Metro Devs throw hissy fit over planned boycott of Epic Store - Threatens to block future PC ports.

[Secret Asshole]

Emoji's, banners, discounts for buying games....yeah. What does Epic have? Crappy indie exclusives, 'The Division 2' and Metro Exodus. And even then, you can just buy the Division 2 through UPlay and bypass Epic's store altogether, which is what I would do.

Also Cyberpunk 2077 threw some shade when someone was concerned it'd be an Epic exclusive:

Obviously if they did it'd be on GoG as well, but Cyberpunk is one of the most anticipated games for years and the ire would be amazing. You'd probably have to pay them hundreds of millions to do it. The sales they'd lose if they did that would be nuts. There's no way Epic could properly compensate them for making it exclusive. I'd buy it on GoG anyway since I want to support CD Projekt Red.

Also Outer Worlds won't be an Epic exclusive either since its a Microsoft game now. The only real benefits to the Epic Store is Metro Exodus, which sparked such a negative reaction, I have no doubt it will sell like shit. You can even avoid the Epic store if you wanted to play 'The Division 2'.

Epic is not proper competition to Steam. Its something PC consumers are roundly rejecting. Fortnite players are going to only play Fortnite. If Apex Legends stays in the game long enough, it will eat into its profits.

 

[Desire Lines]

Emoji's, banners, discounts for buying games....yeah. What does Epic have? Crappy indie exclusives, 'The Division 2' and Metro Exodus. And even then, you can just buy the Division 2 through UPlay and bypass Epic's store altogether, which is what I would do.

emojis

useless flair garbage

banners

useless flair garbage

discounts

only valid one, and even so, i'd imagine they will introduce discounts sooner or later, and even if they don't, i will pay for a game full price if i like it enough

i do not understand why pc gamers are so lenient on not using epic, the main difference between epic and garbage like origin and uplay is that epic wants to be a platform for games rather than a tool to distrubute their own games
why are people so opposed to competing steam and valve's garbage policies? "i have to install another piece of software on my pc oh no" is not a good argument considering how it weighs very little

 

[SJ 485]

Emoji's, banners

>actually wanting to pay money for emoticons and profile backgrounds
I bet you'd pay a dollar to change your avatar too and think you're getting a good deal.

 

[Wake me up]

Cyberpunk 2077 is hyped enough that if Epic made a bid for it to be an exclusive Epic Store product, CDPR could just go to Steam and ask for double to be Steam exclusive and Valve would actually consider paying. That being said, with every single Bethesda fan jumping ship and going "senpai CDPR and senpai Obsidian, please save us!!!!!!" I am afraid that the hype for both CP2077 and Outer Worlds is quickly growing to a point where it will impossible for either game to be as good as people are inflating them up to be, even if they end up being pretty fucking good regardless.

I mean, I hope they deliver good games and I know from recent history that they absolutelycan but people right now are expecting substantially more than either Witcher 3 or Fallout: New Vegas, because these are what the new games will be compared to. Again, even if they end up being pretty fucking good, it's still a very tall order to be as good as those particular classics and that's what people are expecting at a minimum.

Getting hyped up about games on this scale is never good for anyone. 99% of the time the actual product "fails" to deliver because people were expecting the impossible. The other 1% the game is so bad it's called Fallout 76.

 

[The tired cat]

i do not understand why pc gamers are so lenient on not using epic, the main difference between epic and garbage like origin and uplay is that epic wants to be a platform for games rather than a tool to distrubute their own games
why are people so opposed to competing steam and valve's garbage policies? "i have to install another piece of software on my pc oh no" is not a good argument considering how it weighs very little

Let's seee: being allowed to post user reviews, making a wishlist, better protection, forums, being allowed to chat with friends, cloud saves, being allowed to pick which folder you wanna install the game, achievements, being allowed to play games while offline (FYI not allowed with the Epic Store), more game offers, easier to browse trough the store, family sharing option, universal controller support, community guides, being allowed to get refunds, external key sales.

Also, again competition is something like GoG vs Steam. What epic is doing isn't being competing, it's pretty much going "Hey fuckers, buy from us because we have two games you want and you cannot get 'em anywhere else until next year!"

 

[Secret Asshole]

>actually wanting to pay money for emoticons and profile backgrounds
I bet you'd pay a dollar to change your avatar too and think you're getting a good deal.

You mean the nothing I paid for them when I bought a couple of games I wanted on sale?

