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Well it's not like he can quit his job and go get a real one, who is gonna hire a guy with 10+ years experience pretending he cares what peoples opinions are in the yotuube comments section?

I think Phillip gets enough money from his youtube channel, other advertisers and other means, either through patron or whatever (i don't know if he has a patreon).
This is about greed and yes, it is ok to get money from advertisements. You need food in your plate and Phillip has a family to take care of. But he fucked up this time and if he has integrity, which he clearly does not, the right thing to do was to say he fucked up, he is sorry, BetterHelp has indeed shady TOS, he should have been more aware of it and in the future, he would try his best to not make the same mistake.

He did jack shit. He refused to take responsibility, he defended BetterHelp. He tried to give the idea that the people are wrong about BetterHelp and they are actually good and bla bla bla damn those trolls talking shit about BetterHelp.
I think Phillip gets enough financial support without BH, but those extra shekels were too much for him to say no, and are still too much for him to say no. So much so he picked BH hill to die on.

His company, Rogue Rocket is the Ad agency in charge of the BetterHelp campaign.

https://www.roguerocket.com/

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There you have it. It isn't new, but that just shows Phillip isn't acting as a PR person protecting his investment. It's all business. No integrity, no ethics. He is trying to give the idea he is unbias, neutral. No. He isn't. He is a business man and he is protecting his investment.

He will never shit on BetterHelp because it is part of his business.
 
Well it's not like he can quit his job and go get a real one, who is gonna hire a guy with 10+ years experience pretending he cares what peoples opinions are in the yotuube comments section?

Just a reminder that Philip Defranco has a net worth in excess of $100,000,000; he isn't some Let's Player who will go back to working at GameStop if this youtube thing doesn't work out.
 
But he fucked up this time and if he has integrity, which he clearly does not, the right thing to do was to say he fucked up, he is sorry, BetterHelp has indeed shady TOS, he should have been more aware of it and in the future, he would try his best to not make the same mistake.

He's not sorry. BetterHelp is a client of his PR company, Rogue Rocket and he's probably made hundreds of thousands of dollars out of this.

What he'll do is work out a carefully vetted set of questions from critics of BH, script the question and answer session and then go through it with he BH CEO.

I.e. he'll interview some of the therapists, who'll all be sympathetic, not to mention telegenic about how much they care about helping people. And then he can interview the CEO/spokesperson. Of course it won't really be an interview because he'll have written both the questions and the answers to try to make BH look as good as possible and protect his revenue stream.

He's not some flailing sped like Sargon, MundaneMatt or KOP - he's a genuinely slippery PR pro trying to cover up corruption he directly benefits from.

There you have it. It isn't new, but that just shows Phillip isn't acting as a PR person protecting his investment. It's all business. No integrity, no ethics. He is trying to give the idea he is unbias, neutral. No. He isn't. He is a business man and he is protecting his investment.

Right and this is the insidious side to influencer marketing. He's convinced his fans that he's a user of BH just like they are. He recommended them because he likes them and as soon as he found out that they have a somewhat shady reputation he was shocked - shocked! - and is determined to get to the bottom of it.

Of course that's a load of bullshit. Someone as rich as him doesn't use BetterHelp - they can afford to get a top notch shrink to come out to their house. And he's not an unbiased observer trying to get to the bottom of the allegations against BH, he's a PR pro paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to debunk those allegations and portray them in the best light possible.
 
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Just a reminder that Philip Defranco has a net worth in excess of $100,000,000; he isn't some Let's Player who will go back to working at GameStop if this youtube thing doesn't work out.

That and YT channels like his will likely never go away. Not until YT itself dies. Once a creator is embedded and has an audience they will never really die off until YT itself pulls the rug out from under them as we've seen with the Fine Brothers and also DarkSydePhil.
 
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I think Phillip gets enough money from his youtube channel, other advertisers and other means, either through patron or whatever (i don't know if he has a patreon).
This is about greed and yes, it is ok to get money from advertisements. You need food in your plate and Phillip has a family to take care of. But he fucked up this time and if he has integrity, which he clearly does not, the right thing to do was to say he fucked up, he is sorry, BetterHelp has indeed shady TOS, he should have been more aware of it and in the future, he would try his best to not make the same mistake.

