2019-03-17 - New Zealand Police: "We would like to preserve any posts and technical data including IP addresses, email addresses etc"

[Dracula's Spirit Animal]

It's chilling as fuck to see outright factual lies like that from a supposedly reputable newspaper. That's not a biased slant or selective wording, they're straight-up saying things that are objectively false, and easy to see are false if you take so much as a thirty second gander around the farms or do the most basic research into what actually happened. And that's not some trashy supermarket tabloid, that's a real fucking newspaper with supposedly factual reporting as far as a google search or two tells me.

I think this is the first time I've seen media lie about something I actually have firsthand knowledge of and it's Orwellian as fuck.

I was on the front page of several papers once involved with a major event (before they did a media blackout). It was pre-Internet, and it was fucking chilling as shit. Completely divorced from the actual facts. Everything was nonsense. I can't imagine how much worse it would be nowadays.

Some cop from overseas didn't demand anything. He asked for help. The police are trying to gather as much information as they can. That's how criminal investigations work. If the asshole had nothing to do with KF then it should be about a five minute conversation and this shit would be over.

Edit: People have been doxed on KF for less than mass murder. Just sayin'.

If they were seriously concerned about relevant evidence in a criminal investigation, they would have worked with US justice to effect that evidence gathering, and seen what that would bring up. If emailing some rando forum host with a "pretty pleeeeease" is their investigative approach, I am not surprised at their 36 minute response time.

 

[AnOminous]

I don't understand why everyone's so keen on pinning the blame for every major shooting on everything but the perps.

Because SJWs are filthy ghouls who never see a tragedy of any kind without rubbing their hands together in glee and immediately figuring out how they can blame their already existing enemies for it.

 

[Cataloons]

Our "fucked up system" is steadfast in the belief that you are innocent until PROVEN guilty, and you have an absolute RIGHT not to have to say SHIT to the police, ever. And our "fucked up system" has MILLIONS, if not BILLIONS of people who want to live here. Fuck Australia and fuck New Zealand.

Oh I agree about innocent until proven guilty - that's why they are trying to gather as much information as possible. Which is why they contacted Null in the first place. And yes, you do have the absolute right to not say anything to the police if you so choose.

Just so I can understand you correctly, are you angry with Australia and New Zealand because they are following due process according to their legal system? And not conforming to the US legal system?

 

[AnOminous]

Jesus, what a fucked up legal system you guys have over there. I'm looking at it from an Australian/New Zealand justice system point of view. For us, "assisting with enquiries" is the standard response because not talking to the police makes you seem guilty as fuck.

Sorry for international sperging.

Fuck your shithole country and its faggot laws.

 

[das saerds]

@Null
Just registered . Am in CHCH. Can i copy paste /share that fa__ots query and response.

 

[repentance]

Was he planning on deleting them? If not, it's just coincidental that they wanted the same thing he was planning on doing anyway rather than an act of compliance.

My point is that if his response was solely about saying fuck you to the police he could have deleted (really deleted) the threads as an act of defiance. He didn't.

fwiw, I'm not sure it won't be over-reach if Australian ISPs are directed to start blocking sites for dodgy reasons not really covered by the existing legislation. It would probably end up in the High Court if any of them chose to fight it.

 

[IamnottheNSA]

@Null
Can i copy paste /share that fa__ots query and response.

Don't write like a faggot and we're deal.

 

[3XaRcH]

Just registered, epic email response sir! That detective got burnt

 

[Zilortha]

Dude, they're asking for help. They're not threatening or demanding anything. KF has helped gather evidence against shits before that have lead to charges being laid, so why is this any different? The fact that they asked, rather than KF doing it on their own volition?

And yes, I know I'm being a precious snowflake about this, but fifty one people are dead. I don't see how allowing the police to see for themselves that this asshole had no connection to KF is in any way harmful. It's not about censorship, it's not about entrapment, they just want this guy to go down hard.

EDIT: Herp derp, I don't know the US jutice system works.

I think you're confused. They don't need help with Tarrant. The motherfucker livestreamed himself doing it lol. You don't think that's enough proof to "go down hard"? Really?
They're asking for help to put away people who so much as viewed the video or manifesto. If this isn't "about censorship" I'd fucking hate to see what you consider censorship.

 

[JULAY]

Oh I agree about innocent until proven guilty - that's why they are trying to gather as much information as possible. Which is why they contacted Null in the first place. And yes, you do have the absolute right to not say anything to the police if you so choose.

