Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[repentance]

Most of the PULL thread now is shitting on YellowFlash and the other grifters, because if they link them by association to Nick, Ty and Vic, they all look bad. It's just so sad and pathetic reading the thread.


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Wouldn't blacklisting Vic invoke some nasty federal consequences?

 

[TheClappening]

Wouldn't blacklisting Vic invoke some nasty federal consequences?

I don't think so. Everyone has a right to hire (and not hire) anyone as long as it's not discriminatory (e.g. we won't hire Vic because he's Italian).

It's one of the reasons why he's suiing for a whole million dollars + damages, and why I suspect Ty and Nick are trying to keep this case in the limelight. Vic might have a strong case, sure, and he might win it down the road. But if companies simply don't want to hire him for good or for stupid reasons, there's nothing anyone can do about it.

They want this case to be loud and public because it will show he's not a danger to anyone (except maybe yaoi prints) and he's still very much in demand at the con scene. The argument being that while they can't be forced to hire or invite him, they'd be stupid not to if he draws in the dollars and the allegations against him were full of shit.

Unless you mean some kind of conspiratorial blacklist like that broken staircase doc, then that might fall under civil conspiracy

 

[AnOminous]

While this doesn't involve Vic it does involve Funimation. It looks like they are getting sued by someone else. It's going to be hard to defend 2 different cases.

Though it might not amount to much since the company suing them is more than likely a patent troll.

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2019/...t-infringement-involving-funimationnow/84052/

They're well prepared for a patent troll since their general counsel is a copyright troll himself.

 

[School of Fish]

I really hope that Anime News Network ends up like Gawker soon.

 

[Tipsy Tea Cup]

Just came to mind, I may be wrong though...
Anybody else hear anything about the people who were served awhile back? IIRC, awhile back Nick mentioned that there were 15 people, but only 10 papers were delivered.

The 1st round has 4 people. Then we have Iago, Igor, Renfield, and Beth Elderkin. That leaves us with 7.

 

[JosephTX]

Just came to mind, I may be wrong though...
Anybody else hear anything about the people who were served awhile back? IIRC, awhile back Nick mentioned that there were 15 people, but only 10 papers were delivered.

The 1st round has 4 people. Then we have Iago, Igor, Renfield, and Beth Elderkin. That leaves us with 7.

Nick is a cocktease, back in April he said once the lawsuit was filed Iago, Igor & Renfield would have their names revealed yet a month later he hasn't given it up.

 

[BigDuckEnergy]

Nick is a cocktease, back in April he said once the lawsuit was filed Iago, Igor & Renfield would have their names revealed yet a month later he hasn't given it up.

I'm fairly sure he said when Iago, Igor and Renfield are served, he will confirm that they are indeed Iago, Igor and/or Renfield.

 

[beardium]

"You have stated your dislike for vic so it's all good" - A requirement if you want to be trusted by pull Lmao. Everyone knows it but man is it funny hearing it from their own mouths.

 

[boulderblundermatt90]

I don't think so. Everyone has a right to hire (and not hire) anyone as long as it's not discriminatory (e.g. we won't hire Vic because he's Italian).

It's one of the reasons why he's suiing for a whole million dollars + damages, and why I suspect Ty and Nick are trying to keep this case in the limelight. Vic might have a strong case, sure, and he might win it down the road. But if companies simply don't want to hire him for good or for stupid reasons, there's nothing anyone can do about it.

They want this case to be loud and public because it will show he's not a danger to anyone (except maybe yaoi prints) and he's still very much in demand at the con scene. The argument being that while they can't be forced to hire or invite him, they'd be stupid not to if he draws in the dollars and the allegations against him were full of shit.

Unless you mean some kind of conspiratorial blacklist like that broken staircase doc, then that might fall under civil conspiracy

actually, that is quite wrong.

you are right about the right to hire but blacklisting in an industry is a good, good way to get federal eyes and regulation into an industry. further, it can easily, easily be called civil or business conspiracy and a good way for businesses to find themselves with a multi-million dollar bill. the only time a business will even think of following an industry blacklist should it exist is if they're exceptional or if the labeled individual actually did something repugnant and the company can easily point to something objective that came to the same conclusion, like an actual criminal trial and sometimes, though rarely, a lawsuit.

