EU Le Gilets Jaune protests thread - Do you hear the people sing? Singing the songs of angry men?

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One protester has died and dozens were injured as almost a quarter of a million people took to the streets of France, angry at rising fuel prices.

The female protester who died was struck after a driver surrounded by demonstrators panicked and accelerated.

The "yellow vests", so-called after the high-visibility jackets they are required to carry in their cars, blocked motorways and roundabouts.

They accuse President Emmanuel Macron of abandoning "the little people".

Mr Macron has not so far commented on the protests, some of which have seen demonstrators call for him to resign.

But he admitted earlier in the week that he had not "really managed to reconcile the French people with their leaders".

Nonetheless, he accused his political opponents of hijacking the movement in order to block his reform programme.

What has happened so far?
Some 244,000 people took part in protests across France, the interior ministry said in its latest update.

It said 106 people were injured during the day, five seriously, with 52 people arrested.

Most of the protests have been taking place without incident although several of the injuries came when drivers tried to force their way through protesters.

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Image captionA driver forces a car through a group of protesters in Donges, western France
Chantal Mazet, 63, was killed in the south-eastern Savoy region when a driver who was taking her daughter to hospital panicked at being blocked by about 50 demonstrators, who were striking the roof of her vehicle, and drove into them.

The driver has been taken into police custody in a state of shock.

In Paris protesters approaching the Élysée Palace, the president's official residence, were repelled with tear gas.

Why are drivers on the warpath?
The price of diesel, the most commonly used fuel in French cars, has risen by around 23% over the past 12 months to an average of €1.51 (£1.32; $1.71) per litre, its highest point since the early 2000s, AFP news agency reports.

World oil prices did rise before falling back again but the Macron government raised its hydrocarbon tax this year by 7.6 cents per litre on diesel and 3.9 cents on petrol, as part of a campaign for cleaner cars and fuel.

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Image captionTear gas was used to disperse protesters in Paris
The decision to impose a further increase of 6.5 cents on diesel and 2.9 cents on petrol on 1 January 2019 was seen as the final straw.

Speaking on Wednesday, the president blamed world oil prices for three-quarters of the price rise. He also said more tax on fossil fuels was needed to fund renewable energy investments.

How big is the movement?
It has broad support. Nearly three-quarters of respondents to a poll by the Elabe institute backed the Yellow Vests and 70% wanted the government to reverse the fuel tax hikes.

More than half of French people who voted for Mr Macron support the protests, Elabe's Vincent Thibault told AFP.

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Image captionPolice attend as protesters block a motorway in Antibes
"The expectations and discontent over spending power are fairly broad, it's not just something that concerns rural France or the lower classes," he said.

The BBC's Lucy Williamson in Paris says the movement has grown via social media into a broad and public criticism of Mr Macron's economic policies.

Are opposition politicians involved?
They have certainly tried to tap into it. Far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who was defeated by Mr Macron in the second round of the presidential election, has been encouraging it on Twitter.

She said: "The government shouldn't be afraid of French people who come to express their revolt and do it in a peaceful fashion."

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Laurent Wauquiez, leader of the centre-right Republicans, called on the Macron government to scrap the next planned increase in carbon tax on fossil fuels in January to offset rising vehicle fuel prices.

Mr Castaner has described Saturday's action as a "political protest with the Republicans behind it".

Olivier Faure, leader of the left-wing Socialist Party said the movement - which has no single leader and is not linked to any trade union - had been "born outside political parties".

"People want politicians to listen to them and respond. Their demand is to have purchasing power and financial justice," he said.

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Is there any room for compromise?
On Wednesday, the government announced action to help poor families pay their energy and transport bills.

Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announced that 5.6 million households would receive energy subsidies. Currently 3.6 million receive them.

A state scrappage bonus on polluting vehicles would also be doubled for France's poorest families, he said, and fuel tax credits would be brought in for people who depend on their cars for work.

