Disaster Brawl breaks out in courtroom as woman is jailed for killing baby - Is calling this chimping out racist?

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Brawl breaks out in courtroom as woman is jailed for killing baby
By Associated Press and Dailymail.com Reporter 23:59 EST 23 Nov 2018, updated 02:00 EST 24 Nov 2018

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A brawl broke out in a packed Milwaukee courtroom Wednesday after a former daycare owner was sentenced in the death of a seven-week-old baby.

The fight erupted Wednesday shortly after 37-year-old Claudette Mitchell was led away in handcuffs after being sentenced to 3.5 years in prison.

Mitchell was charged in the death of Savaiyah Reid, who was fatally injured at her daycare in August 2017.

Originally charged with first-degree reckless homicide, Mitchell pleaded guilty in September to neglecting a child, resulting in death.

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This is the moment a brawl breaks out inside a Milwaukee courtroom between about 50 people
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The shocking incident happened Wednesday after a former daycare owner was sentenced in the death of a seven-week-old baby
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Law enforcement officials are seen intervening during the brawl
In court, Mitchell said she did not cause the baby’s injuries but feels responsible.

She said in a court statement: 'I can't express how sad I am for this tragedy.'

After sentencing, an altercation broke out involving about 50 members of the defendant’s and victim’s families and friends.

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Claudette Mitchell (pictured) was led away in handcuffs after being sentenced. Mitchell was charged in the death of Savaiyah Reid, who was fatally injured at her daycare in August 2017
The Milwaukee County Sheriff’s Department says additional deputies and DA investigators were called to restore order.

The department said: 'An emotional homicide case involving the death of a two-month-old child resulted in a post-sentencing altercation between about 50 members of the defendant’s and victim’s families and friends.

'Additional security was in place due to prior contentious hearings, but the defendant’s side did not comply with deputies’ orders to remain in the courtroom while the victim’s family was being escorted out.'

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The altercation involved about 50 members of the defendant’s and victim’s families and friends
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The Milwaukee County Sheriff’s Department said additional deputies and DA investigators were called to restore order
 
These "day care centers" seem really bad to outsiders, but the communities seem to be okay with them. Until someone dies. This one appears to be more on the up and up than other cases. Often the deaths happen in unlicensed day care where someone just brings a bunch of kids into their home and follows no rules other than the rules of the jungle.
Other countries do that. America is the only first world country in the world with no paid maternity leave.

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And there are plenty of households where both parents have to work to make ends meet.
Paid maternity leave is an incentive for post-feminism women to make babies. Europe needs it as pure good Europe people are reproducing at really low rates, which is why Africans and Muslims were welcomed by the ruling class. European Onion's TFR is around 1.6, which is a fair bit lower than the US. Richer Europe people have even lower baby havin' rates. Some do people think TFR is J-shaped overall, but I do not buy that and they should not be selling it. If it was J-shape curve, then the incentives would increase native and second gen immygrents TFRs, but neither free independent women nor middle class soyboy fagets want children. Increased rate of trannies as Rome falls will drive it down more even though trannies actually become females after chopping their peckers off.

Replacement rate is 2.1 babies per woman. No EU nation currently meets replacement rate.
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Paid leave is not the only incentive used nor only possible incentive. You need to look at the cost and benefit. In the US, rich people already have paid family leave (plus child care stipends, adoption benefits, fertility treatment coverage, and so on) and they are not having kids. Poor people without it are breeding like filthy Muslim dogs.
 
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Paid maternity leave is an incentive for post-feminism women to make babies.

Lets make it a one-two punch. Paid leave and incentives for all well-supported European women having kids, sterilization for everyone else.

Not just the women, either, lets go ahead and castrate all those "refugees" as a condition of their asylum. It'll keep them docile, like steers.
 
That isn't my argument. My argument is that parents bitching that their situation is shit because of their own decisions doesn't obligate me or anyone else to give a fuck. They made that bed. They need to lie in it. They need to fix it.

