Carl Benjamin / Sargon of Akkad / Akkad Daily / The Thinkery / @not_sargon / @WarPlanPurple - Leader of the "Liberalists" & Droning Pseudo-Intellectual Boomer anti-SJW Activist, Applebees Waiter, Mass Shooter Whiteknight

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Might be late bur Metokur's is still there, I am certain that if Sargon found out, he would go full Kraut to try to get it removed.

Nah, he's going to be busy making phone calls and emails to patreon to explain how all the hitpieces on him are "demonstrably false" for a while. 12k a month is a lot of money to leave on the table when your wife's son needs a new everything

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Laughing at karma biting Carl in the ass, and being concerned/troubled at the precedent this is setting, are not mutually exclusive concepts.

Well I have to admit there's an element of poetic justice about it. And it was striking when he laughed about deplatforming to Ralph, it was the only time I've seen Ralph lose his temper, say it was funny Sargon's kid died and then apologise shortly after.

For all Carl's pretensions about being the next Sargon/Alexander The Great etc, he's shit at dealing with people.

 

[Null]

God damn, Carl's future insanity is gonna be spectacular. I am half expecting him to go mgtow over no longer being able to see his wife's son

I've been hearing people say for months that "oohh it's gonna get REALLY good now! Because of X sargon is going to jump off a cliff! He's really done it! He's in for it now!", it never fucking happens. People are so desperate for fucking high they're like heroin junkies chasing the dragon, to the point where Patreon doing what it will inevitably now do to Jim and Ralph by the end of the year is somehow a good thing.

Here's what's going to happen, ready? I'll make a prediction and if I'm wrong I'll unban King of /pol/ from the site -- arguably the thing I'd be least willing to do.

MY PREDICTION: Sargon won't chimp out at all and will use the current wave of media attention to successfully pivot this into something positive for him, especially considering he has YT up still and can get communications out to his wider audience.

If he's at all 'as smart as he says he is', he's saved up a lot of money from his Patreon and can coast on it for months if not years without worry. His house should be paid off and his living expenses should be able to taper down to a few hundred dollars a month. Meanwhile, he can still make income from YouTube superchats and ad revenue.

Am I rooting for Sargon? Not really, I'm following a trend here. Every time X happens and people think "it's the beginning of the end for Sargon", it doesn't happen. This is the safe bet. Match me reddit.

 

[Blagher]

I think it should, though. This is honestly one thing I'm not libertarian on. Same with the USPS deciding not to handle mail for individuals.

It's probably not Patreon's decision. People seem to be saying "Patreon, but maybe also PayPal" - no, I promise you it's both, and because the latter went first.

Patreon touches not a single dollar. It holds no FIN, it pays not a single person, it handles not a single cent. It is a platform entirely reliant on Stripe and PayPal. If one of them says someone has to go, they have to go. If either drops Patreon as a customer, Patreon's entire company collapses. If MasterCard or Visa says to Stripe or PayPal someone has to go, they have to go. Stripe losing Visa Card would be in the range of billions of dollars of revenue a year. The company would be gone.

The only solution here is (a) to have a way for companies to compete with VC/MC, or (b) to have the Government tell banking institutions or pseudo-banks like PayPal that they have to play nice.

That's never going to happen, though, which is why I continue to scream BITCOIN, BITCOIN, BITCOIN, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S DOWN RIGHT NOW, IT'S THE WINTER IT ALWAYS GOES DOWN IN THE WINTER BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN PEOPLE ARE BUYING SHIT, FUCKING BITCOIN.

And honestly if you're happy about this in any way besides just "lol karma xD" you get a special fuck you straight from my heart.

I agree with you more on the PayPal perspective than on Patreon but these still are private companies. I doubt that mastercard and stripe would ever truly deplatform from patreon since it makes them too much money, this is likely a patreon directive at the broad suggestion of the payment processors to a degree.

Patreon has the right to protect whatever brand image it wants by deplaftorming undesirables just like how Victoria's secret has the right to only make underwear for skinny people. To suggest that a platform like patreon is vital enough to warrant government regulation the same way the post office or ultities are is frankly ridiculous in my opinion.

It's somewhat related but it always strikes me as funny that all the Alt right people keep talking about how the government should pass laws to make it so Twitter and Facebook can't deplatform them. Youre perfectly free to shout your shit in a public square like the founding fathers envisioned and opening up regulation to this sets a precedent for all the liberal ideas of government over regulation in other social areas.

