Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[ᴍᴀᴅᴜᴋᴇ]

I’ve noticed you started blocking anyone who appears in your threads trying to debate you on CG topics, is it really patience or can you not defend your claims?:
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Hold up! I didn't like Ghostbusters reboot, but Hollywood dropping yet another shitty reboot due to being creatively bankrupt, didn't influence my decisions to not vote for Trump.

 

[Least Concern]

Marvel Comics, a lifestyle brand :
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Good God. This is so carcinogenic that the government should mandate a warning label.

They'd better have him just being a victim that needs rescuing or something. If he ends up saving the day in place of a regular hero, it'll be like David Arquette winning the WCW championship.

At least when Sergeant Slaughter and Mr. T were put into comics in the '80s, they already had reputations of being tough guys, rather than millionaire crybabies.

 

[damian]

X-Post from the RCM v Waid thread:

Waid started a gofundme. https://www.gofundme.com/mark-waids-legal-defense-fund

Waid posted this on his website:

GOFUNDME
Oct 25, 2018 By Mark Waid

My name is Mark Waid. I’m a comics writer. In September, I was sued by a man named Richard Meyer, one of the perceived leaders of an online movement called “ComicsGate” that I and many comics professionals strongly feel has unfairly and offensively targeted women, people of color, and LGBTQ+ creators working in our industry. (You can read more about some perspectives on ComicsGate in the Washington Post and on Inverse.) Mr. Meyer alleges that I deliberately and singlehandedly blocked the publication of one of his comic books. I did no such thing, and I believe this lawsuit is his effort to try and intimidate and silence those of us who stand up publicly against bigotry and racism and who continue to defend diverse creators from harassment..

Mr. Meyer is also suing me for defamation, claiming that in taking a stand against ComicsGate, I have defamed him by allegedly referring to him as a “racist,” “serial harasser of minorities,” and as “affiliated with white supremacists.” Here is just a small sampling of Mr. Meyer’s social media posts that can be judged by their content:

You can learn more about the lawsuit--and Mr. Meyer’s online presence--here, here, and here.

Even though I am confident that Mr. Meyer’s claims are entirely meritless, lawsuits are expensive and time-consuming. If I were wealthy, a lawsuit wouldn’t be much of an issue, but I work, y’know, IN COMICS. My expenses already tally more than $25,000, with much larger bills to come. Still, for nearly 40 years, I’ve been lucky enough to write stories featuring heroes we all know--characters like Superman and Captain America--who taught me at an early age to stand up for kindness, equality, and tolerance. I have never backed down from bullies, especially those who denigrate my friends, colleagues and the values our community stands for, and while I am not a rich man, you have my solemn promise that I will fight this fight no matter the personal cost.

But I’m going to need your help.

If you believe, as I do, that a person of color should be allowed to write and draw comics without being called a “race hustler” or a “minstrel show” performer, donate to my GoFundMe legal fund [link]. Send that message. If you believe, as I do, that a woman should have the right to work in this or any industry without being called a “c**dumpster,” donate [link]. Make yourself heard. If you believe that your gender or sexual preference should have no bearing on what and how you choose to create, donate [link]. Stand with me.

It isn’t just about me; if we don’t fight online harassment, it only becomes nastier and more powerful. This is an important fight. Again, you can donate here:

DONATE HERE

Thank you for having my back.

 

[ᴍᴀᴅᴜᴋᴇ]

I thought the theory was that Waid or Marvel would be funding the cash needed to go to war with Zack and have the guy BTFO in court?

 

[Mola Ram]

X-Post from the RCM v Waid thread:

If you believe, as I do, that an industry insider with anger management issues and a massive chip on his shoulder over trendy social justice issues should be permitted to throw his weight around and intimidate a Mom & Pop publisher into dropping a negotiated contract, and that such an insider should also be permitted to go around bragging about the contract he wrecked, then please send gibs. Or put your money in a shoebox and set it on fire, same difference. Thank you for having my back.

 

[Slowboat to China]

Blake Northcott (while not a romance writer, is a novelist besides her comics work) has discussed a number of times all of the gatekeeping & editorial interference & content demands that have popped up in the fiction novel medium over the past few years & how ugly it’s become. While not romance novel specific, I have to assume there’s at least been SOME penetration by the NPC weirdos into that genre too. They’ve long ago gained control over SciFi/Fantasy & some of Crime Fiction & Thrillers. Not to mention YA. We shouldn't be naive enough to believe they’d entirely leave control of Romance to market forces.

