Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[SiccDicc]

He pretty much admitted they cover up for actual rapists and people worse than Vic solely because it wouldn't make them money. He's probably lying about even that and is yet another of the creepy men rapeshielding by pretending to be a feminist.

Starting to think our education system isn't all that if they find "Oh, we know about even worse people, but don't talk about them." is an adequate defense. It's like witch hunters trying to find the most popular witch to burn despite her pretty much only selling poultices that ease pain and heal wounds, but causes a blemish after, just to send a message to the ones actually cavorting with the devil. They're still gonna cavort, they're just gonna be a lot more quiet about it.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

ANN is not too big to fall for good. A stiff fucking breeze could knock over ANN. That operation is held together with bailing wire and chewing gum.

You're right. Everyone on the site deserves to fall. Zac especially. I only said that because the encyclopedia they got is more comprehensive than AniDB's incomplete mess and hopefully it gets split off or revived without the baggage of "woke" reviewers following suit.

Gen's already stepped down as CEO and is now in a chairman/advisory role. I'm sure he's not happy with this.

I mean completely retire from Funi (and Sony) once this is all said and done. Because lord knows he probably doesn't like Sony's own mismanagement.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

I think Sony is more likely to reorg Funimation and kick the bad actors out than shut it down completely and let its licenses go to waste

The argument that I've heard is that Funimation is completely redundant to Aniplex of America. The second part is that the only reason Funimation currently exists is it's parent company is Sony Pictures, the American-based company, and Aniplex is a subsidiary of Sony Music Entertainment Japan. The card shuffling required to move licenses to Aniplex is too much to bother with right now. If someone in the home office decides Funimation has created a big enough shit storm, it becomes the easy thing to do.

 

[Captain Manning]

You're right. Everyone on the site deserves to fall. Zac especially. I only said that because the encyclopedia they got is more comprehensive than AniDB's incomplete mess and hopefully it gets split off or revived without the baggage of "woke" reviewers following suit.

That's literally the only good part of the site, and anybody can easily do it. Probably better (honestly, that site is programmed by monkeys). I think it's a non-issue. The problem ANN has is they can't be making too much in the way of revenue.

The reviewers might scurry into other corners of the Internet, but this is going to be a black mark on their careers that will follow them everywhere. The principle actors might not ever recover. Nick Denton and A.J. Daulerio haven't.

 

[AnOminous]

The argument that I've heard is that Funimation is completely redundant to Aniplex of America. The second part is that the only reason Funimation currently exists is it's parent company is Sony Pictures, the American-based company, and Aniplex is a subsidiary of Sony Music Entertainment Japan. The card shuffling required to move licenses to Aniplex is too much to bother with right now. If someone in the home office decides Funimation has created a big enough shit storm, it becomes the easy thing to do.

What I am wondering is how the fuck does Funimation get bought for $143 million in the first place? How is some rinky dink operation run by utter cretins with no obvious assets other than some contracts for marginally profitable dubs and some associations with shit-tier non-union VAs even merit anything on that price level?

 

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What I am wondering is how the fuck does Funimation get bought for $143 million in the first place? How is some rinky dink operation run by utter cretins with no obvious assets other than some contracts for marginally profitable dubs and some associations with shit-tier non-union VAs even merit anything on that price level?

143 million is almost nothing for Sony. How many licenses do they own? How much did they pay for them? How much goodwill do they (well, did they) have with the weeb community? How many contacts with conventions, contracts, marketing resources, etc did they have already created?

More importantly: How cheaply can Aniplex now hire people by funneling them through Funimation's Texas sweatshops rather than the Commiefornia Unions?

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

What I am wondering is how the fuck does Funimation get bought for $143 million in the first place? How is some rinky dink operation run by utter cretins with no obvious assets other than some contracts for marginally profitable dubs and some associations with shit-tier non-union VAs even merit anything on that price level?

Best answer is probably the Dragonball licence. While I was getting all the Sony's straight I saw Fukunaga sold Funimation in 2005 for what would be $162m today and retained executive control of the company. I also saw Fukunaga was the nephew of a producer at Toei and that's exactly why he had access to the Dragonball license.

 

[Captain Manning]

What I am wondering is how the fuck does Funimation get bought for $143 million in the first place? How is some rinky dink operation run by utter cretins with no obvious assets other than some contracts for marginally profitable dubs and some associations with shit-tier non-union VAs even merit anything on that price level?

When you buy a company, you're not just buying tangible assets, but intangible assets. While Funimation is probably run by monkeys, and doesn't have much real property, it has assembled a list of contacts and positive transaction history with the Japanese side. That counts for something in this industry. For example, Fukunaga got the DB license from Toei when all others failed. Indeed, that might be the primary reason they have not yet shuttered the company: More Japanese right's holders are probably familiar with Funimation in the US than they are Aniplex.