Buddy, I lived in poverty. Even when I got out I went back because fuck living with my parents. We are talking decades of first-hand ghetto trailer-park lived experience here. You can't bullshit me with your bleeding heart nonsense, these poor people fucking know they are making bad decisions full stop. Do not even pretend that they don't. The issue is they just don't give a single solitary fuck because having "thing" makes them happy for a brief moment. This is followed by the problems caused by "thing" which are hard and lack instant gratification so they don't do it or just mail it in with the bare minimum (this is where the "make someone else pay for my mistakes" horseshit comes in). It's a part of what I think of as "poverty culture" and it's what put them right where they are and keeps them there and doing the opposite is what got me out. Twice.

Breaking the cycle by encouraging them to make thoughtful sound decisions is what needs to happen, not cushioning their hard landing when they do something dumb. Failing is how you learn. But this particular failing involves an innocent life that had nothing to do with it, which pisses me right the fuck off.


Ok, so a person is totally off the hook for bringing a life into this world that they absolutely know will be shit because they wanna cum and experience a pleasurable feeling for a brief moment.

That's a real sound moral argument you have there.

Like I said earlier, we don't tolerate people doing this shit to dogs. Why are you so willing to accept it with poor people's kids?


Apology, shiiiiit. We got out eventually and became middle-class. They would be pretty pissed off if I said it was something stupid like luck that did it too. It wasn't "odds", it wasn't chance, it wasn't scratch-off lotto tickets that did it. It was what they did every day day-in day-out for decades to which I give them all the praise in the world.

They knew we were fucked but owed it to us kids to do better so they worked really really really hard, made sound decisions, and learned and grew themselves... for someone else. That's what real love looks like, btw. Selfless sacrifice. Of taking responsibility. Of doing the right thing even though it makes you miserable. Because kids.

Now, smart guy, do these sound like traits your average pregnant gal that works a minimum wage job with no maternity leave possesses? Or do you think she should go back to the drawing board and see where things went wrong? Maybe take a good long look to see if she is making a gigantic mistake and doing this for all the wrong reasons?

Stop treating poor people like large children. They are real no-shit adults no different you and me. They know what is right and wrong but are choosing, yes choosing, the worse option for completely selfish reasons. Make them morally tow the line just like everyone else. Plus, it's the only way things will actually get better for them and you fucking know it.

Agreed. It's treating people like intellectual and emotional invalids. And if you treat people like that, us all being naturally lazy to some extent, people will jump all over it. It trains a servile yet entitled attitude. Thinking about this, I have a lot more appreciation for my dad, self-employed, but working like a slave for a gaggle of kids, and trying to simultaneously cope with a batshit insane wife.
 
Did it say which side actually started the fight? I'd find it much more beliveable the family of the child would start something.
Just that the murderer's family did not follow officer's instructions to remain seated in the courtroom while the victim's family was escorted out. There was extra security in the court room because of how volatile the parties had been in the past and were trying to mitigate it. Two guys were tazed and 3 were arrested, all from the victim's family. The only one I saw tazed in the video was the tall guy in the white and red shirt who certainly seemed like the aggressor. All of those arrested were quickly released and claimed self defense.
 
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Did it say which side actually started the fight? I'd find it much more beliveable the family of the child would start something.

'Additional security was in place due to prior contentious hearings, but the defendant’s side did not comply with deputies’ orders to remain in the courtroom while the victim’s family was being escorted out.'
 
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I disagree. I mean, it would help. I am not opposed in any way to that. But that isn't quite it. It is a big problem.

Have you ever seen The National Lampoon Vacation movies? Remember Cousin Eddie? Remember how you related to it because we all have that relative?

They made that guy way too likable, right? In reality that guy came from the exact same breeding stock as us but just decided to be a selfish shitfuck who ruins everything because he is a gigantic prick. Then he had a bunch of kids who he neglects who grow up to be awful shitheads just like him. He isn't going to ever use protection because he wants to get a girl pregnant to make her love him. To mark his territory. Aunt Eddie, if you are so lucky as to have two, does the same thing but in reverse to some other poor slob. They are awful people.

These folks, who we all know, aren't going to quit their bullshit if condoms and coathangers become more affordable. Defeating it requires something else. Overturning an entire poverty culture which promotes that kind of thing. Making the lifestyle accepted. I am on record here getting miffed at country music artists corrupting the honest hard work of southern manual laborers painful sunburns into a generic pride symbol of being Confederate Eddie with the term "redneck". That isn't what it truly means. At least a real redneck works. They try. Being a fat ignorant blob that only exists to generate other blobs who occasionally fight each other on Jerry Springer is not a culture we should strive to be.