 

[Wake me up]

Let's seee

You haven't even touched on streaming, Steam Play, VR support, big picture mode, Steam Machines... all of which are minor features but still treated as first-class citizens because they're absolutely critical to some small niche of clients they have. We could stay here discussing all the benefits Steam offers entirely for free for weeks and people would still end up coming now and again and telling us about some obscure feature they love and nobody else knows about.

 

[Desire Lines]

Let's seee: being allowed to post user reviews, making a wishlist, better protection, forums, being allowed to chat with friends, cloud saves, being allowed to pick which folder you wanna install the game, achievements, being allowed to play games while offline (FYI not allowed with the Epic Store), more game offers, easier to browse trough the store, family sharing option, universal controller support, community guides, being allowed to get refunds, external key sales.

Also, again competition is something like GoG vs Steam. What epic is doing isn't being competing, it's pretty much going "Hey fuckers, buy from us because we have two games you want and you cannot get 'em anywhere else until next year!"

most of that are half-baked functions that don't work properly or useless stuff like achievements, more game offers is obvious because steam is an old platform, you can get refunds on epic, being allowed to chat with friends is something you can do on mumble or discord and it works a lot better than steam's garbage chat interface... i could say this about the other points, but the truth of it is that epic is a new platform, and obviously not ready yet, if you don't want to use it now that's fine, but don't blame epic for exclusive games especially considering there are exclusive games on steam. so what should people who don't want to buy it on steam do?

 

[The tired cat]

most of that are half-baked functions that don't work properly or useless stuff like achievements, more game offers is obvious because steam is an old platform, you can get refunds on epic, being allowed to chat with friends is something you can do on mumble or discord and it works a lot better than steam's garbage chat interface... i could say this about the other points, but the truth of it is that epic is a new platform, and obviously not ready yet, if you don't want to use it now that's fine, but don't blame epic for exclusive games especially considering there are exclusive games on steam. so what should people who don't want to buy it on steam do?

1. Epic doesn't have any refund system, so bullshit on that statement; 2. All these "half-baked" functions still make Steam leaps and bounds above the Epic Store; 3. Please aside from Valves games, name me any exclusives titles on steam that I cannot get say on GoG for example?; 4. Yeah, it's a new platform that suddenly thinks it'll be hot shit and be able to compete with Steam, while it's missing a shit load of features or reasons why people should use it.

Seriously, thus far I haven't heard a single damn good reason why anyone should use the Epic Store besides the tired "Well, it's 10$ cheaper".

 

[Desire Lines]

1. Epic doesn't have any refund system, so bullshit on that statement; 2. All these "half-baked" functions still make Steam leaps and bounds above the Epic Store; 3. Please aside from Valves games, name me any exclusives titles on steam that I cannot get say on GoG for example?; 4. Yeah, it's a new platform that suddenly thinks it'll be hot shit and be able to compete with Steam, while it's missing a shit load of features or reasons why people should use it.

Seriously, thus far I haven't heard a single damn good reason why anyone should use the Epic Store besides the tired "Well, it's 10$ cheaper".

1) https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/store-refund-policy
2) these features are useless, i dislike the game store getting filled up with useless bullshit, i can download better programs to use
3) most indie games have no choice but to use steam for release
4) what features specifically? the ones you mentioned? because like i said, most of it is useless, and when i use a game store, i want it to be a game store, not a bloated media multi-hub
the only thing i dislike about epic is that you can't download games without a launcher and the small games library, and one of these is on a way to getting fixed

 

[The tired cat]

1) https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/store-refund-policy
2) these features are useless, i dislike the game store getting filled up with useless bullshit, i can download better programs to use
3) most indie games have no choice but to use steam for release
4) what features specifically? the ones you mentioned? because like i said, most of it is useless, and when i use a game store, i want it to be a game store, not a bloated media multi-hub
the only thing i dislike about epic is that you can't download games without a launcher and the small games library, and one of these is on a way to getting fixed

1. Wow, they actually bothered to include this feature when it wasn't present before.
2. Well, that's the problem. Nobody cares what you dislike or what you consider useless. Since some people like these features.
3. Name me these so called "most" indie titles. Just a few as examples.
4. Yeah, somehow I'm doubting it'll be the game library part.

 

[Desire Lines]

1. Wow, they actually bothered to include this feature when it wasn't present before.
2. Well, that's the problem. Nobody cares what you dislike or what you consider useless. Since some people like these features.
3. Name me these so called "most" indie titles. Just a few as examples.
4. Yeah, somehow I'm doubting it'll be the game library part.

alright, let me get some games from my steam library
https://store.steampowered.com/app/219890/Antichamber/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/12900/AudioSurf/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/303210/The_Beginners_Guide/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/350070/Environmental_Station_Alpha/
i could keep going, but i think you get my point

 

[Secret Asshole]

Then use Epic and stop whining.

