Carl Benjamin / Sargon of Akkad / Akkad Daily / The Thinkery / @not_sargon / @WarPlanPurple - Leader of the "Liberalists" & Droning Pseudo-Intellectual Boomer anti-SJW Activist, Applebees Waiter, Mass Shooter Whiteknight

[Kalishnakov]

That's assuming Smuckly-Puff doesn't get de-platformed in the process which he probably will if he isn't elected and then what? And when that happens who's going to bail his ass in his country? Nobody. Not even UKIP.

What would he be de-platformed for? Speaking...uncomfortable truths?
"Hate speech" which is what exactly?

It's a funny disease that has afflicted the Western world when people are living in fear of having a dissenting opinion, and not to mention, an opinion which is popular. ( oops that word...populism starts to pop up )

What it really mean, is that 'Free Speech' went the way of the dodo bird and people are too apathetic to fight it, due to ;
#1. Tommy Robinson and the debacle surrounding him
#2. Bogus insults: transphobe, islamaphobe, homophobe
#3. Education system, which has turned to shit and now boy are girls.

The sheer idiocy of the 'feminist' movement could not have more effectively castrated Western civilization had they literally lopped the balls off the population. Fortunately, not everyone has been blind sided by the pure idiocy of it, but are rather adept at dancing around the edges of it. Nigel Farage being one of them.

 

[verissimus]

He needs to emphasize policy

Much as I would like to say he has no policy, he's already stated if I'm not mistaken that his only goal was either gumming up procedures in the European Parliament and/or getting the UK out of the EU. If anyone honestly expects him to elaborate on that, they're dumber than he is. He simply won't do it. As far as I'm concerned, this pos is doing what almost all the hyper anti-SJW/PC people do. Be as obnoxious and insipid against the SJW/PC crowd as much as possible until they respond angrily and when they do, play the victim, but this time it won't work because the libs he thought he could easily trigger will burn all his social media to the ground and no one will save his ass at least in his own country.

@Kalashnikova Unpopular truths? Such as what? He's 1/4 black? As for what he'll get de-platformed by, mellon farmer, they wouldn't even let Lauren Southern into their country. What makes you think the powers that be aren't going to crack the whip on our friend here? Besides they can always claim, he threatened a sitting MP if they wanted some excuse.

 

[Kalishnakov]

Much as I would like to say he has no policy, he's already stated if I'm not mistaken that his only goal was either gumming up procedures in the European Parliament and/or getting the UK out of the EU. If anyone honestly expects him to elaborate on that, they're dumber than he is. He simply won't do it. As far as I'm concerned, This pos is doing what almost all the hyper anti-SJW/PC people do. Be as obnoxious and insipid against the SJW/PC crowd as much as possible until they respond angrily and when they do, play the victim, but this time it won't work because the libs he thought he could easily trigger burn all his social media to the ground and no one will save his ass at least in his own country.

Unfortunately, true of the situation.
Libs cannot debate without screaming and being the Ultimate Victim.

And like a shrieking baby, breaks its toys.

@Kalashnikova Unpopular truths? Such as what? He's 1/4 black? As for what he'll get de-platformed by, mellon farmer, they wouldn't even let Lauren Southern into their country. What makes you think the powers that be aren't going to crack the whip on our friend here? Besides they can always claim, he threatened a sitting MP if they wanted some excuse.

They can claim whatever, and get away with it. And they will. Once they run out of 'evil populists' or what have you, they will turn on themselves.

Lauren Southern is an excellent example of the sheer idiocy of the UK government at present. Tommy is a tragedy of betrayal of their own people. What does it really take for people to realize that they are giving away their culture and freedom, and for what? Some bullshit virtue signaling morality pulled out of the backside of some delusional self loathing tranny with too much money?

 

[YW 525]

The debate here is genuinely interesting but I find myself most interested in the color choices for highlighting select quotes.

 

[instythot]

Fair points. Seems he is getting his sea legs under him. His videos are not quite the same scenario as being live with a crowd in a moment he was not entirely prepared for. Not that I disagree with his response to the reporter either.

If he can stop laughing at the state of politics and pretend to take it seriously, he might be able to win over some of the stuffed shirts.

Seriously, have you and @debatelimination ever been logged in at the same time?

 

[Kalishnakov]

Seriously, have you and @debatelimination ever been logged in at the same time?