 

[Null]

I doubt that mastercard and stripe would ever truly deplatform from patreon since it makes them too much money

hahahaha what? MasterCard and Visa Card handle so many trillions of dollars a year that Patreon doesn't even show up on their top 1000 revenue streams. Patreon is the perfect political toy to meddle in and have cost-effective speech related results.

 

[Stoneheart]

I agree with you more on the PayPal perspective than on Patreon but these still are private companies. I doubt that mastercard and stripe would ever truly deplatform from patreon since it makes them too much money, this is likely a patreon directive at the broad suggestion of the payment processors to a degree.

Patreon has the right to protect whatever brand image it wants by deplaftorming undesirables just like how Victoria's secret has the right to only make underwear for skinny people. To suggest that a platform like patreon is vital enough to warrant government regulation the same way the post office or ultities are is frankly ridiculous in my opinion.

It's somewhat related but it always strikes me as funny that all the Alt right people keep talking about how the government should pass laws to make it so Twitter and Facebook can't deplatform them. Youre perfectly free to shout your shit in a public square like the founding fathers envisioned and opening up regulation to this sets a precedent for all the liberal ideas of government over regulation in other social areas.

so just cash and crypto for everybody to the right of stalin?

 

[TRUE ÞURSIAN WORSHIP]

I'm pretty sure the internet as another "dimension" of society is pretty well established by now, and taking away people's ability to send digital shekels around the world to whomever they please is a really big deal.

To me, the irony isn't when alt righters cry about being removed from Twitter, it's that Alex Jones is yelling about globalism on the fucking internet

Edit: I do have more thoughts on this, if anybody gives a shit about some anonymous farmer's uneducated observations about the world as he sees it. I can expand on it later, if someone asks. My post is a pretty ok summary I think.

 

[Lysol]

Patreon has the right to protect whatever brand image it wants by deplaftorming undesirables just like how Victoria's secret has the right to only make underwear for skinny people. To suggest that a platform like patreon is vital enough to warrant government regulation the same way the post office or ultities are is frankly ridiculous in my opinion.

Just a quick question, do you think banks are a private entity that should be allowed to halt service for whatever reason they want?

How about payment processors?

 

[not william stenchever]

I think payment processors and financial institutions leaning on companies to deplatform people should be illegal as fuck. Not optimistic we'll ever see that legal change though.

 

[Blagher]

hahahaha what? MasterCard and Visa Card handle so many trillions of dollars a year that Patreon doesn't even show up on their top 1000 revenue streams. Patreon is the perfect political toy to meddle in and have cost-effective speech related results.

I'm not saying patreon makes them a boatload of money. I'm saying that patreon is a protifable relationship for them, probably very high margin too since they're all one off transactions and it's in their interest not to drop patreon. Visa and mastercard aren't going to drop someone making them money for no reason the same way all those advertisers that pulled out of YouTube during the adpocalypse ended up advertising with YouTube there. It's a mutually beneficial relationship

 

[Null]

Visa and mastercard aren't going to drop someone making them money for no reason

It's not for "no reason", it's for political control. They're going to soften the edges of the political spectrum until we have the dull eyed placid zombie politics we had in the 1990s, the same kind of zombie politics that almost led to a Bush v. Clinton in 2016. The only reason that didn't happen is that the pro-Trump alternative media online went apeshit. They're trying to stop that from ever happening again and on smaller issues than just 4-year elections.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

so just cash and crypto for everybody to the right of stalin?

If you look at Somalis they set up their own payment system for diaspora payments back home. All the UK banks then denied service to them, but they sued Barclays and won to keep it going.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24553148

Why did the banks deny service? The government brought in money laundering laws and those affected anyone the banks did business with. All of it was an attempt to cut off funding to Somali Islamist groups.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahabshiil

Probably what would need to happen for the right is that you have someone like Notch setting up a payment system - he's got enough cash that he doesn't need to worry personally. Mind you money laundering rules would probably mean you'd have no anonymous payments.

What I'm still not sure about is how you could avoid using the big payment processors. Maybe you could use Bitcoin behind the scenes but have a friendly, PayPal and/or Patreon, like front end. If you do it, it will be attacked in all sorts of ways though.

I'm bullshitting way beyond my expertise here.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

I love how media is reporting this as "far right" being banned. You can tell someone is truly special by their usage of "far right." They never call antifa "far left," and "far right" doesn't seem to mean anything anymore given that they're calling people that agree with Bernie Sanders's economic policies as "far right."

