2019-03-17 - New Zealand Police: "We would like to preserve any posts and technical data including IP addresses, email addresses etc"

[redonk]

Please get a grasp on the English language before posting again. The point you are trying to make is literally indecipherable.

Teach me, do you know Josh is the owner of the farm? Have you seen a thread called Joshua Connor Moon? Maybe because that is the name of our dear owner? Now go fuck yourself

 

[repentance]

Please get a grasp on the English language before posting again. The point you are trying to make is literally indecipherable.

It's like we've turned into Bitcointalk over the last week.

 

[Buzz Killington]

New Zealand is basically Australia's Canada. Both those countries go together as they do nothing but bitch and moan about their more handsome, successful older brothers who can actually get a date.

Comparing us to America in the sense that we have a Canada is an insult to America. We're just on a sliding level of cuckery depending on where you go.

 

[Крыса]

It really is bizarre...

I've had European penpal who just can't wrap their head around the right to bear arms, no matter how hard I try. It's like it's in their blood to always look at the state as their sitter and as an American, I just don't understand it. It's not a hard concept to get that power corrupts always, no matter what point in history we're in.

That firearms confiscated letter scared the absolute shit out of me but Europeans just shrug their shoulders and go meh.

Well Americans say that the 2A is necessary for the safety of their citizens and to keep the government in check, but from pretty much every other first world country's point of view it doesn't look like the US is a safer country and it certainly doesn't look like your government isn't doing whatever the fuck it wants or what Wall Street asks.

 

[Dr. Sexbot]

Well Americans say that the 2A is necessary for the safety of their citizens and to keep the government in check, but from pretty much every other first world country's point of view it doesn't look like the US is a safer country and it certainly doesn't look like your government isn't doing whatever the fuck it wants or what Wall Street asks.

Freedom or "safety" -- take your pick.

Edit: to elaborate, countries that manage to bar the majority of the population from owning guns sure seem to end up with plenty of violent crime to replace it, e.g. knife or acid attacks. Safety is an illusion, dangled by the news media like a carrot at the end of a long, slippery fuck-stick. "Give up your guns! Give up your rights! For great justice!"

 

[Крыса]

Freedom or "safety" -- take your pick.

So gun rights aren't about safety but about freedom ?

The first amendment I can fully understand and I think it's something valuable and very interesting, but I've yet to see a strong argument in favor of the second one for countries that have much less crime and hardly a worst government than the US, I just don't see the point. But maybe that's cultural indeed.

Edit: to elaborate, countries that manage to bar the majority of the population from owning guns sure seem to end up with plenty of violent crime to replace it, e.g. knife or acid attacks. Safety is an illusion, dangled by the news media like a carrot at the end of a long, slippery fuck-stick. "Give up your guns! Give up your rights! For great justice!"

You're nowhere near as likely to get killed anywhere in western Europe or any part of the civilized world than in the US. By criminals or cops who got nervous for no reason for that matter, which is ironic when you hear that you need the guns to protect yourself from the government.

 

[Liquid Cool]

Well Americans say that the 2A is necessary for the safety of their citizens and to keep the government in check, but from pretty much every other first world country's point of view it doesn't look like the US is a safer country and it certainly doesn't look like your government isn't doing whatever the fuck it wants or what Wall Street asks.

And from our point of view it looks it looks like other nations aren't truly free.

 

[redonk]

And from our point of view it looks it looks like other nations aren't truly free.

America 1000%

edit: while I'm being censored (fucking ukrainian ustase): Fuck jannies, fuck censors, drink up

 

[Star Stuff]

You're nowhere near as likely to get killed anywhere in western Europe or any part of the civilized world than in the US. By criminals or cops who got nervous for no reason for that matter, which is ironic when you hear that you need the guns to protect yourself from the government.

You people keep forgetting that the US stands for the United States. Our rates of safety and regulations can only be blanket stated at the federal level. Something that should have minimal control over the independent states and only used for what is considered truly horrible crimes (Hence felonies or whatnot in case a state decides to go hog-wild and legalizes CP or murder). With different gun regulations, laws, even cultures and communities (right down to accents), trying to say that America is safer or not than any other country is stupid. After all, what if my state's crime average is dragged up due to the motherfuckery going on in Detroit or The Earthly Representation of Hell (California)?

I will 100% agree that the Bronx (or maybe even the whole of NY) has higher chances of you being stabbed than any country in the EU, but there are multiple states that are far safer that I'd shack up in before I even consider heading over to that utter shit carnival of a continent.