Protesters have mocked the president relentlessly as "Micron" or "Macaron" (Macaroon) or simply Manu, the short form of Emmanuel, which he famously scolded a student for using.

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To be honest, I don't blame the driver at all.
 
How did this cost €12m? Wasn't it just a glorified survey? What are your overheads!?

Somehow it always surprises me that people think that sums like this are nothing but pocket money in the games of the kings. I would rather say that it's surprising it didn't cost more.
 
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Somehow it always surprises me that people think that sums like this are nothing but pocket money in the games of the kings. I would rather say that it's surprising it didn't cost more.
Also gotta keep in mind that the woman who was supposed to oversee this "Great Debate" (appointed by the government of course) caught the heat at the very beggining because her salary was more than 10k euros/months, which is outrageaous given what was to be discussed. In those circles money just goes everywhere very fast, but never downwards.
 
Also gotta keep in mind that the woman who was supposed to oversee this "Great Debate" (appointed by the government of course) caught the heat at the very beggining because her salary was more than 10k euros/months, which is outrageaous given what was to be discussed. In those circles money just goes everywhere very fast, but never downwards.

This is endemic to all European(and probably all other too) bureucracy. At least where I live it's common knowledge that these kinds of positions are awarded to faithful servants of the parties currently in power, regardless of any real merit or what the job entails. If you want to be set for life, just bend over and take it up the ass for several decades and after you've furthered enough interests, you're given a cozy bureucratic job with 10K+/month salary, no accountability and next-to-no possibility of ever getting fired. And if your position happens to be terminated for whatever reason, these people always get a new one, usually with better benefits and bigger salary, within the machinery of the state.

One infamous example from another European country comes to mind. Now, if you start to think what might be the best salaried job you can hold in the public sector in this country I'm speaking about(very modern, affluent and well-off western european one), you might think that it's something like the leading officer of military, or prime minister, or perhaps the head of the central bank of the nation. You would be wrong. It's the head of the National Horse Academy, who gets a modest 23K a month for running a school that teaches...riding.
 
Children got gased while they were in a fair at Nantes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dcnistpDSg

https://archive.fo/B5XwZ
This is a really good compilation that was linked in the video you posted. There is no way this shit isn't making weekly international front page headlines without things being corrupt....

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Just watching a bunch of protesting. Lol. At 2:36 in this video, there is a GJ Chien!

Also, at 1:20 in this one, there are some undercovers making an arrest:
 
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To be fair, you should not bring kids to a protest that may become a riot, and if you get caught up in one you should get them out asap. To be even more fair, as @Corbin Dallas Multipass indicated, if they were brown this would be an outrage.
They were not in the protest. They were in a fair having fun.

EDIT: oh and no, them being brown doesn't change shit. A 14 yo syrian got his eye blasted of by a LBD saturday. And he wasn't even in the protest. I don't think I've seen that big of an outrage about it.
 