 

[Clones of Alex Jones]

Just a quick question, do you think banks are a private entity that should be allowed to halt service for whatever reason they want?

How about payment processors?

What's going on right now obviously political suppression by monetary means. Now in some cases I'm fine with it for people like ISIS, AtomWaffen, and other associated extreme violent political/terrorist organizations.

Sargon doesn't fall into that category and no other viable alternative exists to Pateron, Visa, Mastercard, and their associated payment processors (which Pateron is subservient to) making them a functional monopoly. We have to live with that fact and we need government regulations to protect free speech from these companies.

Protection of free speech regulation happening is sadly unlikely

t.not the guy you asked

I love how media is reporting this as "far right" being banned. You can tell someone is truly special by their usage of "far right." They never call antifa "far left," and "far right" doesn't seem to mean anything anymore given that they're calling people that agree with Bernie Sanders's economic policies as "far right."

"Don't worry so much about the money. Worry about if people start deciding to kill reporters. That's a quote."
-A man who must be stopped

 

[Zaryiu]

Good luck sending your brick of gold through the fucking mail, dipshit.

It's not about investing, it's about being able to send people money without anyone's permission. How do you fucking dribbling brainlets eat without choking on your food?

Good luck sending your brick of gold through the fucking mail, dipshit.

It's not about investing, it's about being able to send people money without anyone's permission. How do you fucking dribbling brainlets eat without choking on your food?

So you understood nothing, I was talking about food reserves, equipment to build your own shit and stuff to defend yourself.

 

[Lysol]

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The reason I asked it is because banks already have laws (in the U.S. at least) against exactly this kind of behavior, for exactly this reason. I'm not sure about the specifics of it but I know that's already a thing. We need to get some kind of legislation on companies like Visa or Mastercard that are functionally the same.

The point being that whenever your company is in the business of dealing with other people's money and where it goes, you're no longer just "a private business that can do whatever it wants". Also, I would argue that Patreon is functionally an extension of such services and should be treated much the same.

 

[HG 400]

I'm okay with this and if the CEO of Mastercard showed up at Sargon's house and shot him and raped his wife I'd also be okay with that.

 

[Blagher]

Just a quick question, do you think banks are a private entity that should be allowed to halt service for whatever reason they want?

How about payment processors?

As long as it conforms to anti discrimation laws, yes. You're forgetting that basically every major bak refused to process crypto transactions on bank issued credit cards earlier this year out of the blue. They do stuff like this already.

What's going on right now obviously political suppression by monetary means. Now in some cases I'm fine with it for people like ISIS, AtomWaffen, and other associated extreme violent political/terrorist organizations.

Sargon doesn't fall into that category and no other viable alternative exists to Pateron, Visa, Mastercard, and their associated payment processors (which Pateron is subservient to) making them a functional monopoly. We have to live with that fact and we need government regulations to protect free speech from these companies.

Protection of free speech regulation happening is sadly unlikely

t.not the guy you asked

Call me dense or naive null but I think you overestimate the ability for the establishment to clamp down on new things. If they could, print news would have killed YouTube and Facebook by now because they were emergent media. If theres sufficient demand for something, business will fill that void. You're forgetting that there's a bunch of random sites that do patreon but for the Alt right as is. Hell, you've found a way to stop being deplatform despite the best attempts by many people.

The establishment can try their best but new forms of communication will emerge in the next cycle and this process will repeat.

I guess the core of my belief on this is that if you let the government start regulating things like this, it sets a precedent for them to regulate even more social issues.

 

[Lysol]

As long as it conforms to anti discrimation laws, yes. You're forgetting that basically every major bak refused to process crypto transactions on bank issued credit cards earlier this year out of the blue. They do stuff like this already.

The reason they can get away with that iirc is because of the laws (and lack thereof, really) concerning cryptocurrencies. That aside, I don't see how canceling cards because they don't want to deal with trying to exchange a cryptocurrency is equivalent to freezing your bank account because of your political beliefs.

 

[Blagher]

The reason they can get away with that iirc is because of the laws (and lack thereof, really) concerning cryptocurrencies. That aside, I don't see how canceling cards because they don't want to deal with trying to exchange a cryptocurrency is equivalent to freezing your bank account because of your political beliefs.

I don't think there's laws saying they can't refuse business of the Alt right either so they can. I agree with you that they should be able to freeze or hold your funds unless there's a legal matter involved but yes, I believe they should have the opportunity to refuse your business or close down your account and cash you out.