Just so I can understand you correctly, are you angry with Australia and New Zealand because they are following due process according to their legal system? And not conforming to the US legal system?

You seem to have some sort of intellectual disability, so I'll explain this to you in small words that you can understand. The NZ cop who emailed Null was not looking for evidence of the shooter's activities or whereabouts, he was trying to get information to prosecute people for possession and/or sharing the video of the shootings. We Americans are pretty big on freedom of speech and the free flow of information, and many of us believe that criminalizing either of those activities is morally wrong regardless of the local laws in a given country.

 

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Oh I agree about innocent until proven guilty - that's why they are trying to gather as much information as possible. Which is why they contacted Null in the first place. And yes, you do have the absolute right to not say anything to the police if you so choose.

Just so I can understand you correctly, are you angry with Australia and New Zealand because they are following due process according to their legal system? And not conforming to the US legal system?

Stop being a fag enabler. Fuck the pigs, fuck the pig system.

 

[Cataloons]

Yeah, I'm a huge tard. I think that we can all agree on that.

So I'll ask again; you're angry because they approached this from an New Zealand justice system point of view, rather than an American justice point of view? Using small workds like "yes" or "no" would help my massively damaged brain absorb your answer.

 

[repentance]

While Telstra has said that they're domain blocking because they think they should, Voda is trying to pretend differently because they're too fucking gutless to admit that they're doing it by choice.

Nick Monroe on Twitter: "🚨Australian DOMAIN BLOCKING censorship of 4…

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Davey G on Twitter: "Getting the exact same page when I try to visit …

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[Jaded Optimist]

Yeah, I'm a huge tard. I think that we can all agree on that.

So I'll ask again; you're angry because they approached this from an New Zealand justice system point of view, rather than an American justice point of view? Using small workds like "yes" or "no" would help my massively damaged brain absorb your answer.

Holy shit, you really are disabled aren't you? The cop wasn't investigating the shooting,they want to investigate you and/or anyone who talked about the shooting or viewed the video. They were trying to be able to identify those guilty of essentially thought crime straight out of "1984"

 

[Star Stuff]

Yeah, I'm a huge tard. I think that we can all agree on that.

So I'll ask again; you're angry because they approached this from an New Zealand justice system point of view, rather than an American justice point of view? Using small workds like "yes" or "no" would help my massively damaged brain absorb your answer.

Self-flagellation won't make us stop thinking you're an idiot.

The police officer wants to prosecute NZ citizens that visit the farms. That is a freedom of speech violation and an offense to both our culture and moral foundation. We can't stop you from making this Orwellian mistake, but we have no desire to help you.

 

[Freedom_or_Death]

Anyone seen this? There's a video to go with it floating around.

Hunter says he warned police about Dunedin gun club, Christchurch shooter

Pete Bridahl raised concerns over the Bruce Rifle Club a few years ago.

www.tvnz.co.nz

 

[Mammal]

And why would they want indiscriminately the user data of everyone who posted about the shooting, without jurisdiction or a warrant?

I wouldn’t give my information out to Five Eyes either, which is essentially what you’re doing when you do this.

 

[Jaded Optimist]

Anyone seen this? There's a video to go with it floating around.

Hunter says he warned police about Dunedin gun club, Christchurch shooter

Pete Bridahl raised concerns over the Bruce Rifle Club a few years ago.

www.tvnz.co.nz

what a joke. You hear Bullshit like that at most gun clubs, shops, or firearm forums.

 

[LU 010]

Yeah, I'm a huge tard. I think that we can all agree on that.

So I'll ask again; you're angry because they approached this from an New Zealand justice system point of view, rather than an American justice point of view? Using small workds like "yes" or "no" would help my massively damaged brain absorb your answer.

The "New Zealand Justice point of view" is violating major civil liberties when they're going after everyone discussing the shooting or the video. So yes. Being angry when civil rights are violated is the appropriate response.

 

[N836BA]

More interesting news on the censorship. Those of you who have been following this closely will recall that Sky TV (a satellite TV provider) removed Sky News Australia from their broadcasting. They have now refused to say if the NZ Police told them to remove the channel. So that means that yes, the police did ask them to remove it. That's a big difference from the story they have been spinning that the ISP's and TV news have been doing this out of the goodness of their hearts.

Removing Sky News was our decision, says Sky TV

Broadcaster says police not involved in decision to drop Sky News Australia.

www.stuff.co.nz