2019-03-17 - New Zealand Police: "We would like to preserve any posts and technical data including IP addresses, email addresses etc"

[Ledian]

Having seen 'The First Amendment applies only to the government' I'd like to remind our journalist friends that the freedom of the press is also enshrined in that same amendment that everyone likes to sling around. It only takes marginal amount of thinking to see where that might lead if the state decides to take away speech for all.
So you, my journalist friends, might want to think about the implications on that a bit carefully next time you ever think about writing something that stupid. Us plebians won't be the only ones affected. Plus, authoritarian regimes almost always go and silence the critics first to cement their rule.

Guess who the loudest critics might ever be?

 

[uberzilla]

It's illegal to share the video
It's illegal to view the video
The government wants details about people talking about the video

What strange times we live in. I've no interest in watching it but what exactly makes them think that you can just demand details off a website? Should China be provided with the details of online users criticising their regime?

 

[GethN7]

Europeans and Commonwealth nations culturally don't understand the concept of negative/natural rights. They associate their rights with the existence of the state. In their mind the state guarantees their rights while in America we consider the state as a threat to our rights.

The irony is that most of the ideas that founded American guarantees of liberty were founded in many European countries, including the parent state that New Zealand is connected to.

Those concepts partially failed to take hold because the idea of the state being the final arbiter of your freedom was ingrained in European society, althougth this is understandable, it's a concept that goes back to the Romans. The other reason most European states and their clients/descendants don't value the American concept of absolute freedoms insofar as their exercise does not injure another person is due to the fact their own liberties have been vastly more curtailed throughout their history, and so they look at guys like Null telling them to fuck off as anathema, not understanding as a US citizen Josh Moon is inculcated with the belief the state derives consent for its actions from the governed, while European style countries generally see it the other way round.

American liberty as a concept is based on the premise the state exists because the citizens want it to exist and believe it will enhance their freedoms, and if it doesn't, it will be rejected as illegitimate. In places like New Zealand, the state exists because practically every European country has a history of wanting order as opposed to chaos, and thus giving up their freedoms to the state is seen as a sacrifice they need to make to ensure said stability.

 

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Latin American Facebook seems to be barely moderated.

Anything not in English is freer.

I follow a lot of Middle-eastern folks on the Twitter, and they've had uncensored copies of the shooting vids posted up since the day (hell, probably since the hour) that it happened.

Can anyone think of a way to spin this that would cause a mass block of Twitter in NZ & Aus?

 

[AlexJonesGotMePregnant]

It’d be funny if the Chinese used this site as evidence of western degeneracy.

I think all of us use this site as evidence of western degeneracy lol

 

[AnOminous]

That's the whole point! It's not your inalienable right to watch muslims getting murdered - or to watch anything at all for that matter.

Go be a bootlicking slave somewhere else.

 

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most of the ideas that founded American guarantees of liberty were founded in many European countries, including the parent state that New Zealand is connected to...

Those concepts partially failed to take hold because the idea of the state being the final arbiter of your freedom was ingrained in European society, althougth this is understandable, it's a concept that goes back to the Romans. The other reason most European states and their clients/descendants don't value the American concept of absolute freedoms insofar as their exercise does not injure another person is due to the fact their own liberties have been vastly more curtailed throughout their history, and so they look at guys like Null telling them to fuck off as anathema, not understanding as a US citizen Josh Moon is inculcated with the belief the state derives consent for its actions from the governed, while European style countries generally see it the other way round.

I would instead argue that American liberties continued to exist for a long time because for a long time, you could become a yeoman farmer, make a good living year to year, and be beholden to no cunt.

This was also possible in other Anglo colonies, certainly in New Zealand, to some degree in Australia, until at least the 70s and 80s. It's gone now- the Sovereign Citizen movement gained a lot of oxygen from guys protesting being driven off their farms by banks in the 80s and 90s.

A political dissident in modern America is now in more danger of losing his shirt than a political dissident in socialist Sweden. If you're a pipe welder in Sweden, your boss had better have a good reason for firing you from your job- a better reason than that you have mean nasty views. An American doesn't enjoy that privilege.

New Zealand was on my list as a place to visit. Not any fucking more, now that they've revealed themselves as just waiting for an excuse to go full 1984. I'll take my fat greasy tourist burgerbux and drop them in some other country.

Go to North Korea, cleaner, more civilized, freer, better scenery.

Should China be provided with the details of online users criticising their regime?

They have more right to demand such information than NZOG does.

Driving through public traffic at such high velocities? He could have killed someone, what was he thinking?

You sound like someone who's driven in Christchurch before. I must admit, like you I have only very rarely been able to achieve a sustained speed over 40kph on the 4 aves while cruising in a Cefiro on a Friday night. It was an exhilarating couple of minutes.

 

[Troonos]

Unbelievable! It's like the sheep are in charge.

I mean, isn't it about time after all these years of kiwi sheep-shaggers sodomizing them?

 

[LocalFireDept]

That's the whole point! It's not your inalienable right to watch muslims getting murdered - or to watch anything at all for that matter.

