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Sure it is. What about when society shames a man for displaying "feminine" traits? That's patriarchy. "Just be a man", "Man up", etc? Patriarchy.
Society doesn't value women more than men. The opposite is true. When society generally thinks that women need more money after a divorce, or that women will automatically be be better parents, etc, that is patriarchy.
Patriarchy can benefit women, and it can hurt men.
It's clear that you haven't really read many books about feminism. I don't think you really understand what it is. I'll cop that I haven't read a single book about men's rights though, so I guess we're even. Can you recommend one?
My value is not based on what a woman thinks of me. Value is subjective. We all have the opportunity to value ourselves based on any metric we want. If other people, men or women, don't value me then that's their prerogative. Anyone with a healthy self esteem should have the same attitude.
I've read a ton on feminism, and that post was a response to someone else.
I don't want to fill this thread with a debate about feminism so this will be my last post on the subject (unless other people contribute besides us).
I'm not out to prove anything, or to show you're wrong, it's just discussion. But you are wrong, btw.
Just because i've read a lot about a subject doesn't mean I agree with all of it. I understand the history, views, and opinions but I don't think every argument is valid. A pro feminist book won't touch on the negative aspects of feminism, and most people can't even admit that there are negative aspects..
When society shames a man for displaying feminine traits that could be seen as a problem, but the solution is not "feminism" as feminism is about and for women. Do you have the balls to tell a woman how to live her life? Yet all these guys are so eager to fall in line to the feminine agenda and base their entire existence around a woman's best interest. The patriarchy hurts men and benefits women, the patriarchy benefits men and hurts women. It works both ways, but it will always be a conveniently unsolvable problem. If you can't tell our society is already heavily feminized, you should pay closer attention. People support feminist issues, and they get covered constantly on TV, online, etc. Men really do care about supporting feminism.
I've heard that feminism helps men as well, but I don't think it's true. Feminism helps men the way caging a wild animal helps the animal. The animal has a safe, comfy home and never goes hungry, but lives on the terms of it's owner. The owner gets to enjoy the nice qualities of the animal, without having to worry about the negative qualities.
You say you don't put value on what a girl thinks about you, but I bet you would hate being labeled a misogynist. Many people, including people on this forum, possibly even you, will tell a guy that if he isn't a feminist he is a misogynist. And those same guys will then say women are oppressed by the patriarchy. Suggest men have problems as well as women and win another misogyny medal. If you want yet another misogyny medal make a half-joking, slightly negative generalization about women. Nobody cares if someone disrespects a guy, or hates men, but if a guy doesn't fall in line to the feminist agenda 24/7 he is instantly a disgusting bitter misogynist, end of story. Everyone helps women, men can deal with it themselves.
You can support women without supporting feminism.
If you don't look out for your own best interest, who will?