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We, Yellow Vests, formed in assemblies of our Local Assemblies, gathered at Saint-Nazaire on April 5th, 6th and 7th, 2019, address the people as a whole.
Following the 1st assembly of Commercy, about 200 delegations present continue their fight against liberal extremism policies for Freedom, Equality and Fraternity!
Despite the repressive escalation of the government, the accumulation of laws that aggravate for all living conditions, which destroy rights and freedoms; the mobilization is rooted to change the system embodied by Macron!
As the only answer to the converging aspirations of yellow vests and other struggles, the government panics and opposes an authoritarian drift.
For 5 months, everywhere in France, on the roundabouts, car parks, squares, tolls, in the demonstrations, in our assemblies: we continue to debate, to fight against all the forms of inequalities, injustice, discrimination, and for solidarity and dignity.
Sunday 07/04/2019, Saint-Nazaire.
We claim:
- the general increase in wages, pensions and social minima;
- public services for all.
Our solidarity and our struggles are especially for the 9 million people living below the poverty line.
Aware of the environmental emergency, we say "End of the world, end of the month, same logic, same fight! "
In the face of the charade of the great debate, in the face of an unrepresentative government and the service of a privileged minority, we are setting up new forms of direct democracy.
In concrete terms, we recognize that the Assembly of Assemblies can receive proposals from local assemblies and issue guidelines (such as the call of the first Assembly of the Assemblies of Commercy). These guidelines are then systematically submitted to local groups.
The Assembly of Assemblies reaffirms its independence from political parties and trade unions, and does not recognize any self-proclaimed leader.
During 3 days, in plenary assembly and by thematic groups, we all debated and elaborated proposals on our demands, actions, means of communication and coordination.
We are in the long term and decide to organize a next assembly meeting in June.
In order to strengthen the balance of power, to put all citizens in order of battle against this system, the Assembly of assemblies calls for actions whose schedule will be released soon via a digital platform dedicated and secure.
The Assembly of Assemblies calls for expanding and strengthening sovereign local assemblies and creating new ones.
We call on all Yellow Vests to spread this call and the conclusions of our Assembly.
The results of the plenary work are made available to the local assemblies to feed the actions and reflections of the assemblies.
We make several calls: on the Europeans, the citizens' and local popular assemblies, against the repression and for the cancellation of the sentences of the prisoners and condemned of the movement.
It seems necessary to take a time of 3 weeks to mobilize all the yellow vests and convince those who are not yet!
We are calling for a Yellow Action Week starting May 1st.
We invite all those who want to end the grabbing of the Living to assume a conflictuality with the current system, to create together, by all means necessary a new social movement popular ecological.
The multiplication of current struggles calls us to seek unity of action.
We call on all levels of the territory to fight collectively to achieve the satisfaction of our social, fiscal, ecological and democratic demands.
Aware that we have to fight against a global system, we consider that it will be necessary to leave capitalism.
Thus we will collectively build this famous "all and all together" that we are chanting and that makes everything possible: we build all and all together, at all levels of the territory.
The power of the people, by the people, for the people. Do not look at us, join us!
The Assembly of Assemblies of Yellow Vests.

A Fuel Tax caused Kaiserreich's Commune of France, who would've thought it.
 
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Tl;dr the aristocracy is oppressing us, we won't pay our taxes, give us free shit, our new grand peoples Congress will burn this motherfucker down if we dont get what we want, stop asking us what we specifically want we dont know either.

Never change France.
 
Tl;dr the aristocracy is oppressing us, we won't pay our taxes, give us free shit, our new grand peoples Congress will burn this motherfucker down if we dont get what we want, stop asking us what we specifically want we dont know either.

Never change France.
Popular uprisings tend to be rather disorganized, unlike pretend popular uprisings that have professionally done up web pages with clear mission statements.

I don't even know what to say about the occupy wall street idiots. They combined the worst of both worlds. Clearly backed by outside forces, still couldn't be bothered to say what exactly it was they wanted.
 
Tl;dr the aristocracy is oppressing us, we won't pay our taxes, give us free shit, our new grand peoples Congress will burn this motherfucker down if we dont get what we want, stop asking us what we specifically want we dont know either.

Never change France.


I'm not 100% on top of what exactly going on in France, actually I learned a whole shitload more from this thread alone from any media or other forums.

In US, I see similar bullshit happening, and I can explain why it's happening. I am not sure if this translates on what's going on in France. In US, it sounds like we got very similar "public servants" leaving it up at the expense of taxpayers, producing absolutely nothing of value, essentially leaching the crap out of the society. I'd imagine if economy would be worse, we'd see the same YW, and in some ways we kind of did with "deplorables." Our elites are out of fucking touch and many people have had it plenty.

As to what to do, I don't think that there is an easy answer. The problem with these leaches that add no value and bleed economy dry, they are too entranched and integrated with the host. Schools suck a shitload of money but produce poor education standards. The low rank teachers are paid little. The top tier of the school hierarchy gets paid on par with fucking private execs. When school budgets are cut, it's usually the lower tier teachers that let go. Add to this that very large percentage of Americans work for the goverment, and you got a real dilemma that's not easy to solve.