 

[Rabidcolombian]

So gun rights aren't about safety but about freedom ?

The first amendment I can fully understand and I think it's something valuable and very interesting, but I've yet to see a strong argument in favor of the second one for countries that have much less crime and hardly a worst government than the US, I just don't see the point. But maybe that's cultural indeed.

You're nowhere near as likely to get killed anywhere in western Europe or any part of the civilized world than in the US. By criminals or cops who got nervous for no reason for that matter, which is ironic when you hear that you need the guns to protect yourself from the government.

That's big talk coming from a continent whose devolved into dictatorships countless times since America's been born. You Europeans have been around for thousands of years and for some reason you still can't get it right. Even if you're from Canada, New Zealand or Australia, you still have no excuse. The NZ police right freaking now are threatening it's citizens for watching a damn video. And those citizens cucked fucking fast simply because you value safety over freedom.

Not to mention, no, you don't understand it. The first amendment and second are interchangeable. We use our first to protect our second and our second if we ever need to protect our first. Why do you think they're the first damn two on the list?

 

[redonk]

Europeans have been around for thousands of years and for some reason you still can't get it right

Don't worry after 121th vote on not being part of europe we will finally get it, EU rules!!!

edit: fuck you censoring chief censors, fucking KF is free speech platform, fuck you Jannies and fuck you @Null

 

[thx1138]

Apparently talking about the video is enough to get you banned off ISPs. Soon, not even talking about the video will be required.

"He was already dead, he reflected. It seemed to him that it was only now, when he had begun to be able to formulate his thoughts, that he had taken the decisive step. The consequences of every act are included in the act itself. He wrote:

'Thoughtcrime does not entail death: thoughtcrime IS death.'"

 

[Крыса]

To clarify, I don't care about the law in the US, I don't live there, they can do whatever the hell they want it's their country. What I said whas that I've yet to see a good argument why the rest of the world should get more guns.

And from our point of view it looks it looks like other nations aren't truly free.

No one's truly free. I could legally buy beer when I was 15 and drink it on the patch of grass outside my high school.

That's big talk coming from a continent whose devolved into dictatorships countless times since America's been born. You Europeans have been around for thousands of years and for some reason you still can't get it right. Even if you're from Canada, New Zealand or Australia, you still have no excuse. The NZ police right freaking now are threatening it's citizens for watching a damn video. And those citizens cucked fucking fast simply because you value safety over freedom.

Not to mention, no, you don't understand it. The first amendment and second are interchangeable. We use our first to protect our second and our second if we ever need to protect our first. Why do you think they're the first damn two on the list?

Can you give me an example of a situation where the second amendment was used to protect the first ? Genuinely asking I'm not well versed in US history.

And I don't think what they're doing in NZ with the video is right.

 

[thx1138]

That's big talk coming from a continent whose devolved into dictatorships countless times since America's been born. You Europeans have been around for thousands of years and for some reason you still can't get it right. Even if you're from Canada, New Zealand or Australia, you still have no excuse. The NZ police right freaking now are threatening it's citizens for watching a damn video. And those citizens cucked fucking fast simply because you value safety over freedom.

Not to mention, no, you don't understand it. The first amendment and second are interchangeable. We use our first to protect our second and our second if we ever need to protect our first. Why do you think they're the first damn two on the list?

Europeans are, and have been for around 1700 years, subjects. Not citizens. They look in gape-mouthed wonderment at US citizens and fail to understand the basic difference between the two. Not just an ontological difference. Not just a philosophical difference, but an individual human difference at the gestalt level. I will leave it to PJ O'rourke to clarify:

“I was having dinner…in London…when eventually he got, as the Europeans always do, to the part about “Your country’s never been invaded.” And so I said, “Let me tell you who those bad guys are. They’re us. WE BE BAD. We’re the baddest-assed sons of bitches that ever jogged in Reeboks. We’re three-quarters grizzly bear and two-thirds car wreck and descended from a stock market crash on our mother’s side. You take your Germany, France, and Spain, roll them all together and it wouldn’t give us room to park our cars. We’re the big boys, Jack, the original, giant, economy-sized, new and improved butt kickers of all time. When we snort coke in Houston, people lose their hats in Cap d’Antibes. And we’ve got an American Express card credit limit higher than your piss-ant metric numbers go. You say our country’s never been invaded? You’re right, little buddy. Because I’d like to see the needle-dicked foreigners who’d have the guts to try. We drink napalm to get our hearts started in the morning. A rape and a mugging is our way of saying 'Cheerio.' Hell can’t hold our sock-hops.
We walk taller, talk louder, spit further, fuck longer and buy more things than you know the names of. I’d rather be a junkie in a New York City jail than king, queen, and jack of all Europeans. We eat little countries like this for breakfast and shit them out before lunch.”