 

[Dopey Cunt]

She's done some Sentai stuff, as has Marchi. Monica's most recent role was... I think Made In Abyss. Other than that, I think they're both exclusively Texas based.

They should stay in Texas and not spread their retarded selves anywhere else.
Keep the cancer contained.

Most of the PULL thread now is shitting on YellowFlash and the other grifters, because if they link them by association to Nick, Ty and Vic, they all look bad. It's just so sad and pathetic reading the thread.


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I'm noticing a pattern here. It's the same exact people parroting the same exact bullshit and getting called out for the same exact exceptional thinking. Seriously, is there only like 3 people who consistently post on PULL about this? That's sad.
And what is...what the hell is this? They type like they're supposed to be these edgy, Beverly hills type mean girls. I can't read this anymore, I can feel myself physically getting more retarded from this.

 

[RodgerDodger]

I don't think so. Everyone has a right to hire (and not hire) anyone as long as it's not discriminatory (e.g. we won't hire Vic because he's Italian).

It's one of the reasons why he's suiing for a whole million dollars + damages, and why I suspect Ty and Nick are trying to keep this case in the limelight. Vic might have a strong case, sure, and he might win it down the road. But if companies simply don't want to hire him for good or for stupid reasons, there's nothing anyone can do about it.

They want this case to be loud and public because it will show he's not a danger to anyone (except maybe yaoi prints) and he's still very much in demand at the con scene. The argument being that while they can't be forced to hire or invite him, they'd be stupid not to if he draws in the dollars and the allegations against him were full of shit.

Unless you mean some kind of conspiratorial blacklist like that broken staircase doc, then that might fall under civil conspiracy

Opting not to hire someone because of controversy based on publicly available information is perfectly legal, so long as you reach that conclusion on your own. Discussing and colluding with other competing businesses within the industry to not hire an individual is however rather illegal.

 

[AStupidMonkey]

What could get ANN dragged to Texas imo was when they put out that twitter stuff asking for direct info relating to Vic. If a certain crew of Texans sent them defamatory info, which they published, and causing damages to business activity within Texas, you meet the standard. They didn't just put a story on the internet, they reached out to people in Texas for that story, which caused damage in Texas. Good enough the make the argument anyway, and as others have said ANN would be dumb as all hell to fight it. If they manage to defeat Texas jurisdiction they get sued in Canada and that would be a very bad thing for them.

It's going to be pretty hard to find the DMs directly supporting a claim of defamation.

"o hi, btw, can u find defamatory info on vic?"
"y?"
"we want 2 defame him to troll teh vic stans!"
"lol k!"

More likely, that's all going to be shrouded under the mantle of journalistic research. Besides, we know these fucks drink kool-aid.

actually, that is quite wrong.

you are right about the right to hire but blacklisting in an industry is a good, good way to get federal eyes and regulation into an industry. further, it can easily, easily be called civil or business conspiracy and a good way for businesses to find themselves with a multi-million dollar bill. the only time a business will even think of following an industry blacklist should it exist is if they're exceptional or if the labeled individual actually did something repugnant and the company can easily point to something objective that came to the same conclusion, like an actual criminal trial and sometimes, though rarely, a lawsuit.

I don't know how you'd stop employers from networking and sharing recommendations with eachother. On top of that, it's a good PR move not to hire someone mired in controversy (hence Vic's damages; he'll never be made fully whole, I don't think.) And as long as one or two reputable operations continue to give Vic work, you can always argue there's no blacklist at all.

I'd love to see all these things happen, but damn are we tilting at windmills during this downtime. Call me a cynic.

Sorry I'm just dumping on everyone's theories; there's really no harm in theory-crafting.

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"You have stated your dislike for vic so it's all good" - A requirement if you want to be trusted by pull Lmao. Everyone knows it but man is it funny hearing it from their own mouths.

I keep seeing Shorterm in these posts... anybody else secretly hoping it's Shortround? lol

 

[boulderblundermatt90]

I don't know how you'd stop employers from networking and sharing recommendations with eachother. On top of that, it's a good PR move not to hire someone mired in controversy (hence Vic's damages; he'll never be made fully whole, I don't think.) And as long as one or two reputable operations continue to give Vic work, you can always argue there's no blacklist at all.

