and he actually made an awkward pass. I think that's unlikely, but still possible.

At the end of the day, I think it's more likely that Linus is getting too old for this stuff. He's mellowing out.

I honestly wish I had your level of confidence, and god, I hope you're right. But none of this is new, Marvin, and this is shit we've all seen by now, over and over. I don't know if I believe the claims that there was attempts to plant evidence against Linus Torvald, but I do absolutely believe that there's a contingent of caustic fucks who want control and don't care how many people they have to fuck over or platforms they have to destroy to make it happen, and I learned about 3 years ago that when it comes to these ideologues, these fucks tend to make the most paranoid accusations not only accurate, but plausible.

And when it comes to that mindset, Coraline Ada is one of the fucking worst.

When the creator of this awful CoC quite literally refers to her website as "the post-meritocracy manifesto," when she goes into screeds about how tech needs to get rid of white men, when she advocates violence against anyone who argues in favor of diversity of opinion, and when her works have managed to burrow through community after community like an engineered plague, I feel we can safely drop the old "don't attribute to malice what is more likely ignorance" canard. The shit brought up by this is intensly exclusionary and seeks to establish social control over every platform that remotely connects to it (to the point of trying to police interactions off-site and off-platform).

I don't want Open Source software to look like the Brianna Wu campaign, is what I'm getting at here.

 

[CIA Nigger]

I honestly wish I had your level of confidence, and god, I hope you're right. But none of this is new, Marvin, and this is shit we've all seen by now, over and over. I don't know if I believe the claims that there was attempts to plant evidence against Linus Torvald, but I do absolutely believe that there's a contingent of caustic fucks who want control and don't care how many people they have to fuck over or platforms they have to destroy to make it happen, and I learned about 3 years ago that when it comes to these ideologues, these fucks tend to make the most paranoid accusations not only accurate, but plausible.

And when it comes to that mindset, Coraline Ada is one of the fucking worst.

When the creator of this awful CoC quite literally refers to her website as "the post-meritocracy manifesto," when she goes into screeds about how tech needs to get rid of white men, when she advocates violence against anyone who argues in favor of diversity of opinion, and when her works have managed to burrow through community after community like an engineered plague, I feel we can safely drop the old "don't attribute to malice what is more likely ignorance" canard. The shit brought up by this is intensly exclusionary and seeks to establish social control over every platform that remotely connects to it (to the point of trying to police interactions off-site and off-platform).

I don't want Open Source software to look like the Brianna Wu campaign, is what I'm getting at here.

Pretty much this. A lot of people are seeing through it as a power grab attempt because that's what it is. That's also why the Linux thing is a massive deal to those involved in this on both sides of the coin. To them it's a turning point, it's either a big victory or a shattering of the idea of "it can't happen to us".

While there haven't been too many cases of projects turning to shit once they go woke in some manner besides the new coders fucking things up, a notable example of the end result of what happens when the focus shifts from talent to demographics is the GNOME project. Not only is the newest version of GNOME bloated, but in 2014 the GNOME team ran into money issues thanks to their diversity program. They were spending money on paid internships for women, trannies, and anyone who identified as "genderqueer" to the point where they lost money on this. A financial report for Gnome from 2014 shows they were burning through cash and redirecting it towards this women program:

Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/2015122...rg/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/GAR2014-web.pdf

Afterwards they spun the program off into Outreachy, which accepts those groups along with trans men and men who aren't white or Asian.

The most interesting thing about it is the list of sponsors, and as I said earlier "follow the money".

If companies like Google, Mozilla, MS, Red Hat, or Intel weren't throwing money at this they'd be broke for sure. It's why money being thrown at this is a theory just as plausible as "dirt on Linus".

 

[Marvin]

I honestly wish I had your level of confidence, and god, I hope you're right. But none of this is new, Marvin, and this is shit we've all seen by now, over and over. I don't know if I believe the claims that there was attempts to plant evidence against Linus Torvald, but I do absolutely believe that there's a contingent of caustic fucks who want control and don't care how many people they have to fuck over or platforms they have to destroy to make it happen, and I learned about 3 years ago that when it comes to these ideologues, these fucks tend to make the most paranoid accusations not only accurate, but plausible.

And when it comes to that mindset, Coraline Ada is one of the fucking worst.

When the creator of this awful CoC quite literally refers to her website as "the post-meritocracy manifesto," when she goes into screeds about how tech needs to get rid of white men, when she advocates violence against anyone who argues in favor of diversity of opinion, and when her works have managed to burrow through community after community like an engineered plague, I feel we can safely drop the old "don't attribute to malice what is more likely ignorance" canard. The shit brought up by this is intensly exclusionary and seeks to establish social control over every platform that remotely connects to it (to the point of trying to police interactions off-site and off-platform).

It's sick.

Like I said, it's not that there aren't people who wouldn't be happy if it happened. But there's a huge difference between wanting it to happen, and actually taking steps to make it happen yourself.

The logistics of pressing a false accusation onto someone aren't particular difficult. You corner them at some event and have a few of your dipshit friends verify your story. But the idea of going out in public, in front of everyone and accusing a well known tech person of a serious violation is going to be scary as shit to most people. What if the person has an alibi? What if you fuck up some minor detail of the story?

If you make a misstep, you'll probably ruin your career. They're scared of that. They're not bold people. They're coders. Coders are pussies.

I'm reminded of edgelords talking about how one day they'll grab a gun from a cop's holster.

Most SJWs, especially ones in tech, stick to mainstream SJW thought. As much as they bitch about the industry being sexist or whatever, they're grateful for being privileged enough to work in it. They'll do little passive aggressive shit like push these licenses on their employers or sign anti-meritocracy screeds, but by and large, they won't risk anything serious.