Can you give me an example of a situation where the second amendment was used to protect the first ? Genuinely asking I'm not well versed in US history.

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[Star Stuff]

To clarify, I don't care about the law in the US, I don't live there, they can do whatever the hell they want it's their country. What I said whas that I've yet to see a good argument why the rest of the world should get more guns.

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."
-Robert A. Heinlein

Your call whether or not you wanna believe that. There's no use in really arguing a point when someone's made up their mind on what their belief is gonna be. I'm just happy I'm not in your shoes.

No one's truly free. I could buy legally beer when I was 15 and drink it on the patch of grass outside my high school.

You're so cool, dude. I assume you want to look cool since bringing this up is an irrelevant point.

Can you give me an example of a situation where the second amendment was used to protect the first ? Genuinely asking I'm not well versed in US history.

The Second Amendment is a deterrent to offending the First. If the government attempts to violate it, then the people will arm themselves and fight. No matter who wins, it'll be an awful sight that the government isn't eager to see. If nobody was armed, nobody would be able to contest the suppression of the First.

 

[LocalFireDept]

Can you give me an example of a situation where the second amendment was used to protect the first ? Genuinely asking I'm not well versed in US history.

When we kicked the Europeans out of our newborn nation so hard that they had to recognize that the United States of America was a sovereign nation that would protect the natural rights of it's people, if we're talking about the principle of the whole thing.

 

[Dr. Sexbot]

To clarify, I don't care about the law in the US, I don't live there, they can do whatever the hell they want it's their country. What I said whas that I've yet to see a good argument why the rest of the world should get more guns.

No, you said that guns don't appear to make America safe. I don't know if that counts as shifting the goalposts or shitposting the goals.

 

[Крыса]

The Second Amendment is a deterrent to offending the First. If the government attempts to violate it, then the people will arm themselves and fight. No matter who wins, it'll be an awful sight that the government isn't eager to see. If nobody was armed, nobody would be able to contest the suppression of the First.

I get that. People will defend themselves against the government if it violates their rights. But can you give an example of that happening ? Or did the US government never violate the right of the US people ?

When we kicked the Europeans out of our newborn nation so hard that they had to recognize that the United States of America was a sovereign nation that would protect the natural rights of it's people, if we're talking about the principle of the whole thing.

So the second amendment was already useful before it even existed.

No, you said that guns don't appear to make America safe. I don't know if that counts as shifting the goalposts or shitposting the goals.

No, they sure as hell don't appear to. But again if that's what the American people want who the fuck am I to say they should do otherwise, I don't live there.

 

[Dr. Sexbot]

Logical fallacy-filled attempt at derailing the thread

Can we get back to discussing Shithole Countries?

No, they sure as hell don't appear to. But again if that's what the American people want who the fuck am I to say they should do otherwise, I don't live there.

I'm guessing Crimea or South Ossetia?

 

[2nd_time_user]

During the run-up to the Iraq war after 9/11, US ISPs with or without the blessing of the government blocked Arabic news sites, pretty sure Al-arabiya was among them at the time. That was before the Patriot Act, even. People would get on London-bound flights and be amazed at the copies of British newspapers calling out GWB for being a crusading asshole and, especially, calling out the pro-Israeli stance/people who had a lot to do with it.

So, since then, the US government has appeared to take a back seat while letting Silicon Valley drive. The government shuts down most TV towers because cable, DVD recorders no longer work but you get HD, what you really need is Alexa or really Google Home. RIAA puts up with extensions that let people download songs off YT or off the regular Internet while making sure they see lots and lots of ads. Tor, torrents /bitcoin become entrenched as something only drug dealers/CP/terrorists would use. If you got kicked off Twitter/FB/Reddit/WordPress etc., you must be one of those marginal people society should avoid. Because, let's let Silicon Valley drive, because it'll do so on behalf of the establishment, and it'll keep our "safe spaces" safe.

Now, SV is thinking that because they were too "lenient" w/social media that resulted in people electing Trump when in fact a lot of that was Americans being fed up with being told what to think. A public that is increasingly reliant on their platforms.