The only answer I have for that (and it admittedly isn't a great one) is shaming them. It sorta worked before in curtailing the acceptance of that behavior. We at least should think about bringing that back.

Wow man, yeah, if only people stopped being so awful the world would be a better place. :optimistic:

Telling people to be better, shaming people to become better, is such a small scale solution. It also only works on people who already want to better themselves. Besides, you can't convince people to become better when they're sociopaths who believe the only way to force somebody to love them is to shackle them in place with child-shaped handcuffs. Just because some people are assholes doesn't mean it's okay to push the people who are working hard to claw their way out of poverty deeper into the hole.
 
Wow man, yeah, if only people stopped being so awful the world would be a better place. :optimistic:

Telling people to be better, shaming people to become better, is such a small scale solution. It also only works on people who already want to better themselves. Besides, you can't convince people to become better when they're sociopaths who believe the only way to force somebody to love them is to shackle them in place with child-shaped handcuffs. Just because some people are assholes doesn't mean it's okay to push the people who are working hard to claw their way out of poverty deeper into the hole.
Just don't have kids. That's all it is.

If you look at the numbers, you won't be lifelong poor in America if you don't have kids out of wedlock. Stay employed, even if it's at mcdonalds, don't have kids you can't afford, and that's it, you won't be poor.
 
Ah yes, those dumb bitches just shouldn't get pregnant if they don't want to go back to work 2 days after giving birth.

I've personally been laid of from my awesome-benefits job during the last 2 months of a pregnancy. I know personally half a dozen other women who've gotten laid off while pregnant.

There's also a well-known phenomenon where men treat women very nicely, right up until they get pregnant, and then the abuse or cheating rolls out, with the message communicated clearly: now that you can't get out very easily, welcome to your life.

Of course, other men just abandon and vanish -- you could collect child support, but not for ages, so good luck getting it when the baby's born fast enough to take a bit of leave. From personal experience, most women can tell you that abusers and cheaters don't start out that way. They treat you awesomely until they've got you right where they want you.

When there's no maternity leave, what's really happening is that women are being told they must stay with their abuser, and that if he's cheating on you flagrantly and bringing home STDs, well, you've now got to balance that kind of future dad for your kid with the fact that you desperately want to be able to stay home long enough to make a medical recovery. Once the kid's born, abusers will have other ways to keep their hooks in (like telling their victim that they'll harm the children if they ever split up).

When the UK moved to a new system that delays benefits money, it's led to a spike in domestic violence because women cannot get out and get the "bridging" money they need without spending weeks or months homeless.

Most women who are going back to work days after birthing a child did not know, 9 months before, that this would be the scenario they were lined up for. Huge numbers of women are abandoned by partners, abused by partners, cheated on by partners during pregnancy, fired from jobs with benefits (this is an especially horrifying one because many jobs make you work 12+ months to be eligible for those benefits, so even if you're both highly skilled and can hide your pregnancy during the interview process, you can't just find another job that offers them).

If birth was something that happened the day after conception, maybe these points about how these women should have thought things through before reproducing would make sense. But 9 months is a long fucking time. Long enough for relationships to change to the point of unrecognizability, long enough to spend down hard-won savings.
 
Hmmm, interesting and salient point there my friend. However, the real victims are the owners of the Baby Kill Center not the mothers. Dumb ghetto bitches
 
Younger women still in school, college or :islamic: high school :islamic:, with no support system capable of taking care of the baby have to rely on daycares as well. Lower income areas even have specially dedicated branches of staff for daycares on campus. The high school I went to had its own wing where pregnant or new mothers (among other types of kids not suited for "gen pop") would go to during regular school hours, similar to Special Ed. There were also night classes too, but it was always spooky to pass by the hallway where nobody else went to while you were running an errand for a teacher or something.


This article from when the baby was killed gives some better background information.

The mother was working at Aurora Health Care when she dropped the baby off, but I can't find any other information about her. The grandmother, Sherry Green, seems to be the one mainly dealing with the press.