He did jack shit. He refused to take responsibility, he defended BetterHelp. He tried to give the idea that the people are wrong about BetterHelp and they are actually good and bla bla bla damn those trolls talking shit about BetterHelp.
I think Phillip gets enough financial support without BH, but those extra shekels were too much for him to say no, and are still too much for him to say no. So much so he picked BH hill to die on.
Nigga they guy has been in on the scam for quite some time, he isnt a poor victim that didnt know any better, hes a piece of shit that knew from day 1 that this was a scam
 
Just a reminder that Philip Defranco has a net worth in excess of $100,000,000; he isn't some Let's Player who will go back to working at GameStop if this youtube thing doesn't work out.
100 mill? No way bud, hes got probably 5ish but you're right even if his very loyal fans left I doubt he would have a shit job he'd probably be the one working on the next Candid or BH to fuck more people.

Nigga they guy has been in on the scam for quite some time, he isnt a poor victim that didnt know any better, hes a piece of shit that knew from day 1 that this was a scam
When it first came out and there was still all the information he said he was only "Suspending" their sponsorship and that they had Business ties, If he didn't know it was a scam he must be mentally ill or perhaps even lower IQ than this one
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That and YT channels like his will likely never go away. Not until YT it self dies. Once a creator is embedded and has an audience they will never really die off until YT itself pulls the rug out from under them as we've seen with the Fine Brothers and also DarkSydePhil.

If you had like 5 million, wouldn't you just retire at that point? You've got enough for a house and a car and to live comfortably with a holiday every now and then until you kick the bucket. And you could just do the occassional video when you actually felt like you had something interesting or fun. So the money wouldn't completely dry up. Hell, I'm sure some places would hire you every now and then as an advisor or something.

If you had several million would you go. "Oh good now I can start my media empire"?
 
If you had like 5 million, wouldn't you just retire at that point? You've got enough for a house and a car and to live comfortably with a holiday every now and then until you kick the bucket. And you could just do the occassional video when you actually felt like you had something interesting or fun. So the money wouldn't completely dry up. Hell, I'm sure some places would hire you every now and then as an advisor or something.

If you had several million would you go. "Oh good now I can start my media empire"?

Like I said earlier, he's greedy.

100 mill? No way bud, hes got probably 5ish but you're right even if his very loyal fans left I doubt he would have a shit job he'd probably be the one working on the next Candid or BH to fuck more people.

He's got his fingers in a lot of things. I know he owns a company that puts out T-shirts and other hipster shit. I would say his net worth being 100 million seems accurate. That celeb net worth site claims he's worth 6 million but it also claims Jake Paul is worth 8 million when he's stated he made 50 million last year.
 
IDK what's more harmful:
The fact that Betterhelp targeted YouTubers known for having extremely young viewers or that because of Pewdiepie's video on Betterhelp, a bunch of his fans now have Kiwi Farms accounts.

Pewdiepie gave a mere mention about the specific list of YouTubers on the OP. He didn't go through most of the site as to show it off and all the findings. My best guess is that he heard people discussing the topic, did a quick search, and found the thread here that has a lot of the relevant information he needed.
 
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When it first came out and there was still all the information he said he was only "Suspending" their sponsorship and that they had Business ties, If he didn't know it was a scam he must be mentally ill or perhaps even lower IQ than this one
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Philly D isn't a druggie/flailing sped/Dunning Kruger victim/loony troon like most of the people with threads on here.

He's a slick and amoral PR type who just happens to have a Youtube channel. And to be honest the whole influencer network on top of an MLM model is pretty clever even if it's ethically a nightmare.

The fact he's going to deal with the issues by interviewing the CEO of a client that's given him hundreds of thousands of dollars really demonstrates both the cleverness and and the inherent dubiousness really.

It'd be like if you did something wrong, someone called the police to report you and when they did you answered them.

Of course what's fascinating is that now the people criticising him aren't just marginalised type like Ethan Ralph and Metokur, PewDiePie has come out against him too. If that hadn't happened I'm sure he would have used his Youtube contacts to shut down all his critics on bogus harassment charges. Hell if MundaneMatt hadn't been caught doing it I suspect he would still have tried. Unfortunately for him Youtube seem to have clamped down on false flagging attacks as censorship at the moment.
 
100 mill? No way bud, hes got probably 5ish but you're right even if his very loyal fans left I doubt he would have a shit job he'd probably be the one working on the next Candid or BH to fuck more people.

He has a net worth of $100,000,000 because he founded a youtube management company/studio with 5-8 other people (Maker Studios, who used to represent PewdiePie) that sold to Disney for somewhere between 500 million and 1.1 billion.

Considering he was one of the original founding members of Maker Studios he likely got more than 10% of the sale; plus all of the money that company was generating (while they were involved with some of the literally largest channels on youtube ever), plus all of his own personal ad revenue and Patreon might mean that $100,000,000 is a low number.