I'd love to see all these things happen, but damn are we tilting at windmills during this downtime. Call me a cynic.

Sorry I'm just dumping on everyone's theories; there's really no harm in theory-crafting.

that's what i like to call a banlist simply because unlike a blacklist, its based on facts that the companies find themselves rather than a company going around defaming and preventing a person from getting work. in this case, it'll only work so long since many american companies are not only beholden to japan (which again toei likes him), but also they generally give far more of a shit to the results than the process with funi being the exceptional idiot in the situation.

 

[Kosher Salt]

You're misreading the case, the Texas Surpreme Court rejected it because the case involved a Mexican company making statements in Mexico about a Texas resident (who was a Mexican National), about that resident's activities in Mexico and Brazil (during which time the plaintiff was a Mexican resident), and used only Mexican and Brazilian sources thus failing to meet the requirements of Calder.

They did indeed reject the claim that it met the requirements under Calder's "subject-and-sources" test. You're taking that out of context, though; it was but one test that they considered. Read d. immediately above it, where they said that "subject-and-sources" wasn't the only way for them to establish that the broadcasts "targeted" the state of Texas.

We agree that the evidence does not establish targeting under Calder's "subject-and-sources" test, but we do not agree that the subject-and-sources test is the only way to establish that a broadcaster targeted a forum state. Instead, a plaintiff can establish that a defamation defendant targeted Texas by relying on other "additional conduct" through which the defendant "continuously and deliberately exploited" the Texas market. Keeton, 465 U.S. at 781, 104 S.Ct. 1473. We conclude that Trevino has done so here.

The explanation of why it did not establish targeting under "subject-and-sources" was section (1), which you screenshot, but they went on to explain in section (2) that they did find cause to rule that the defendants "continuously and deliberately exploited the [Texas] market." They concluded:

The evidence that Petitioners physically "entered into" Texas to produce and promote their broadcasts, derived substantial revenue and other benefits by selling advertising to Texas businesses, and made substantial efforts to distribute their programs and increase their popularity in Texas supports the trial court's finding that Petitioners "continuously and deliberately exploited the [Texas] market." Keeton, 465 U.S. at 781, 104 S.Ct. 1473. We thus conclude that the evidence supports the trial court's finding that through their broadcasts, Petitioners purposefully availed themselves of the benefits of conducting activities in Texas, such that they "could reasonably anticipate being haled into court there." Moncrief Oil, 414 S.W.3d at 152.

 

[AnCapFool]

So. The deadline for Casey Erick to file Monica and Ron's response to Vic's pleading was 10AM CST today. 23 minutes ago as of this writing. The case site so far has nothing up for new documents. This might have just gone full hilarious.

 

[Dopey Cunt]

So. The deadline for Casey Erick to file Monica and Ron's response to Vic's pleading was 10AM CST today. 23 minutes ago as of this writing. The case site so far has nothing up for new documents. This might have just gone full hilarious.

I think MoRon have done one of the most exceptional things ever and hired a lawyer that is equally exceptional.

 

[Army Burger]

So. The deadline for Casey Erick to file Monica and Ron's response to Vic's pleading was 10AM CST today. 23 minutes ago as of this writing. The case site so far has nothing up for new documents. This might have just gone full hilarious.

 

[PrinceofAllCucks]

So. The deadline for Casey Erick to file Monica and Ron's response to Vic's pleading was 10AM CST today. 23 minutes ago as of this writing. The case site so far has nothing up for new documents. This might have just gone full hilarious.

Wait, is that what Nick is saying may be hilarious on the Twitter? Oh lord, my sides are gonna be orbiting Mars if that's the case.

 

[AnCapFool]

This is unconfirmed. Watch the case site.

 

[Dopey Cunt]

Wait, is that what Nick is saying may be hilarious on the Twitter? Oh lord, my sides are gonna be orbiting Mars if that's the case.

Please. PLEASE let it be what I think it is. Please.
Nick and KF are gonna have a field day with this if it's true.