In a nutshell, yes, US situation may not be all that different from France, except it's not at the boiling point yet.
 
I'm not 100% on top of what exactly going on in France, actually I learned a whole shitload more from this thread alone from any media or other forums.

In US, I see similar bullshit happening, and I can explain why it's happening. I am not sure if this translates on what's going on in France. In US, it sounds like we got very similar "public servants" leaving it up at the expense of taxpayers, producing absolutely nothing of value, essentially leaching the crap out of the society. I'd imagine if economy would be worse, we'd see the same YW, and in some ways we kind of did with "deplorables." Our elites are out of fucking touch and many people have had it plenty.

As to what to do, I don't think that there is an easy answer. The problem with these leaches that add no value and bleed economy dry, they are too entranched and integrated with the host. Schools suck a shitload of money but produce poor education standards. The low rank teachers are paid little. The top tier of the school hierarchy gets paid on par with fucking private execs. When school budgets are cut, it's usually the lower tier teachers that let go. Add to this that very large percentage of Americans work for the goverment, and you got a real dilemma that's not easy to solve.

In a nutshell, yes, US situation may not be all that different from France, except it's not at the boiling point yet.

You're pretty much right, but on top of all that, our government is just selling away the public services to foreign companies, letting our farmers slowly die off (they are 3 years late on the premiums they promised, causing a lot of people producing our food having nothing to eat and leading them to off themselves), 6 milion of jobless people, almost 1 milion homeless, 9 milions living under the poverty line. AND they are starting to sell farming land to China also.
But we the country of human rights, yo!
 
https://twitter.com/NewsCompact/status/1116815951146647552 (http://archive.vn/RFg5G)
https://twitter.com/Gerrrty/status/1116989449982713857 (http://archive.fo/n93rJ)
https://twitter.com/CharlesBaudry/status/1117031696749203456 (http://archive.vn/lItpN)

Paris has the usual large procession small amount of tired protestors from the movement that ran out of steam weeks ago no seriously this time we mean it:
I'm sure the teargas isn't far behind.

Nice crowds in Toulouse:

I mention Toulouse because it's fairly very spicy there today; getting rowdier by the minute by the looks of things:

We are anonymoose. Except us:

Lots of bikes and leather:

Not quite sure if this qualifies as Deus Vult:
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Jackboots being jackboots:
 
The reason this movement is special is because it's provincial and opposes the structure of the French Republic(s) which have been resolutely committed to centralization based on Paris.

In the ancien regime, the various provinces of France enjoyed great autonomy. Local languages enjoyed equal status with "court" French, courts and laws were ran regionally instead of answering to Paris and the economy was much more decentralized. The cities enjoyed even greater privileges, where the citizens were represented through their industries in city councils. These councils were typically made up of representatives from the different guilds inside the city as well the local church. Instead of the later republican assemblies, based on representative "democracy" aka the rule of moneyed privilege, these assemblies were much more local and technocratic. A citizen could not be represented at the highest levels of power, reserved to the King, but was able to have a lot more impact locally. There are tons of examples, for example new eminent domain laws, which after the Revolution and until the late 19th century gave the Republic the right to bulldoze whatever the heck they wanted, but I think one example here stands up and above.

Before the revolution, France had little to no centralized police force, instead city guards were ran, funded and operated by the city council. In Paris, these city guards had the duty of policing food markets and the sale of wheat specifically. If a seller was found to be price gouging his wheat, the guards were there to arrest them. However after the revolution, police forces were centralized into one Republic-wide command and received new orders. As newly appointed protectors of "Life and Property" they were now in charge of breaking up people protesting against price gouging, the opposite of what their mission was before.