Here's a taste of an inalienable right: fuck off exceptional individual.

 

[redonk]

Having seen 'The First Amendment applies only to the government'

I really hate to be the one doing this, but it does only apply to gov intervention, you can blame Null all you want for censoring thread 'Joshua Connor Moon', you can send death threats, bomb a schools or two, still Josh is a free corporation that will allow what he wants or not, sorry mate 1A!

 

[Mammal]

I really hate to be the one doing this, but it does only apply to gov intervention, you can blame Null all you want for censoring thread 'Joshua Connor Moon', you can send death threats, bomb a schools or two, still Josh is a free corporation that will allow what he wants or not, sorry mate 1A!

Yeah he’s pretty baste.

 

[2nd_time_user]

I really hate to be the one doing this, but it does only apply to gov intervention, you can blame Null all you want for censoring thread 'Joshua Connor Moon', you can send death threats, bomb a schools or two, still Josh is a free corporation that will allow what he wants or not, sorry mate 1A!

Sending death threats and bombing schools are not protected free speech. If there's evidence that he's done that, by all means just say it.

 

[Rabidcolombian]

For all their claims that Americans are ignorant, Commonwealth nations REALLY don't seem to understand the Bill of Rights.

All I know is I have more respect for the Founding Fathers than I ever did when I was younger, their beliefs are still topical in regards to the Commonwealth.

It really is bizarre...

I've had European penpal who just can't wrap their head around the right to bear arms, no matter how hard I try. It's like it's in their blood to always look at the state as their sitter and as an American, I just don't understand it. It's not a hard concept to get that power corrupts always, no matter what point in history we're in.

That firearms confiscated letter scared the absolute shit out of me but Europeans just shrug their shoulders and go meh.

 

[redonk]

Sending death threats and bombing schools are not protected free speech. If there's evidence that he's done that, by all means just say it.

I am not claiming any of that, just where the hell did 'Joshua Connor Moon' thread go? We were free speech absolutist Moon!!!

 

[Rabidcolombian]

Just popping in to say that us Australian shitposters have warned you about that sheep fucking shithole of a country who's claim to fame is having a bunch of little people climb up a mountain to litter at the top.

pls notice and quote me media senpai

You didn't have to warn us.

New Zealand is basically Australia's Canada. Both those countries go together as they do nothing but bitch and moan about their more handsome, successful older brothers who can actually get a date.

 

[GethN7]

It really is bizarre...

I've had European penpal who just can't wrap their head around the right to bear arms, no matter how hard I try. It's like it's in their blood to always look at the state as their sitter and as an American, I just don't understand it. It's not a hard concept to get that power corrupts always, no matter what point in history we're in.

That firearms confiscated letter scared the absolute shit out of me but Europeans just shrug their shoulders and go meh.

Keep in mind it's been natural to Europe for weapons to be restricted to certain parties since feudal times. Only nobles were allowed to be warriors and all that. All the modern era did was slightly liberalize things by making the group of people allowed the use of weapons slightly wider in most European countries and those with similar traditions, but at the end of the day what an American takes for granted as a right since our founding documents say we have guns as a right, for most Europeans it's a privledge because it's always been that for anyone who wasn't, by default, supposed to carry arms as a profession.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

Keep in mind it's been natural to Europe for weapons to be restricted to certain parties since feudal times. Only nobles were allowed to be warriors and all that. All the modern era did was slightly liberalize things by making the group of people allowed the use of weapons slightly wider in most European countries and those with similar traditions, but at the end of the day what an American takes for granted as a right since our founding documents say we have guns as a right, for most Europeans it's a privledge because it's always been that for anyone who wasn't, by default, supposed to carry arms as a profession.

Soon as Germany lost the first World War they had their guns taken away. It was an easy way to get the people to vote for their new party because they were afraid that their Russian enemies would invade and the British would allow it to happen. People don't seem to realize that the human race feels safe with a weapon. After all we have no natural weapons, unless tasting terrible to predators is a weapon.

 

[LocalFireDept]

I am not claiming any of that, just where the hell did 'Joshua Connor Moon' thread go? We were free speech absolutist Moon!!!

I can't understand your broken English. Did you make a dogshit thread about Null to make him out as a lolcow as some contrarian bullshit and are now whining your terrible thread got deleted is an infringement of "free speech"? If the answer is yes, please neck yourself.

 

[redonk]

I can't understand your broken English. Did you make a dogshit thread about Null to make him out as a lolcow as some contrarian bullshit and are now whining your terrible thread got deleted is an infringement of "free speech"? If the answer is yes, please neck yourself.

No you exceptional retardo, Josh can and will allow Josh thread when and if he wants, how is your first amendment raped now?

edit: so while being censored by KF ustase, let me say this: Fuck jannies, fuck @Null and fuck you, inb4 banned

 

[LocalFireDept]

No you exceptional retardo, Josh can and will allow Josh thread when and if he wants, how is your first amendment raped now?

Please get a grasp on the English language before posting again. The point you are trying to make is literally indecipherable.