Relevance?

 

[Aristophanes]

Batten isn't exactly helping himself by taking gutter snipes at Farage in the press. That'll really persuade the moderates in the party to back him (not).

As a leftist it's honestly entertaining watching Farage and Batten take swipes at one another, but if I was to put a bet on who'll come out on top it's definitely Farage.

 

[Unog]

Carl is on point, until he starts firing off his gob, and even then, he is correct but it ruffles feathers. Fortunately, the middle class is less miffed by ruffled feathers.

The BBC is a whore to the current Marxist regime.

Carl doesn't believe half of the shit he spews, and the other half he doesn't even understand. My god when you're blown the fuck out in the interview for a position in UKIP so bad that you have to have your mi.lk-fed gimp come in and save your ass you're out of your league.

What would he be de-platformed for? Speaking...uncomfortable truths?
"Hate speech" which is what exactly?

It's what his countrymen have defined as ideas that are so toxic as to be made illegal for public dissemination. I disagree with the practice but there you have it.

It's a funny disease that has afflicted the Western world when people are living in fear of having a dissenting opinion, and not to mention, an opinion which is popular. ( oops that word...populism starts to pop up )

What it really mean, is that 'Free Speech' went the way of the dodo bird and people are too apathetic to fight it, due to ;
#1. Tommy Robinson and the debacle surrounding him
#2. Bogus insults: transphobe, islamaphobe, homophobe
#3. Education system, which has turned to shit and now boy are girls.

The sheer idiocy of the 'feminist' movement could not have more effectively castrated Western civilization had they literally lopped the balls off the population. Fortunately, not everyone has been blind sided by the pure idiocy of it, but are rather adept at dancing around the edges of it. Nigel Farage being one of them.

You're blindsided by your own fervent belief if you actually think Carl is a proponent of free speech. He's actively tried to censor people who made the grave error of insulting his attire. This "lol feminists so fragile" veneer he tries so hard to maintain melts down the moment he's confronted by even the most basic-bitch progressives that he encounters who don't entertain the idea that he deserves any respect. Or really anyone that doesn't "kiss the ring" and shows him all of the proper respect he deserves, which would be exactly none.

For God's sake man he got his ass handed to him by Kevin fucking Logan, and has been a salty bitch over it ever since.

Relevance?

The joke is that you're in his corner seemingly as much as @debatelimination is. Which is obviously hyperbole.

 

[Goku 1000000 O]

Ok, lets see here. Its an anti-fascist parade, so its a tour.

But wait, why is there a picture of Carl holding an antifa flag? Does that mean Carl is fucking antifa and going on a speaking tour for UKIP?

How do you fuck up something like this so badly?

 

[Aristophanes]

Ok, lets see here. Its an anti-fascist parade, so its a tour.

But wait, why is there a picture of Carl holding an antifa flag? Does that mean Carl is fucking antifa and going on a speaking tour for UKIP?

How do you fuck up something like this so badly?
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Carl is going for the classic right/far-right double speak here, where he puts himself as the moderate party to trick less savvy voters.

 

[instythot]

Relevance?

It's getting increasingly difficult to believe that such a spirited effort from the Carl Defense Force in this specific corner of the internet is entirely on the up and up

 

[Unog]

Carl is going for the classic right/far-right double speak here, where he puts himself as the moderate party to trick less savvy voters.

I'm lost on the idea that he's supposedly right-wing. He's just a lolbertarian centrist who doesn't understand his own beliefs, to the point that many of the beliefs that he's expressed honestly are self-contradictory.

 

[instythot]

Ok, lets see here. Its an anti-fascist parade, so its a tour.

But wait, why is there a picture of Carl holding an antifa flag? Does that mean Carl is fucking antifa and going on a speaking tour for UKIP?

How do you fuck up something like this so badly?
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Speaking of fuck ups, parades are a bunch of walking and Carl has booked himself into 13 of the things in a month. All that cardio from dinosaur taming will finally pay off

 

[verissimus]

WTF. He's going to do a tour/parade in Gibraltar...for all the 30,000 plus people there of whom how many not only would recognize him (or rather his party) but would go out to join? Are you freaking kidding me. His sycophants he'll probably bring with him will outnumber anyone from there. Good god the ego-mania of this douchebag.

 

[White Devil's Advocate]

You see, you have fallen into my trap and you haven't even realized that.



