EU Le Gilets Jaune protests thread - Do you hear the people sing? Singing the songs of angry men?

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One protester has died and dozens were injured as almost a quarter of a million people took to the streets of France, angry at rising fuel prices.

The female protester who died was struck after a driver surrounded by demonstrators panicked and accelerated.

The "yellow vests", so-called after the high-visibility jackets they are required to carry in their cars, blocked motorways and roundabouts.

They accuse President Emmanuel Macron of abandoning "the little people".

Mr Macron has not so far commented on the protests, some of which have seen demonstrators call for him to resign.

But he admitted earlier in the week that he had not "really managed to reconcile the French people with their leaders".

Nonetheless, he accused his political opponents of hijacking the movement in order to block his reform programme.

What has happened so far?
Some 244,000 people took part in protests across France, the interior ministry said in its latest update.

It said 106 people were injured during the day, five seriously, with 52 people arrested.

Most of the protests have been taking place without incident although several of the injuries came when drivers tried to force their way through protesters.

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Image captionA driver forces a car through a group of protesters in Donges, western France
Chantal Mazet, 63, was killed in the south-eastern Savoy region when a driver who was taking her daughter to hospital panicked at being blocked by about 50 demonstrators, who were striking the roof of her vehicle, and drove into them.

The driver has been taken into police custody in a state of shock.

In Paris protesters approaching the Élysée Palace, the president's official residence, were repelled with tear gas.

Why are drivers on the warpath?
The price of diesel, the most commonly used fuel in French cars, has risen by around 23% over the past 12 months to an average of €1.51 (£1.32; $1.71) per litre, its highest point since the early 2000s, AFP news agency reports.

World oil prices did rise before falling back again but the Macron government raised its hydrocarbon tax this year by 7.6 cents per litre on diesel and 3.9 cents on petrol, as part of a campaign for cleaner cars and fuel.

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Image captionTear gas was used to disperse protesters in Paris
The decision to impose a further increase of 6.5 cents on diesel and 2.9 cents on petrol on 1 January 2019 was seen as the final straw.

Speaking on Wednesday, the president blamed world oil prices for three-quarters of the price rise. He also said more tax on fossil fuels was needed to fund renewable energy investments.

How big is the movement?
It has broad support. Nearly three-quarters of respondents to a poll by the Elabe institute backed the Yellow Vests and 70% wanted the government to reverse the fuel tax hikes.

More than half of French people who voted for Mr Macron support the protests, Elabe's Vincent Thibault told AFP.

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Image captionPolice attend as protesters block a motorway in Antibes
"The expectations and discontent over spending power are fairly broad, it's not just something that concerns rural France or the lower classes," he said.

The BBC's Lucy Williamson in Paris says the movement has grown via social media into a broad and public criticism of Mr Macron's economic policies.

Are opposition politicians involved?
They have certainly tried to tap into it. Far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who was defeated by Mr Macron in the second round of the presidential election, has been encouraging it on Twitter.

She said: "The government shouldn't be afraid of French people who come to express their revolt and do it in a peaceful fashion."

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Laurent Wauquiez, leader of the centre-right Republicans, called on the Macron government to scrap the next planned increase in carbon tax on fossil fuels in January to offset rising vehicle fuel prices.

Mr Castaner has described Saturday's action as a "political protest with the Republicans behind it".

Olivier Faure, leader of the left-wing Socialist Party said the movement - which has no single leader and is not linked to any trade union - had been "born outside political parties".

"People want politicians to listen to them and respond. Their demand is to have purchasing power and financial justice," he said.

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Is there any room for compromise?
On Wednesday, the government announced action to help poor families pay their energy and transport bills.

Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announced that 5.6 million households would receive energy subsidies. Currently 3.6 million receive them.

A state scrappage bonus on polluting vehicles would also be doubled for France's poorest families, he said, and fuel tax credits would be brought in for people who depend on their cars for work.

Protesters have mocked the president relentlessly as "Micron" or "Macaron" (Macaroon) or simply Manu, the short form of Emmanuel, which he famously scolded a student for using.

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To be honest, I don't blame the driver at all.
 
The French cops finally open up on the protesters, so the YV start arming themselves and civil conflict starts. Which bogs down everything instead of Macron winning immediately. So he runs to Mama Merkel and cries for help. She sends the German armed forces.
The only Parts of the German Army that are ready for any kind of battle would just start fireing on brown people. KSK and Parastroopers have a Nazi "Problem", and the other units dont have the will or material to go to war. the Bundeswehr is in a terrible state.
 
every weekend i visit this thread I'm more and more shock countries haven't intervened to benefit. there are pros and cons to supporting either side.

supporting the people and instating a new government ensures good boy points with the new government.

supporting the government there keeps the status quo (though expect piss in your cheese) and keeps existing treaties and what the fuck ever in effect.
 
every weekend i visit this thread I'm more and more shock countries haven't intervened to benefit. there are pros and cons to supporting either side.

supporting the people and instating a new government ensures good boy points with the new government.

supporting the government there keeps the status quo (though expect piss in your cheese) and keeps existing treaties and what the fuck ever in effect.
It's kind of a tricky situation, though, and any involvement could work counter to intent. As an example, if Trump supported th GJ, it would absolutely undermine them, and possibly break them apart. Same sort of thing if Merkel got heavy-handed supporting Macron, it would enflame the anti-Macron sentiment. I can really only see Italians and Catalans getting involved without some sort of unintended backlash.
 