My twitter feed (don't judge me, I basically was forced to join the platform at gunpoint) is mostly writers and editors, and it's a fucking hivemind. There are a handful of people who don't talk about politics at all, but 90% of my feed is hardcore SJW lecturing, virtue signalling, and shrieking. I've actually had a few retweets from Comicsgate individuals (there's few degrees of separation in the publishing world), the most recent of which was an angry, smug defense of why you should block anytime you feel like it, and fuck your customers if they make a stink about it.

I would love to talk to y'all about the bullshit that's going on in the publishing industry right now--genre fiction especially. Without powerleveling, I'm kinda on the periphery of all that (and yes, have been forced to get a Twitter in order to play the publicity game) and it's bloody depressing to the see the Tyranid hive-mind that some parts of the industry have become.

And yes, Doktor, there are definite incursions in parts of Romancelandia. Some of my favorite reviewers and authors have become depressingly "THIS PROMOTES RAPE CULTURE" about the whole thing. And if you write a nonwhite hero, hoo boy, you are in for it--nothing you do is EVER good enough, and you are extra-super-duper 100% ultra-totally-with-onion-rings guilty of fetishizing another culture.

As for Mark Waid, he has already suffered the ultimate punishment for his sins: having to be Mark Waid. Everything else is just gravy.

 

[Mola Ram]

I would love to talk to y'all about the bullshit that's going on in the publishing industry right now--genre fiction especially. Without powerleveling, I'm kinda on the periphery of all that (and yes, have been forced to get a Twitter in order to play the publicity game) and it's bloody depressing to the see the Tyranid hive-mind that some parts of the industry have become.

And yes, Doktor, there are definite incursions in parts of Romancelandia. Some of my favorite reviewers and authors have become depressingly "THIS PROMOTES RAPE CULTURE" about the whole thing. And if you write a nonwhite hero, hoo boy, you are in for it--nothing you do is EVER good enough, and you are extra-super-duper 100% ultra-totally-with-onion-rings guilty of fetishizing another culture.

As for Mark Waid, he has already suffered the ultimate punishment for his sins: having to be Mark Waid. Everything else is just gravy.

Seems like it'd be good for a Community Watch thread. Might be fun to have all the authorish Kiwis in one place.

 

[8777BB5]

Good God. This is so carcinogenic that the government should mandate a warning label.

They'd better have him just being a victim that needs rescuing or something. If he ends up saving the day in place of a regular hero, it'll be like David Arquette winning the WCW championship.

At least when Sergeant Slaughter and Mr. T were put into comics in the '80s, they already had reputations of being tough guys, rather than millionaire crybabies.

Not to mention Mr. T is actually a nice guy who wants to do good in the world whereas Kimmel is a slimy bottom feeder.

I would really love for these people to come across Steve Gerber's Alice in Wonderland. They would blow a gasket (I would say Wally Wood Malice in Wonderland, but I'd rather not think about what would happen if they came across it)

 

[RockVolnutt]

Good God. This is so carcinogenic that the government should mandate a warning label.

They'd better have him just being a victim that needs rescuing or something. If he ends up saving the day in place of a regular hero, it'll be like David Arquette winning the WCW championship.

At least when Sergeant Slaughter and Mr. T were put into comics in the '80s, they already had reputations of being tough guys, rather than millionaire crybabies.

Justin Trudeau was in Civil War 2 and does boxing with Iron Man. Marvel superheroes are "just like you" by which I mean they're popular billionaire celebrities who party with other celebrities and politicians.

Lowhanging fruit but eh, it's been that way for years now.

 

[Jub-Jub]

I hear on the alternate cover he's crying holographic tears.

Nah, the real alternative cover is this

 

[Least Concern]

Even though I am confident that Mr. Meyer’s claims are entirely meritless, lawsuits are expensive and time-consuming. If I were wealthy, a lawsuit wouldn’t be much of an issue, but I work, y’know, IN COMICS.

That's odd… Meyer works in comics too, and he can afford his side of the lawsuit. Wonder why.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

Justin Trudeau was in Civil War 2 and does boxing with Iron Man. Marvel superheroes are "just like you" by which I mean they're popular billionaire celebrities who party with other celebrities and politicians.

Lowhanging fruit but eh, it's been that way for years now.

At this point, I think we should decanonize and cut out every non-cosmic Marvel comic post-Secret Wars 2015 from Earth-616.

 

[RockVolnutt]

At this point, I think we should decanonize and cut out every non-cosmic Marvel comic post-Secret Wars from Earth-616.

