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Feline Supremacist said:
Are you referring to Quentyn, the boy that snuck into the pyramid to steal a dragon but got toasted instead?
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Quentyn is almost delciously crispy right now, though if you notice that he doesn't burn as fast as in every other instance where dragons have breathed fire so who knows- the most melty burnt part should be the least melty burnt part.

The big overall theme in that book is that people are fake dead- the bones the shepherd claims is his daughter, Cersei being told that Loras is horrifically burned (so conveniently cannot protect her during her trial but isn't quite dead enough to open a kingsguard slot) someone who could be Quentyn but even Barristan points out the corpse is unrecognisable, and Jon getting a mystery letter saying Stannis is totally dead everyone.

But yeah, a properly utilized Golden Company would have been a more interesting show. I doubt it'd be great writing, but I guess some of the main characters could like...talk with them and fight and stuff, instead of just shoving everyone in Winterfell or whatever. It'd give Cersei someone to plot against and not just drink wine constantly.
 
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I haven't read the books, so can someone fill me in on this plot point: why are dragon riders such a big deal in a setting with shapeshifting ninja assassins?
 
Krokodil Overdose said:
I haven't read the books, so can someone fill me in on this plot point: why are dragon riders such a big deal in a setting with shapeshifting ninja assassins?
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In the books The shape shifting Ninja assassins are more like shapeshifting ninja assassin priests and we don't really know how good they really are outside of one dude
 
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Sable said:
Dragons melt entire castles, and allowed a man with a starting army of 2000 men to unite Westeros.
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See, I get the part where having a dragon is basically the same thing as having an A-10 while everyone else is stuck with bows and arrows, but that doesn't explain why shapeshifting assassins couldn't just kill the rider- especially since we're using Evangelion rules (I think?) that only specific people can ride them.
 
Krokodil Overdose said:
See, I get the part where having a dragon is basically the same thing as having an A-10 while everyone else is stuck with bows and arrows, but that doesn't explain why shapeshifting assassins couldn't just kill the rider- especially since we're using Evangelion rules (I think?) that only specific people can ride them.
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I don't think there's a satisfactory answer.

My headcanon is that the Faceless Men are a Bravosi secret. The only people in Westeros who know about them are those who have traveled the world, like Oberon, or those who dabble in forbidden knowledge, like Qyburn, Marwyn and Varys.
 
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Krokodil Overdose said:
I haven't read the books, so can someone fill me in on this plot point: why are dragon riders such a big deal in a setting with shapeshifting ninja assassins?
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In the books they're not commanded by absolute retards. It's like having a modern aircraft carrier when all your opponents still use dudes with spears.

Krokodil Overdose said:
See, I get the part where having a dragon is basically the same thing as having an A-10 while everyone else is stuck with bows and arrows, but that doesn't explain why shapeshifting assassins couldn't just kill the rider- especially since we're using Evangelion rules (I think?) that only specific people can ride them.
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They can. Those dudes are really expensive for a reason though. For something like that they'd make some crazy demands. Probably wouldn't want to just be paid in coin. They often demand other things. Like one of your kids, for instance.

I get the impression in the books a dragon can only be bonded with one rider at a time but if that rider dies it's possible for someone else to bond with them. Balerion and Vhagar both had multiple recorded riders historically, because they lived a long time. Off the top of my head the same is true of Silverwing and Dreamfire.
 
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Stab You in the Back said:
I don't think there's a satisfactory answer.

My headcanon is that the Faceless Men are a Bravosi secret. The only people in Westeros who know about them are those who have traveled the world, like Oberon, or those who dabble in forbidden knowledge, like Qyburn, Marwyn and Varys.
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They’re an open secret. People come to their temples to die, at least in the free cities. Some willingly, at the end of life, some who have just gotten horrible diseases or are dying come to the temples to die peacefully by poisoning themselves. That’s where a lot of the faces come from.

Faceless Men are known outside of Braavos as the ultimate assassins, but their prices are immense and they are picky about contracts and prices. They also are serious about their contracts - it’s a matter of duty.
 
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I also get the impression that the magic of the faceless men is less magical in the books. Sure, they still can pick up someone else's face, but for instance, when Arya loses her eyesight, it's due to drinking some potion daily as part of her training.
Either way, it would be sort of nice to find out just what the hell Jaqen H'Gar was up to in King's Landing and why he allowed himself to be captured.
 
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RomanesEuntDomus said:
I also get the impression that the magic of the faceless men is less magical in the books. Sure, they still can pick up someone else's face, but for instance, when Arya loses her eyesight, it's due to drinking some potion daily as part of her training.
Either way, it would be sort of nice to find out just what the hell Jaqen H'Gar was up to in King's Landing and why he allowed himself to be captured.
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Shitpost theory: Jaqen made a kill and felt cheeky enough to steal an apple as a post kill reward. For this, Robert had him imprisoned before his death by boar.
 
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RomanesEuntDomus said:
I also get the impression that the magic of the faceless men is less magical in the books. Sure, they still can pick up someone else's face, but for instance, when Arya loses her eyesight, it's due to drinking some potion daily as part of her training.
Either way, it would be sort of nice to find out just what the hell Jaqen H'Gar was up to in King's Landing and why he allowed himself to be captured.
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Yeah the face thing is the only explicit magic they have so far in the books. Otherwise it's just poisons and slight of hand.
 
Your Weird Fetish said:
Yeah the face thing is the only explicit magic they have so far in the books. Otherwise it's just poisons and slight of hand.
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Yeah. What they do not do, as this is a religious ceremony, is train people to leap in the air 30 meters to stab inhuman monsters in the heart.

That would be silly.

Also I always got the implication that while the Targs had their little dragon temper tantrum, the Bravoosi with the Iron Bank and Faceless Dudes controlled the world in a much more mundane and boring way: control of international currency and commerce.
 
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RadicalCentrist said:
Also I always got the implication that while the Targs had their little dragon temper tantrum, the Bravoosi with the Iron Bank and Faceless Dudes controlled the world in a much more mundane and boring way: control of international currency and commerce.
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If you specifically mean the Targs then yes, probably, if only because Westeros is horribly undeveloped and poor for its size, even compared to medieval countries it's supposedly based off've.

If you mean the Valyrians in general, even with the Braavosi punching far above their weight class, the wealth and power of Old Valyria is absolutely immense. Post-doom of course, Braavos was generally sheltered from the century of blood, which probably allowed them to grow and get a much better control of things as you say.

It's interesting though that Braavos makes too much money indirectly from the slave trade to actually stamp it out, making only token efforts.
 
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RadicalCentrist said:
Yeah. What they do not do, as this is a religious ceremony, is train people to leap in the air 30 meters to stab inhuman monsters in the heart.

That would be silly.

Also I always got the implication that while the Targs had their little dragon temper tantrum, the Bravoosi with the Iron Bank and Faceless Dudes controlled the world in a much more mundane and boring way: control of international currency and commerce.
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Yeah they don't really train them how to fight that much. They train them how to not have to fight. Arya isn't a fighter. Or at least, she shouldn't be. And certainly isn't in the books. She's a murderer. Different.
 
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