I've been wondering what would happen if shots start being fired.
The French cops finally open up on the protesters, so the YV start arming themselves and civil conflict starts. Which bogs down everything instead of Macron winning immediately. So he runs to Mama Merkel and cries for help. She sends the German armed forces.

But the French military don't like the idea of having another country just waltzing right in with tanks and soldiers and fight back.
The EU ends with a military coup causing a new French government to be formed. Which leaves the EU as its first action. Everyone else then just exits as being in the EU didn't stop one country from invading another. It didn't stop two despots oppressing the common people.

But in all seriousness, something has to give at some point. It's been what, 5 months of protests now? That's crazy.
Sooner or later, the YV have to storm parliament so a new government is formed. Or Macron utterly crushes them and it ends there.
Neither side seems to want to relent so what happens next is anyone's guess.


Like I have said before, it's complete idiocy to think that this would escalate to civil war. French civilians have no guns, no coherent movement and no real motivation to really revolt. It's one thing to riot and another to go to war, and the latter isn't happening.
 
Well we have to pretend liberal societies care about the population's rights, at least for a little longer, so no interfering in protests until we've adequately fabricated a narrative that they're all russian alt-right nazis or something.
 
every weekend i visit this thread I'm more and more shock countries haven't intervened to benefit. there are pros and cons to supporting either side.

supporting the people and instating a new government ensures good boy points with the new government.

supporting the government there keeps the status quo (though expect piss in your cheese) and keeps existing treaties and what the fuck ever in effect.
Unless we're talking about a 5th rate random hellhole like Venezuela or Syria it's generally a big diplomatic mistake to get officially involved with the politics of another country
 
there will be no outside intervention as long as the french military exists. they have the second largest army on the european continent (after russia) and are a nuclear power as well as a NATO member state. no foreign power will even consider military action against the french government.

no such thing will ever happen. the german armed forces are a joke and not capable of deployment on any meaningful scale.
macron is more likely to hire private military contractors as backup for his police than to rely on bundeswehr troops, because those (usually american) companies actually get things done. but even that is extremely unlikely as long as the french government remains in control of its armed forces.

Like I have said before, it's complete idiocy to think that this would escalate to civil war. French civilians have no guns, no coherent movement and no real motivation to really revolt. It's one thing to riot and another to go to war, and the latter isn't happening.

Oh no, I agree. Sadly it's wishful thinking that the people will rise up and revolution will occur in whatever shape or form. Or a fantastical scenario occurs and kicks it off. This will be a slow and painful battle of attrition between the gendarmes and the yellow vests with the government grinding down the will of the protesters.
 
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It's kind of a tricky situation, though, and any involvement could work counter to intent. As an example, if Trump supported th GJ, it would absolutely undermine them, and possibly break them apart. Same sort of thing if Merkel got heavy-handed supporting Macron, it would enflame the anti-Macron sentiment. I can really only see Italians and Catalans getting involved without some sort of unintended backlash.
While true, that hasn't stopped countries before. 95% of them are fucking stupid and they never consider such things.

here will be no outside intervention as long as the french military exists. they have the second largest army on the european continent (after russia) and are a nuclear power as well as a NATO member state. no foreign power will even consider military action against the french government.

I can see that being a good deterrent.... until it's deployed against civvies. then some dumbfuck country is going to intervene "for its own good". question is, which side?

note: to make it clear, I don't think the yellow vests are going to start a civil war. I fully believe macron will deploy the military for peacekeeping and some third rate dumbfuck country is going to instigate one for personal gain and find out quickly that was a dumb move.
 
Like I have said before, it's complete idiocy to think that this would escalate to civil war. French civilians have no guns, no coherent movement and no real motivation to really revolt. It's one thing to riot and another to go to war, and the latter isn't happening.
If it was actually really threatening, then Macron would resign, but what you wouldn't know is that Macron had a "meeting" with the top brass of the French military who told him to do so. Macron's resignation would quell the worst of it, just as we can see repeated weekends of this has.

Yeah, and the UK is currently 4th rate, so you assholes better get your act together soon.
You mean something like this?
 
there will be no outside intervention as long as the french military exists. they have the second largest army on the european continent (after russia) and are a nuclear power as well as a NATO member state. no foreign power will even consider military action against the french government.

no such thing will ever happen. the german armed forces are a joke and not capable of deployment on any meaningful scale.
macron is more likely to hire private military contractors as backup for his police than to rely on bundeswehr troops, because those (usually american) companies actually get things done. but even that is extremely unlikely as long as the french government remains in control of its armed forces.
I agree with that, but at the same time, didn't France have the largest army in Europe when the Germans rolled through in a few weeks during WW2?
 
Macron will never be able to deploy the army against the citizens tho. The moment he gives the order he loses this, because the military doesn't really like to be used by power hungry bankers.
 
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