After the 31 May 1793 coup, where the sans-cullotes took over the assemblies, the Girondins, representatives of provincial interests and a federalized state, were sidelined. The Jacobins considered the "province" to be dirty unwashed catholic peasants and started the rapid and unabashed concentration of power, population and economic activity on Paris. Throughout the 1st, 3rd, 4th and 5th Republic, this mentality has perpetuated itself. France became increasingly centralized, under Napoleon local prefets and other departmental leaders complained that the only power they had left was the ability to wear their tricoloured ribbon. The liberal 3rd Republic with Jules Ferry at its head made it their mission to eradicate the local languages and cultures of France with a passion that would make Fascists like Mussolini who wanted to form their nation to be one instead of different groups drool. During world war 1, fuckups of the French army were regularly blamed on southern "provincial" regiments and royalist officers that supposedly lacked the strong Republican convictions and couldn't handle taking 20 German bullets to the torso like real Citoyens would.

This long process has had 3 big consequences for France:

1. The nation has been lagging behind economically and demographically behind it's eastern neighbors partly because of the Republican/Liberal/Parisian obsession with the concentration of power in Paris. This has lead to capital and population choking the city, while leaving the rest of the country barren. Only under Mitterand and later Chirac, did serious attempts at regionalisation happen for the first time.

2. Because of said concentration, the ENA and all other relevant organisations forming France's elite essentially live in their own Parisian bubble, leading them to consider the provincials as barely human, and stalling any hopes for internal reform. See McRon referring to the GJ as a "Jacquerie" aka medieval peasant uprising. Really tells it all about how these people see their country.

3. Parisian capital controlling the country. A gulf between the CAC 40 companies based out of Ile-de-France and the farmers of the Pyrenees exists, that you might as well consider them revolutionary-useful National Bourgeoisie.

All of this bring us back to the GJ. The roots of the movement are provincial by nature and they represent, in my opinion, a violent explosion of a Girondin consciousness, that has long been fermenting in France. A lot of presidents knew how to keep it under control, most notably Jacques Chirac who was both genuinely interested in equalizing economic growth over France as well as being adept at cosplaying as a rural farmer.

McRon however is openly spiteful of the provincials. His "start up nation" program basically being an open declaration of war on the countryside. It's no wonder this rural consciousness, repressed for hundreds of years would explode under him.

While the GJ are a resolutely modern movement, their roots are in the local democracies and federalism of the ancien regime rather than the centralized bourgeois democracy of the Jacobin revolution.

Bikers blocking the road in Lyon:
https://twitter.com/GiletsJaunesGo/status/1117003015607787521

Periscope live stream:
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1yoKMENgbWjKQ?q=#Acte22

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1yNGavoEAQNJj?q=#Acte22

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1MnGnvBbVgEGO?q=#Acte22

Ruptly is up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Spq0ULFUQaQ
 
Impromptu game of Capture the Flag:

 
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The reason this movement is special is because it's provincial and opposes the structure of the French Republic(s) which have been resolutely committed to centralization based on Paris.

In the ancien regime, the various provinces of France enjoyed great autonomy. Local languages enjoyed equal status with "court" French, courts and laws were ran regionally instead of answering to Paris and the economy was much more decentralized. The cities enjoyed even greater privileges, where the citizens were represented through their industries in city councils. These councils were typically made up of representatives from the different guilds inside the city as well the local church. Instead of the later republican assemblies, based on representative "democracy" aka the rule of moneyed privilege, these assemblies were much more local and technocratic. A citizen could not be represented at the highest levels of power, reserved to the King, but was able to have a lot more impact locally. There are tons of examples, for example new eminent domain laws, which after the Revolution and until the late 19th century gave the Republic the right to bulldoze whatever the heck they wanted, but I think one example here stands up and above.

Before the revolution, France had little to no centralized police force, instead city guards were ran, funded and operated by the city council. In Paris, these city guards had the duty of policing food markets and the sale of wheat specifically. If a seller was found to be price gouging his wheat, the guards were there to arrest them. However after the revolution, police forces were centralized into one Republic-wide command and received new orders. As newly appointed protectors of "Life and Property" they were now in charge of breaking up people protesting against price gouging, the opposite of what their mission was before.