Also, Funi is the big dog. Rather than kill their biggest competitor, Sony simply bought it.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

And as needlessly political as it was, the patriarchy line from Dragon Maid wasn't completely out of the blue. The original Japanese (so I hear) referenced society judging the character in question. Marchi just added some political flair by referencing the patriarchy. It's not necessarily wrong, just probably a bad choice because keep the politics to Twitter.

You've said this complete and utter bollocks two or three times in this thread now and it's utter utter horseshit.

Lucoa's character is based on that of Quetzalcoatl and she was last kicking around in the human world back during the Aztec Empire, and even then, she was mostly drunk off her ass.

This was a culture who's women had, as an option for dressing, going completely topless and otherwise wearing very little clothing in the wider culture as we generally see and know about many civilisations in hotter climates. This is reflected in what she wears a lot of the time as that society was far less inhibited than modern Japan, or even civilisation today generally itself.

In the manga her dress is even more "risque" as it's a loose, thin top showing plenty of midriff, while in the anime this was toned down further with a longer black T-shirt completely covering her stomach.

"Age of consent" also wasn't really a thing back during the Aztec Era with an awful awful lot of people marrying at about 10-12, if not younger across huge swathes of human civilisation 400-600 years ago. That's part of the damn joke about her character as well. She simply doesn't know new societal norms.

She has zero clue about modern day technology or bargaining chips as one of the first things she offers Shouta to seal the deal is agricultural techniques that are centuries out of date, followed by gold, and then in final desperation her own body to try and be of some use as Shouta finds a literal dragon to be completely useless to him.

If anything, that "patriarchy" line is doubly moronic because surely to fight the patriarchy would be to be more "female sex positive" and go about flaunting the goods instead of covering up like you're being shamed? Lucoa does it because she's trying to understand the new era she's in and had picked up on the stares and whispered comments as she has been walking around, so dressed more modestly to reduce the stares and comments.

That's why it's such a fucking bug bear for people and why it's a "calling out Funimations agenda driven bullshit" because it's so out of actual character for the character to be babbling about shit she wouldn't have any real concept or context about when her last point of reference were people fucking cutting hearts out for sacrifice to the sun.

 

[OldAmishRenegade]

I'd say Vic is guilty....of poor fashion choices. Jesus those purple pants...

Vic seems like a lovely man but I do have to admit his fashion sense is... eclectic, to say the least.

There's supposedly a reason for his weirder clothes.

While researching these Vic Stories I went through Vic's tag in Instagram, looking at everything his name was tagged in with convention photos of him or photos of his autograph (btw not a single complaint he was creepy or an asshole or homophobic in 8000+ posts of people with photo proof they'd met him going back years).

But on one of the pictures a girl captioned it making fun of his fashion and someone commented claiming that they asked Vic about it once and he said he's often given clothes by amatuer designers (probably fans) and wears them to conventions to help display their work.

Winn Lee's just bitter about the unnecessary redub of Evangelion

The funny part about that is before this shit happened Vic was on Twitter sticking up for the original cast of Eva saying he hoped Netflix would keep them. Spike Spencer seemed pretty excited and grateful Vic did that.

 

[Uranus Pink]

There's supposedly a reason for his weirder clothes.

While researching these Vic Stories I went through Vic's tag in Instagram, looking at everything his name was tagged in with convention photos of him or photos of his autograph (btw not a single complaint he was creepy or an asshole or homophobic in 8000+ posts of people with photo proof they'd met him going back years).

But on one of the pictures a girl captioned it making fun of his fashion and someone commented claiming that they asked Vic about it once and he said he's often given clothes by amatuer designers (probably fans) and wears them to conventions to help display their work.

If true it does make me wonder about the clothing Vic gets that he decides nope ain't wearing that.

 

[Bullshit Fucked]

If true it does make me wonder about the clothing Vic gets that he decides nope ain't wearing that.

inb4 it involves leather and straps

 

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Those clothes make Vic look like a Jojo character.

 

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If true it does make me wonder about the clothing Vic gets that he decides nope ain't wearing that.

inb4 it involves leather and straps

I immediately thought of the Puffy Shirt.

 

[damian]

inb4 it involves leather and straps

I immediately thought of the Puffy Shirt.

No assless chaps, smh Kiwis.

 

[Son of Sparda 84]

Those clothes make Vic look like a Jojo character.

How Ironic

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Also, Funi is the big dog. Rather than kill their biggest competitor, Sony simply bought it.

Sounds familiar to me.

 

[Medicated]

This was a culture who's women had, as an option for dressing, going completely topless and otherwise wearing very little clothing in the wider culture as we generally see and know about many civilisations in hotter climates. This is reflected in what she wears a lot of the time as that society was far less inhibited than modern Japan, or even civilisation today generally itself.

Yeah I remember road to el dorado too.

 

[BoxofMonkeys]

Why so apocalyptic in your prediction? Not that you're alone in saying this sort of stuff, but keep in mind that the smart and most likely outcome is still for everyone to settle; especially for ANN, who are hopefully smart enough to avoid a potentially ruinous lawsuit. And I think Sony is more likely to reorg Funimation and kick the bad actors out than shut it down completely and let its licenses go to waste - if they decide this whole thing warrants attention in the first place...