The daycare itself has probably the most ghetto trash name, Who's Luvin You day care :story:

It had received nine citations in June for issues like "having a bottle of Clorox in a cabinet under the sink in the bathroom" and not running background checks on two other workers.

Claudette claimed to be the only staff member present when Savaiyah was there, but this article mentions that a 17 year old girl was considered a suspect too.

Reading all of the baby's injuries gave me flashbacks to Baby Tumble Surprise commercials :c

Who's Luvin You, indeed.
I know, right? I don't think you can get a more ghetto name for a daycare. I feel bad for finding that amusing considering what happened, but the fact that it's such an awful place just makes the name funnier.
Ah yes, those dumb bitches just shouldn't get pregnant if they don't want to go back to work 2 days after giving birth.

I've personally been laid of from my awesome-benefits job during the last 2 months of a pregnancy. I know personally half a dozen other women who've gotten laid off while pregnant.

There's also a well-known phenomenon where men treat women very nicely, right up until they get pregnant, and then the abuse or cheating rolls out, with the message communicated clearly: now that you can't get out very easily, welcome to your life.

Of course, other men just abandon and vanish -- you could collect child support, but not for ages, so good luck getting it when the baby's born fast enough to take a bit of leave. From personal experience, most women can tell you that abusers and cheaters don't start out that way. They treat you awesomely until they've got you right where they want you.

When there's no maternity leave, what's really happening is that women are being told they must stay with their abuser, and that if he's cheating on you flagrantly and bringing home STDs, well, you've now got to balance that kind of future dad for your kid with the fact that you desperately want to be able to stay home long enough to make a medical recovery. Once the kid's born, abusers will have other ways to keep their hooks in (like telling their victim that they'll harm the children if they ever split up).

When the UK moved to a new system that delays benefits money, it's led to a spike in domestic violence because women cannot get out and get the "bridging" money they need without spending weeks or months homeless.

Most women who are going back to work days after birthing a child did not know, 9 months before, that this would be the scenario they were lined up for. Huge numbers of women are abandoned by partners, abused by partners, cheated on by partners during pregnancy, fired from jobs with benefits (this is an especially horrifying one because many jobs make you work 12+ months to be eligible for those benefits, so even if you're both highly skilled and can hide your pregnancy during the interview process, you can't just find another job that offers them).

If birth was something that happened the day after conception, maybe these points about how these women should have thought things through before reproducing would make sense. But 9 months is a long fucking time. Long enough for relationships to change to the point of unrecognizability, long enough to spend down hard-won savings.
Thank you for that wonderful post. It's nice to hear from someone who has been there.

But yes, 9 months is a long time and plenty of things can happen during that time. Aside from the stuff you mentioned, emergencies can happen that can put you in financial trouble very quickly. Many of them can happen at any moment.

Plenty of women are forced to work right after they give birth. Grouping all women in situations like these and saying they shouldn't have gotten pregnant if they had to work so soon after childbirth/had to put their child in daycare for so long/etc is ignorant considering anything can happen in life.
 
Ah yes, those dumb bitches just shouldn't get pregnant if they don't want to go back to work 2 days after giving birth.

I've personally been laid of from my awesome-benefits job during the last 2 months of a pregnancy. I know personally half a dozen other women who've gotten laid off while pregnant.

There's also a well-known phenomenon where men treat women very nicely, right up until they get pregnant, and then the abuse or cheating rolls out, with the message communicated clearly: now that you can't get out very easily, welcome to your life.

Of course, other men just abandon and vanish -- you could collect child support, but not for ages, so good luck getting it when the baby's born fast enough to take a bit of leave. From personal experience, most women can tell you that abusers and cheaters don't start out that way. They treat you awesomely until they've got you right where they want you.

When there's no maternity leave, what's really happening is that women are being told they must stay with their abuser, and that if he's cheating on you flagrantly and bringing home STDs, well, you've now got to balance that kind of future dad for your kid with the fact that you desperately want to be able to stay home long enough to make a medical recovery. Once the kid's born, abusers will have other ways to keep their hooks in (like telling their victim that they'll harm the children if they ever split up).

When the UK moved to a new system that delays benefits money, it's led to a spike in domestic violence because women cannot get out and get the "bridging" money they need without spending weeks or months homeless.