Your straw-man will not work on people of my kind and this is why I usually get the upper hand in debates.



»I fucking hate this meme about the polls being wrong exceptional boomer/zoomer niggers keep on spouting.«



The problem is, my point was originally adressed towards polls that were IN FACT wrong, especially cable TVs and polling firms, which by the way, do in fact have some power to change and swing some of the public's perception, let that be with polls or other methods. TV coverage was in fact very largely negative and studies have shown that, and so is negative the coverage of Sargon on this public forum. But you're underestimating someone with the likes of Sargon.



Then later on, you try to modify your stance by displaying someone like Nate Silver, who still hasn't acknowledge Trump was gonna win, but only made a statement that it's closer to 30 %.



My original point was, and it still remains, that regardless of kiwiusers' obvious stance on Sargon & elections, it will be proven wrong as big public platforms have proven to lie & get proven wrong. And that is the day I will laugh and make sure that my dominance is noticed.

Carl, and no I don't care if you are actually Carl or not. You got his dick so far down your throat you might as well be him. So listen very carefully. Nothing you want is ever going to happen. You're not going to be the god-emperor of the UK. You're not going to save the west. And you're already falling flat on your face. You just don't know it yet. But you will. These politician sharks you're trying to swim with are going to fuck you so hard that you really will wish you just stayed home making crappy video games.

My advice ... Stop hitting on the trannies, drop these childish political fantasies, and go spend some time with your wife and your wife's son. The sooner you do all this, the better off you'll feel.

 

[FH 721]

If you ask the average normie about Gamergate they're probably going to say 'it was a bunch of misogynists harassing women, LGBT people and minorities'.

Let's be honest, if you ask the everyday normie about Gamergate the majority of them in reality will respond with "what the fuck is Gamergate and why should I care".

 

[Toucan]

Ok, lets see here. Its an anti-fascist parade, so its a tour.

But wait, why is there a picture of Carl holding an antifa flag? Does that mean Carl is fucking antifa and going on a speaking tour for UKIP?

How do you fuck up something like this so badly?

Well you see mate the anti fascists are the REAL fascists now. Its the horseshoe effect, I read about it in Locke.

@Unog for a person who claims to be a centrist/libertarian he seems to spend an awful lot of time saying alt right talking points, using their memes and even hanging out with some figures in white nationalist circles (that picture with Rowan Croft that i posted earlier for instance) He also makes a great deal of noise in defence of the alt right from someone who is supposedly against them, enough noise for the casual observer to wonder if there isnt something deeper afoot.

While i agree with you that I dont think he himself has a clear view of what he actually believes I find it impossible to say that he is not at least right wing.
You are right in saying that much of his beliefs are contradictory and he seems to be circling the drain of centrisim on the political compass for quite some time. It is hard to know how much of this is an act, he does lie about his political beliefs in order to ingratiate himself to certain communities. But he also certainly has a very nebulous idea of what he wants the world to look like when he is pressed to it. This can either come down to laziness (a very real possibility) or it could be that his political philosophy is just inchoate.
However in his old fourm posts when he thought he was anonymous and when he is drunk and he doesn't give a shit about optics his politics suddenly become very mean spirited and reminiscent of thatcher era morality.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

I'm lost on the idea that he's supposedly right-wing. He's just a lolbertarian centrist who doesn't understand his own beliefs, to the point that many of the beliefs that he's expressed honestly are self-contradictory.

I don't think Carl really stands for much besides the self-congratulatory idea that he is some kind of noble freedom fighter who speaks truth to power. The reality, however, is that he is just a bored 40-year-old stay-at-homer who was lucky enough to find a comfortable niche in the wake of Gamergate, and he's been grappling to remain relevant ever since.

 

[Draza]

I'm lost on the idea that he's supposedly right-wing. He's just a lolbertarian centrist who doesn't understand his own beliefs, to the point that many of the beliefs that he's expressed honestly are self-contradictory.

Pretty much sums him up. Carl doesn't have a clear political idea or goal that he stands on.

 

[Table Country]

Relevance?

You've done nothing but ride Sargoy's nuts since you rolled into the thread. Almost as hard as @debatelimination has, but at least he's obviously baiting.
I'll give it to you, your points seem very good at first glance. On the other hand your flowery, awe-inspiring language makes it seem like you're here to proselytize the good word of Serg'n.