Philly D is a slimeball but he isn't an idiot. He is clearly going to try and grow his new company (Rogue Rocket) into a multi-billion dollar company same as he was able to help grow Maker Studios into a $1.1 billion dollar company. With how much money BetterHelp is throwing at regular ass youtubers like Boogie, Philly D is likely collecting huge dollars from them for leading this AD campaign and for this premium PR he's doing for them.

Philly D isn't trying to be PewdiePie; Philly D is trying to be the next Justin Kan or Mark Zuckerberg. Philly D is likely the person PewDiePie was calling out when he said "some people thing that more money brings more happiness".

With Maker he saw an opportunity and took it - to leverage his youtube channel into something more corporate that paid way more money when there weren't a ton of large management networks. Now he sees an opportunity in exploiting the holes created by YouTube's several issues with advertising by connecting advertisers with content creators directly.
 
Someone who needs to be added to the list is Rob Dyke who was promoting betterhealth.com to his 2.7 million subscribers.
Proof: https://archive.is/zE2PY

Fucking hell, I used to watch his shit.
Stopped giving a fuck once he stopped making the serial killer videos and spoopy shit and started relying on political content because youtube doesn't like when you talk about people who rape the dead corpse of their victims before eating them.
Sad to see creators I used to enjoy getting dragged into this shit. But it's their fault.
 
Can we file a complaint about BH/PhillyD's (Rouge Rocket) false advertising to the FTC or do we have to find someone who actually got screwed over by the BH product and have them do it?

https://www.ftc.gov/faq/consumer-protection/submit-consumer-complaint-ftc
If you got screwed over by BH, there's your link to complain to the government about it.

That is if the men and women at the FTC actually pay attention to complaints, but let's be o p t i m i s t i c
 
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https://kotaku.com/top-youtubers-are-taking-heat-for-their-deals-with-a-co-1829655193

Over the last week, some of YouTube’s biggest personalities have become embroiled in a controversy surrounding an app that connects people to mental health counselors. The mental health app has sponsored top YouTubers like Philip DeFranco, Boogie2988 and Shane Dawson and reportedly offers these video makers referral fees when fans sign up to get help. It has led to questions over the sincerity of YouTubers’ conversations around mental health.

Earlier this year, YouTuber Elle Mills had a very public meltdown, citing burnout and depression. And last month, Mills candidly talked about what happened next in a video titled “The Aftermath of My YouTube Breakdown.” At the end of the video, Mills plugged the BetterHelp app.



“This video touches on mental health,” she said. “If you’re currently struggling your mental health, I highly encourage you to reach out to someone... In light of this video, I’m working with BetterHelp to help provide another resource to you guys.” Under the video, there’s a link in the description: For every person who signed up for e-counseling through Mills’ link, Mills would apparently receive a kickback, YouTubers with similar sponsorships would later admit.


Now that BetterHelp’s services are under scrutiny, the YouTubers sponsored by it are as well. Comments under her video are skeptical of her intentions. “The whole video is just a giant big advertisement...,” said one viewer. Said another, “More like: I have depression, but thanks to better help my checking account has never looked better.” Despite the apparent earnestness and emotional rawness in Mills’ video, fans couldn’t help but question her intentions.

BetterHelp bills itself as the “world’s largest counseling service.” The service claims to connect users to one of nearly 2,300 affiliated therapists, who counsel patients via computer, smartphone or tablet “anytime, anywhere.” The app has been around for four years and offers free trials to potential new patients, after that costing about $35 to $80 a week. It markets itself as an affordable and convenient way to get help when life is getting too challenging to deal with alone, in contrast to in-person therapy, which can be expensive and difficult to integrate into busy schedules.

Last month, a YouTuber named Memeology101 began publishing videos casting doubt on BetterHelp’s business practices, and over the last few weeks, behemoth channels like DramaAlert and PewDiePie have jumped on board. Critics are now raising an eyebrow at BetterHelp because of a few lines in its terms and conditions that implied it couldn’t guarantee that its counselors were vetted and qualified. Until October 4, the terms and conditions read, “We do not control the quality of the Counselor Services and we do not determine whether any Counselor is qualified to provide any specific service. . . We do not represent to verify, and do not guarantee the verification of, the skills, degrees, qualifications, licensure, certification, credentials, competence or background of any Counselor.”


Dozens of negative reviews came to light after this information surfaced. On the website for the Better Business Bureau, a watchdog for business practices, some users complained that they paid up to $260 after the free trial but did not receive access to a therapist. Others said they felt misled by the app’s pricing options. On a review site called Highya, a couple reviewers claimed that they weren’t clear about BetterHelp’s policies and were unexpectedly charged money. Also raising eyebrows were BetterHelp’s privacy policies. Its site says it may record or monitor all transactions for “quality assurance and training purposes.” It may similarly “share aggregated information” and sell personal information.