Most women who are going back to work days after birthing a child did not know, 9 months before, that this would be the scenario they were lined up for. Huge numbers of women are abandoned by partners, abused by partners, cheated on by partners during pregnancy, fired from jobs with benefits (this is an especially horrifying one because many jobs make you work 12+ months to be eligible for those benefits, so even if you're both highly skilled and can hide your pregnancy during the interview process, you can't just find another job that offers them).

If birth was something that happened the day after conception, maybe these points about how these women should have thought things through before reproducing would make sense. But 9 months is a long fucking time. Long enough for relationships to change to the point of unrecognizability, long enough to spend down hard-won savings.
We shouldn't be talking about mere relationships. We should be talking about marriage, which comes with legal consequences. Don't have kids if you're not married. It's irresponsible and people who do anyway are shitheads for it.

All the tools necessary to prevent these situations exist. Women simply aren't taking advantage of them.

(And when those tools don't exist, like how dipshits are trying to outlaw abortion or push substandard sex education, that's horrible. I advocate teaching the facts of life very early.)

I don't believe the vast majority of single or otherwise impoverished mothers are in the situation they're in primarily because of abusers. I think the vast majority, at least in the US, are in the situation they're in because of bad decisions. Talking points about abusers only apply to a small number of cases, and with those cases, I agree with you.

It's like the tranny argument of how intersex people mean gender's a spectrum.

tl; dr: Men, get a prenup. Women, get married before having kids. Any other approach is naive, and it's the type of naivete that deserves some hardship.
 
Ah yes, those dumb bitches just shouldn't get pregnant if they don't want to go back to work 2 days after giving birth.

I've personally been laid of from my awesome-benefits job during the last 2 months of a pregnancy. I know personally half a dozen other women who've gotten laid off while pregnant.

There's also a well-known phenomenon where men treat women very nicely, right up until they get pregnant, and then the abuse or cheating rolls out, with the message communicated clearly: now that you can't get out very easily, welcome to your life.

Of course, other men just abandon and vanish -- you could collect child support, but not for ages, so good luck getting it when the baby's born fast enough to take a bit of leave. From personal experience, most women can tell you that abusers and cheaters don't start out that way. They treat you awesomely until they've got you right where they want you.

When there's no maternity leave, what's really happening is that women are being told they must stay with their abuser, and that if he's cheating on you flagrantly and bringing home STDs, well, you've now got to balance that kind of future dad for your kid with the fact that you desperately want to be able to stay home long enough to make a medical recovery. Once the kid's born, abusers will have other ways to keep their hooks in (like telling their victim that they'll harm the children if they ever split up).

When the UK moved to a new system that delays benefits money, it's led to a spike in domestic violence because women cannot get out and get the "bridging" money they need without spending weeks or months homeless.

Most women who are going back to work days after birthing a child did not know, 9 months before, that this would be the scenario they were lined up for. Huge numbers of women are abandoned by partners, abused by partners, cheated on by partners during pregnancy, fired from jobs with benefits (this is an especially horrifying one because many jobs make you work 12+ months to be eligible for those benefits, so even if you're both highly skilled and can hide your pregnancy during the interview process, you can't just find another job that offers them).

If birth was something that happened the day after conception, maybe these points about how these women should have thought things through before reproducing would make sense. But 9 months is a long fucking time. Long enough for relationships to change to the point of unrecognizability, long enough to spend down hard-won savings.

Look'it. I've been robbed from, sexually assaulted, stolen from, had proxies come to my house to fuck me up, been arrested and released, laughed at as I was kicked out of my home with no place to sleep that night, fucked when I was threatened with a call to the cops if I didn't and then told "I hope I'm pregnant because I'm going to keep it. We'll be seeing a lot more of each other".

Yup. Those women all seemed nice and wonderful as well. It's still my fault. I have a shit radar for quality women. I'm responsible. You are also responsible if you have a shit radar for men as well.

We should really be teaching kids two lessons about sex: a) Don't stick your dick in crazy and b) don't put out for lazy.

I've put out many times as a dunce. You suggesting reasons doesn't excuse it. It's a bad thing, sure, but it's so prolific that any five year old should be able to make a better informed decision than you are suggesting, and if they don't, they have no one to blame but themselve's, just like me.
 
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