I'm not sure about ANN they seem to be going the "You can't serve us because were in Soviet Canuckistan" route.

 

[Jill Kews]

Man, that's... It's complicated. Yeah, I know, this reeks of "that 8 year old is really 1000 years old" but...

For those outside looking in, In the manga the kid (literally named Shouta -- aka, "Young Boy") is a young wizard out to prove himself. He tries to summon a demon to show off to his father and Lucoa was bored at the time so she responded instead, partially so no actual demons would respond.

Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid || All Lucoa Clips. Part 2

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The thing is, she's based on Quetzalcoatl, a male Aztec fertility/agriculture/creator/wisdom god, whose big claim to fame was getting drunk and banging either his sister or his head priestess, and then burning himself alive out of shame. So... yeah.

There's a big "tomboy who doesn't realize she's a babe" vibe (she speaks like a guy in Japanese apparently) going on with the character. And while she thinks Shouta is cute, most of what she does can be explained away by her just being completely oblivious to the fact that she's a gorgeous and well endowed woman. Her being oblivious is a running theme. She's basically a fanservice anime character in a non-fanservice show.

Now, is she a pedophile? Eeeh? The author definitely has a fetish for short if not comically tiny men and large busty amazonian women -- one of his serieses is named ChiChiChiChi (lit: "Titstitstitstits.") about a short guy and his tall and large breasted roommate, and his pixiv definitely has some similar porn on it. He definitely enjoys his titjobs, nursing, et cetera.

Without diving back into the manga because I'd binge it, the general vibe I remember from her was obliviousness crossed with her just being WAY too much for Shouta to handle. He has a similar reaction to seeing Emma's hips during one episode, and other characters have similar reactions when she jiggles - he just can't handle fanservice. At the same time, again, she's completely oblivious. A running gag, for example, is her arriving in locations in extremely inappropriate dress, like a microbikini at a public pool, and having authorities show up and drag her away while she remains confused.

I got less a "no one wants to confront her about her being a pedo" and more a "no one wants to confront her about being a fanservice character" vibe.

To that end, having her be changed from "absurdly endowed tomboy who doesn't really understand how people see her" to "straw feminist who is pissed that the patriarchy is making her hide her navel" is... just kinda dumb, to the point of it being near offensive. Especially since ignoring how awkward all the above sounds, it's probably one of the best manga I've read in years.

The ultimate irony being that Kobayashi's Dragon Maid is... kind of a progressive as hell series. It's basically an urban fantasy series about a lesbian couple raising an adopted young lesbian, while their two male friends are in a heterosexual life partners situation and their other female friend is a sex positive single mother type. SJWs should be falling over themselves to make it as faithful as possible. But they couldn't help themselves and had to "fix" it.



Nah. Well, maybe his old one? His current one is over here:

https://twitter.com/coolkyou2

I looked and couldn't find it.

You've said this complete and utter bollocks two or three times in this thread now and it's utter utter horseshit.

Lucoa's character is based on that of Quetzalcoatl and she was last kicking around in the human world back during the Aztec Empire, and even then, she was mostly drunk off her ass.

This was a culture who's women had, as an option for dressing, going completely topless and otherwise wearing very little clothing in the wider culture as we generally see and know about many civilisations in hotter climates. This is reflected in what she wears a lot of the time as that society was far less inhibited than modern Japan, or even civilisation today generally itself.

In the manga her dress is even more "risque" as it's a loose, thin top showing plenty of midriff, while in the anime this was toned down further with a longer black T-shirt completely covering her stomach.

"Age of consent" also wasn't really a thing back during the Aztec Era with an awful awful lot of people marrying at about 10-12, if not younger across huge swathes of human civilisation 400-600 years ago. That's part of the damn joke about her character as well. She simply doesn't know new societal norms.

She has zero clue about modern day technology or bargaining chips as one of the first things she offers Shouta to seal the deal is agricultural techniques that are centuries out of date, followed by gold, and then in final desperation her own body to try and be of some use as Shouta finds a literal dragon to be completely useless to him.

If anything, that "patriarchy" line is doubly moronic because surely to fight the patriarchy would be to be more "female sex positive" and go about flaunting the goods instead of covering up like you're being shamed? Lucoa does it because she's trying to understand the new era she's in and had picked up on the stares and whispered comments as she has been walking around, so dressed more modestly to reduce the stares and comments.

That's why it's such a fucking bug bear for people and why it's a "calling out Funimations agenda driven bullshit" because it's so out of actual character for the character to be babbling about shit she wouldn't have any real concept or context about when her last point of reference were people fucking cutting hearts out for sacrifice to the sun.

Kiwifarms has multiple learned scholars of the big titty dragon girl show. Fascinating. This warrants reformatting and expanding on as a joint scientific paper for professional submission.

I'm only half sarcastic this is better research than ANN has ever managed.