 

[Desire Lines]

Then use Epic and stop whining.

i will be using epic and steam both, also you should probably stop whining about a metro exodus being on epic :^)

 

[Secret Asshole]

I find massive fuck ups hilarious. Enjoy your Chinese bloatware with security issues and no features. I'll be playing the other 50 thousand games I have and get Exodus and all its DLC for $20 bucks during an inevitable sale, because I can wait.

 

[GentlemanFaggot]

Emoji's, banners, discounts for buying games....yeah. What does Epic have? Crappy indie exclusives, 'The Division 2' and Metro Exodus. And even then, you can just buy the Division 2 through UPlay and bypass Epic's store altogether, which is what I would do.

Also Cyberpunk 2077 threw some shade when someone was concerned it'd be an Epic exclusive:

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Obviously if they did it'd be on GoG as well, but Cyberpunk is one of the most anticipated games for years and the ire would be amazing. You'd probably have to pay them hundreds of millions to do it. The sales they'd lose if they did that would be nuts. There's no way Epic could properly compensate them for making it exclusive. I'd buy it on GoG anyway since I want to support CD Projekt Red.

Also Outer Worlds won't be an Epic exclusive either since its a Microsoft game now. The only real benefits to the Epic Store is Metro Exodus, which sparked such a negative reaction, I have no doubt it will sell like shit. You can even avoid the Epic store if you wanted to play 'The Division 2'.

Epic is not proper competition to Steam. Its something PC consumers are roundly rejecting. Fortnite players are going to only play Fortnite. If Apex Legends stays in the game long enough, it will eat into its profits.

I would be okay with GoG doing this, myself, since GoG actually allows you to download an offline installer in case their servers catch the potato blight and die. That's a perk of GoG that I like a lot and I was going to buy Cyberpunk from it already.

But it would still be a really dumb idea saleswise and CD Projeckt isn't that dumb.

 

[Nobunaga]

i will be using epic and steam both, also you should probably stop whining about a metro exodus being on epic :^)

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[Desire Lines]

I find massive fuck ups hilarious. Enjoy your Chinese bloatware with security issues and no features. I'll be playing the other 50 thousand games I have and get Exodus and all its DLC for $20 bucks during an inevitable sale, because I can wait.

steam has had MASSIVE security problems, epic is not fully owned by tencent if you actually read about it and the program is way less bloated than steam's shitty ui
also how many of those 50 thousand games are garbage like anime titty shovelware and slider puzzles?

 

[AnOminous]

why are people so opposed to competing steam and valve's garbage policies?

How the fuck are they competing with Steam's user-driven reviews and discussion forums? They don't have them. At all. There's no good, honest reason not to have them and considering all the other major things (the security issues should be a deal breaker by themselves) I don't see how they're "competing." At best they're trying to poach some small segment of the market and doing it in a sleazy, underhanded way.

 

[Secret Asshole]

I'm sorry, but I don't get 50 email messages trying to phish my Steam account from me like I do with Epic. lol, you're high. Steam is insanely secure. They bought 48% of Epic's outstanding shares and own 40% of its capital and stock options. It has 2 Tencent execs on the board of directors. 3 Tencent directors and 2 observers who Epic got to appoint from Tencent. Oh yeah, Tencent doesn't control anything in Epic. It has absolutely no influence over it, aside from the executives, the observers, the directors and controlling 48% of its shares. You're a fucking idiot if you think Epic doesn't have to answer to its 48% stockholder and its not going to have any influence on the company or store. Tencent can dump that stock and burn Epic to the ground if it wanted.

And not many of them are. I buy on sale and in bundles. Apparently you don't know of these things calls 'sales' and 'bundles' where things are heavily discounted.

How the fuck are they competing with Steam's user-driven reviews and discussion forums? They don't have them. At all. There's no good, honest reason not to have them and considering all the other major things (the security issues should be a deal breaker by themselves) I don't see how they're "competing." At best they're trying to poach some small segment of the market and doing it in a sleazy, underhanded way.

This. It's not competing with Steam. At all. Its an anti-consumer shithole with massive Chinese influence, favoring publishers by not having forums. You know what you do if you have a problem with a game on the Epic games store? You go to Steam.

Also you can generate Steam keys for free, sell the game on your website and give out Steam keys to users and keep 100% of the profit. You don't need to have your game on Steam. But you know, you lose out on the features Steam has. It must be all those terrible features everyone hates which is why nobody sells their game with Steam keys that can be done for free on their website and make 100% of the profit.