If you want everyone to have secret identities and stuff then you'd need to go farther back to the early 2000s. That's around the time they came out of style for basically everyone not named Peter Parker...after dealing with that red guy anyways. It's mostly a side-effect of the Pro-Registration side winning in Civil War. In story, SHIELD doesn't crack down on superhumans anymore but they usually go public and get adored.

I never got how this doesn't clash with their claims of having "down to Earth" characters but that seems to be a largely abandoned concept that the general public's opinion on hasn't really caught up with. It still lines up with the bipolar way the creatives see themselves though.

 

[ᴍᴀᴅᴜᴋᴇ]

Nah, the real alternative cover is this
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! SAY IT AIN'T SO JIMMY!!!

 

[ForTheHoard]

Nah, the real alternative cover is this
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Aww, the good old days when Jimmy was actually funny. He and Aries Spears were the only two famous people doing Karl Malone impressions, and I always thought Kimmel's was way better.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

If you want everyone to have secret identities and stuff then you'd need to go farther back to the early 2000s. That's around the time they came out of style for basically everyone not named Peter Parker...after dealing with that red guy anyways. It's mostly a side-effect of the Pro-Registration side winning in Civil War. In story, SHIELD doesn't crack down on superhumans anymore but they usually go public and get adored.

I never got how this doesn't clash with their claims of having "down to Earth" characters but that seems to be a largely abandoned concept that the general public's opinion on hasn't really caught up with. It still lines up with the bipolar way the creatives see themselves though.

No. It's not even about secret identities. I just want the cancer that's killing Marvel to be cut off at the very root.

 

[Francis York Morgan]

No. It's not even about secret identities. I just want the cancer that's killing Marvel to be cut off at the very root.

That would maybe be around 2004 or 2005. Personally, I could feel that things were about to really go downhill around the time of Avengers Disassembled. I know Spidey had been having problems awhile before that with JMS putting stuff in like Sins Past or whatever the fuck the Spider-Totem/Morlun nonsense was. But it was Disassembled that really felt like the beginning of the end because of its widespread repercussions (some of which they've still not managed to come up with a decent fix for) and it leading to so many other crossovers in a relatively short period of time that changed the Marvel landscape for the worse (House of M, Civil War).

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

it leading to so many other crossovers in a relatively short period of time that changed the Marvel landscape for the worse (House of M, Civil War)

Were "House of M" and "Civil War" any good, by any means?

 

[The Doktor]

House of M was the start of the major issue that Marvel has with their bread & butter franchise (X-Men) & the way JoeQ basically tried to retcon Morrison's changes to the X-Men out the door as soon as he left to go back to DC (there's a whole big thing with a shouting match at HeroesCon or SDCC or something because Joe felt blindsided by Grant's decision to leave)

From House of M on, Marvel made the X-Men the villains every time when they were obviously the heroes.

House of M - Mutants literally solve everyone's biggest wishes, solve racism, & everything is going fine, so the Avengers need to "fix" it.

AvX - X-Men literally fix everything in the world including hunger, global warming, population, and solve racism again. So the Avengers need to "fix it"

Inhumans vs X-Men - X-Men want to solve the genocide cloud floating over the planet killing them, somehow are the bad guys because it's sacrilegious to the Inhumans to just make it non-lethal to mutants while still activating Inhumans.

Secret Empire - X-Men side with the nazis because they are given california & Hydra wants to solve the Inhuman problem for the mutants.

There's my X-men sperging for the day.

 

[One Man Bland]

Were "House of M" and "Civil War" any good, by any means?

Let me put House of M this way (slight :powerlevel: When I lived an area with no LCS, I’d go to the library for their comic collection. One of the few modern American comics they had was the trade of House of M, but with no reference to what was currently happening at Marvel I ended up never finishing it because every other dialogue bubble had an asterisk directing you to a specific issue for context about the specific event they were referencing in a separate series, that at the time I had no access to, in order to make sense if the story. So make of that what you will.

Civil War however is kind of divisive. Some people say it’s presents an interesting dilemma and there’s enough history between all the Marvel characters to back up the story, while others are put off by the way the comic seems to present Tony Stark as being the absolute correct person in the debate despite creating a literal inter dimensional gulag and that some of the things Mark Miller said a few things about the story that made it sound like it was an argument in favor of the Patriot Act.

Though in my personal opinion it’s kind of a clusterfuck of a story with a concept that Justice League Unlimited handled much better.