After the 31 May 1793 coup, where the sans-cullotes took over the assemblies, the Girondins, representatives of provincial interests and a federalized state, were sidelined. The Jacobins considered the "province" to be dirty unwashed catholic peasants and started the rapid and unabashed concentration of power, population and economic activity on Paris. Throughout the 1st, 3rd, 4th and 5th Republic, this mentality has perpetuated itself. France became increasingly centralized, under Napoleon local prefets and other departmental leaders complained that the only power they had left was the ability to wear their tricoloured ribbon. The liberal 3rd Republic with Jules Ferry at its head made it their mission to eradicate the local languages and cultures of France with a passion that would make Fascists like Mussolini who wanted to form their nation to be one instead of different groups drool. During world war 1, fuckups of the French army were regularly blamed on southern "provincial" regiments and royalist officers that supposedly lacked the strong Republican convictions and couldn't handle taking 20 German bullets to the torso like real Citoyens would.

This long process has had 3 big consequences for France:

1. The nation has been lagging behind economically and demographically behind it's eastern neighbors partly because of the Republican/Liberal/Parisian obsession with the concentration of power in Paris. This has lead to capital and population choking the city, while leaving the rest of the country barren. Only under Mitterand and later Chirac, did serious attempts at regionalisation happen for the first time.

2. Because of said concentration, the ENA and all other relevant organisations forming France's elite essentially live in their own Parisian bubble, leading them to consider the provincials as barely human, and stalling any hopes for internal reform. See McRon referring to the GJ as a "Jacquerie" aka medieval peasant uprising. Really tells it all about how these people see their country.

3. Parisian capital controlling the country. A gulf between the CAC 40 companies based out of Ile-de-France and the farmers of the Pyrenees exists, that you might as well consider them revolutionary-useful National Bourgeoisie.

All of this bring us back to the GJ. The roots of the movement are provincial by nature and they represent, in my opinion, a violent explosion of a Girondin consciousness, that has long been fermenting in France. A lot of presidents knew how to keep it under control, most notably Jacques Chirac who was both genuinely interested in equalizing economic growth over France as well as being adept at cosplaying as a rural farmer.

McRon however is openly spiteful of the provincials. His "start up nation" program basically being an open declaration of war on the countryside. It's no wonder this rural consciousness, repressed for hundreds of years would explode under him.

While the GJ are a resolutely modern movement, their roots are in the local democracies and federalism of the ancien regime rather than the centralized bourgeois democracy of the Jacobin revolution.

Bikers blocking the road in Lyon:
https://twitter.com/GiletsJaunesGo/status/1117003015607787521

Periscope live stream:
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1yoKMENgbWjKQ?q=#Acte22

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1yNGavoEAQNJj?q=#Acte22

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1MnGnvBbVgEGO?q=#Acte22

Ruptly is up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Spq0ULFUQaQ
Damn I never thought about it like that, looks like I still have some work to do to get rid of the conditioning completely.
 
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This is a really good compilation that was linked in the video you posted. There is no way this shit isn't making weekly international front page headlines without things being corrupt....

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Just watching a bunch of protesting. Lol. At 2:36 in this video, there is a GJ Chien!

Also, at 1:20 in this one, there are some undercovers making an arrest:

You know the situation is bad when you see rioters charging at the police. Between this, the terrorist attacks and Notre Dame's fire surely hasn't been a good period for France.
What I wonder is who the other choices after Macron leaves are and if they're at competent enough to unfuck this situation
 
You know the situation is bad when you see rioters charging at the police. Between this, the terrorist attacks and Notre Dame's fire surely hasn't been a good period for France.
What I wonder is who the other choices after Macron leaves are and if they're at competent enough to unfuck this situation
A cup of water with a little beret and moustache taped on is looking like their best bet at this point
 
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