BetterHelp founder Alon Matas responded to these allegations in a Medium post Monday explaining that they “couldn’t be further from the truth”:

“As we explain on our site, we have a whole team that makes sure every provider we bring to the platform is fully licensed and in good standing. Providers who apply are required to provide proper licensure documentation, proof of identity, and references from other licensed practitioners who have worked with them. We then cross-check their licensure information with their respective state licensing board.

Additionally, our vetting process for each provider, which typically takes 4-5 weeks, goes well beyond checking credentials. Each potential provider needs to complete a case study exam by a licensed clinician and a video interview. The result of this rigorous process is that only about 15% of the therapists who apply to work through BetterHelp are accepted to the platform. . .

We are in the counseling business, not in the data business. There is nothing we take more seriously than the security and privacy of our members. It also goes without saying that counseling is a strictly regulated space and selling such data would be a gross violation of federal laws, state laws, HIPAA regulations, and our own terms and privacy policy.”

Matas also addressed a tweak the company made to its terms and conditions, calling those lines “standard legalese” and saying they removed them on October 4. He noted that the company had received an “A+” from the Better Business Bureau and that “every user who feels unsatisfied for any reason is entitled to a full refund.”

While Matas’ post appeared to address concerns about the platform’s vetting process and business model, it didn’t take the heat off YouTubers who had apparently been receiving money in exchange for referrals. To critics, it felt scummy for YouTubers to be profiting off their fans’ mental health concerns, whether or not BetterHelp was a legitimate and useful service. Were YouTubers just faking their interest in mental health to boost their sponsor’s profile? Boogie2988, Shane Dawson, Elle Mills and Bobby Burns, who has also been sponsored by BetterHelp, did not return Kotaku’s requests for comment by press time.

In a YouTube video, Boogie2988, who said he used the service himself, said, “Here’s where I really screwed up: I didn’t read the terms of service for myself. I trusted the other YouTubers that were advertising it. And maybe that’s not something I should do moving forward.”


YouTuber Philip DeFranco was at the center of this. Defranco, who runs an enormous news channel with 6.3 million subscribers, has made several videos sponsored by BetterHelp and helped connect YouTubers like Boogie2988 and Shane Dawson to the app. Their referral links mentioned “RogueRocket,” a company DeFranco owns.

DeFranco has not responded to Kotaku’s request for comment, but did publish a video about the allegations against him (“That I’m a mastermind scammer running a ponzi scheme”). DeFranco said that a small goal for his company is acting as a “third-party ad agency,” adding that the BetterHelp deal seemed like a great idea from every angle. He had even used the service himself. “We knew of several creators who were having a hard time finding sponsors for their fantastic content,” he went on to say. “It seemed like a no-brainer that we’d take this win on all fronts, connect those people. We’d handle everything for them, and then like an agency does, we’d take a small percentage for the connection and the upkeep.” In the same video, DeFranco said that he’d suspended his sponsorship with BetterHelp.

On YouTube and Twitter, critics are tearing into DeFranco, even after he published his video defending himself. “If you really cared about your fans you would’ve never done the sponsorship because of how easily sketchy the whole thing sounds. But I guess you were more concerned about getting $200 from every person who signed up because of you,” said one YouTube commenter. Another, succinctly: “How dare you make money off your depressed fans.”

What’s really irked fans of BetterHelp-sponsored YouTubers isn’t necessarily that they didn’t pre-empt fans’ concerns about the app, like privacy or professionalism—although that’s been a big concern. It’s that they can’t be sure their favorite YouTubers are sincere when they’re talking about their own mental health problems while simultaneously promoting a therapy site. Here’s the thing, though: YouTubers aren’t your friends. They’re making a living. Sincerity is a high goal, but it’s always good to be skeptical when that’s one of the platform’s greatest money-making assets.
 
Somebody I know with severe depression problems actually used candid for a while. Within a few days of having it they told her to leave her boyfriend and kill herself. This looks like pretty much the same deal, only with slightly less hateful chucklefucks running the show. Sad that these assholes are bleeding money from people under the guise of therapy, and it seems to be a very depraved trend unfortunately.
 
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First thing a kid is taught when he's applying for work: Customize each application to fit the individual receiver.

Alleged rapist and scammer CEO: Hold my beer.
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https://twitter.com/DeLadysigner/status/1050075700710006784

To think fucking PhillyD accepted this. How exceptional do you have to be?

//Oh, and now apparently it's national mental health day. What great timing.
 
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