Telling the SJWs to shut up and do their work has literally zero negative impact. At worst, they might quit and you'll lose some dead weight. (Heh, ask LambdaConf (archive.is) how telling the SJWs to eat a dick went.)

They're as rebellious as small children running away from home, only to come back later when they're cold and hungry.

And if the only source for this rumor is esr? Yeah, sounds like paranoid nonsense.

Edit: Although I should say that this is currently the status quo. I do think people should start telling the SJWs to eat a dick more often, because they will get more bold and things will get worse.

Double edit: apparently the guy that precipitated that lambdaconf debacle was Curtis Yarvin.

They were spending money on paid internships for women, trannies, and anyone who identified as "genderqueer" to the point where they lost money on this.

lol

Can you say you're genderqueer but closeted so you don't want it bandied around everywhere?

 

[CrunkLord420]

probably a bad idea to label ourselves like that

 

[Stock Image Photographer]

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probably a bad idea to label ourselves like that

Besides the -gate suffix being overused, what would the whole thing even be? Linuxgate? CoCgate? Open-source-gate? Those are all stupid.

 

[Jaimas]

Some interesting chant has happened as very, very nerdy people have begun analyzing Linus' apology note, and discovered something odd:

A mixture of unicode and ASCII, suggesting that someone other than Linus also worked on it.

 

[AmpleApricots]

I find it more likely that he simply wrote it on different devices/reformatted with a different program. As much as I can't stand SJWs and especially trannys I feel people are reading too much into this. Dude worked on the same thing for ~30 years now and is now in the exact age range where people get into a mid-life crisis. Maybe he's just tired. Maybe he wants to do other things more. As far as I remember, he loves scuba diving. I was already thinking this in fact when he made that "scheduling error". For me it looked more like he simply didn't want to go, to be honest.

Maybe something personal happened that changed his view on a few things he didn't feel like sharing with the world. It's kinda ridiculous really to what lengths people go. I personally don't like this inclusion-above-everything and sucking tranny cock attitude, but I also don't think everything is a jewish conspiracy to exterminate the white race. Is there a room for people like me too? /sneed

It's another example though why having anything centralized in the software world is bad and having as many options as possible is always good. I hope this brings wind into other OSes. As much as I do like Linux, I didn't like how mainstream it is. Exactly stuff like that makes ugliness like SystemD pop up. I'd take a look at OpenBSD but they don't even support hardware acceleration for video decoding on AMD cards. That's just shameful tbh and a good example for how important it is that these projects get more developers.

EDIT: wow so many typos

EDIT2: Thinking some more about it, I think the problem for many people thinking the sky is falling now is that they don't really understand how these open source projects work. If you are on somebody's shitlist there, you are on somebodies shitlist. A CoC being there or not doesn't really matter in regards of if people let you into their treehouse or not. It's not paid work. You're not an employee. You can't sue them for discrimination. They can't let you contribute because they don't like your last name and there's nobody stopping them. It's never been different. The other way around is also true. What you can do then is fork. What they can do then is making forks difficult. The OSS world is full of such gay slapfights over much more ridiculous things.

If anyone thinks these CoCs are "politicizing" OSS then I've got news for you: These things are already 95% politics. Have been for a long time. Also some projects really, really do have shitty leadership and bad atmosphere. I don't know how it was with Linux in the last few years but it's also difficult to say what happened behind closed doors. The people crowded around Linus' are also not a bunch of talentless dangerhairs. If they actually had gripes with him they were probably legit.

 

[CIA Nigger]

Somebody (likely from /g/) emailed RMS about this and this pic has been floating around Twitter and more places.

https://twitter.com/CoralineAda/status/1041534615696166913 (https://archive.fo/OSpUY)
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Lundukes response to the Linux thing:

He's pretty optimistic considering you know, O’Sullivan’s law exists.

As for Coraline Ada well, they're cementing their power grabs.

https://archive.fo/XLUBg

 

[The Man From G.R.I.D.S.]

It's too bad tech nerds are so pathologically honest. They could easily steal all the diversity internships, awards, and competitions with low effort troonery.

Some day I want to write an explicitly racist/sexist/homophobic/Anti-Muslim hobbyist micro-kernel OS, complete with a license. "By using this OS you agree to all the terms of GPL v3 or greater, and: [long bullet list of bigoted assertions]."

I would need a distributed content hosting and delivery system first though. I have very high hopes that things like proof of work can make it feasible to proportionately compensate seeders/hosts.

As for Coraline Ada well, they're cementing their power grabs.
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https://archive.fo/XLUBg

1. It and its fellow orc kin are trying to build the Eye of Sauron (bad for us).
2. They're doing this with only PoC Troon brigade coders (lol ok).

 

[AnOminous]

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probably a bad idea to label ourselves like that

Who's going to break free of the mold of autistically calling shit foogate?

 

[byuu]

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Of course rms has to devote most of the email to sperg about "Linux kernel" (which btw is the term that even kernel.org and LKML use)

 

[AmpleApricots]

I like him, even if it's sperging. He sticks to his guns. We could use more of that nowadays.

If that tranny doesn't have a white cis guy on the team, who's going to actually program the thing though? My guess is he'll just pocket the money. They always do.

I also like how /r/linux (on reddit, of all places!) had a total meltdown and turned into shitlord central. People are so obviously tired of this SJW/tranny shit, maybe making the dangers of the SJW thought policing as clear as day is a good thing in the long run. I know, I'm being optimistic and all but still.

I also heard the donations for OpenBSD basically collapsed and a lot of devs left when the CoC was introduced there.

 

[awoo]

In the age of identity politics :autism:, we need to celebrate coding :autism: that gets shit done.