I found something about that alleged rape case.
It was, if I read her Tweets right, in 2009 in Florence, Italy.
To be honest, I'm not buying the wole story, so she was allegedly raped in Florence, Italy, tried to file a report and nobody understood her. You know what you dumb bitch, next time just call 112 or 113 and ask for a english speaking officer. After that they went to Venice and tried to file a report there, which again led to nothing. Ya, sure.
Then they "fled" to the UK to file a report over there, which by the way is just laughable, because Italy and the UK (obviously) are to different fucking countries. Ever heard about "out of their jurisdiction", you dumb cunt and then, ofc, she filed a report in the USA which also led to nothing.
Also important, there is a US Consulate located directly in Florence, Italy. So why didn't she just went their and and asked for help?
They would have contacted the Italian police or at least could have given her the contact information she needed, e.g. english speaking officers.
To be absolutely brutally frank here, I'm really convinced that she made up the whole story, maybe after reading this news story here. The news story was published in October 2018 and she posts about her alledged rape in February 2019. Coincidence?
Pro tipp to any tourists traveling abroad, if you're a victim of a crime (and dont' speak the language of your host nation) contact your nearest embassy or consulate, they can establish or at least give you contact information to english speaking local police authorities.
Thanks saved me a twitter search for them. Also clarified details I was remembering wrong.
Also according to her statements made on the whole thing, she leads us to believe it was because she was naive that she did not know about the holes in the story
Okay, now that we have heard from the three principals, and have the main stories on the table. Is there anything in them that rises to the level of the public defamatory claims made? Anything that goes near “Predatory Rapist”, “Pedophile”, “Sexual Assault” or even “Sexual Harassment”? Even when giving the defendants any benefit of the doubt, and accepting their “truth” at face value, does any of the activity they describe rise to the level of the defamatory claims that they made, as they set about to deny Vic work?
Okay, now that we have heard from the three principals, and have the main stories on the table. Is there anything in them that rises to the level of the public defamatory claims made? Anything that goes near “Predatory Rapist”, “Pedophile”, “Sexual Assault” or even “Sexual Harassment”? Even when giving the defendants any benefit of the doubt, and accepting their “truth” at face value, does any of the activity they describe rise to the level of the defamatory claims that they made, as they set about to deny Vic work?
Okay, now that we have heard from the three principals, and have the main stories on the table. Is there anything in them that rises to the level of the public defamatory claims made? Anything that goes near “Predatory Rapist”, “Pedophile”, “Sexual Assault” or even “Sexual Harassment”? Even when giving the defendants any benefit of the doubt, and accepting their “truth” at face value, does any of the activity they describe rise to the level of the defamatory claims that they made, as they set about to deny Vic work?
The stories told in the deposition? None of them. Outside the deposition? There's the most recent and single story of Vic apparently making a jailbait joke to a FtM troon at the apparent age of 10. Yet, the most that came out of it was that the dad was somehow able to get his room comped by the hotel.
She could be in charge of the production of extras and another person could be in charge of DVD/Blu Ray production (like menus and shit, don't know what that position would be called) and they could have could've removed Vic's interview. That's the most charitable view of the situation I can come up with.
If someone can connect Hanleia and Marzgurl to anyone in the defense, then it wasn't opportunistic, it was planned. It's extremely convenient that Marzgurl makes the tag on the day Broly comes out, after Sabat's cabal fought with Toei to try to recast Vic and failed, and wtfe hanleia made her tweet, it just happened to go viral right around that same release, giving Funimation an excuse to initiate that ridiculous investigation.
I don't know quite yet how they're connected. Maybe Allison Cooke is connected to the Yost twins or to Dominique Skye because of cosplay? Both the twins and Dominique have a direct line to Monica - and if Dominique is Sabat's Renfeld, that could make her the one to send the go-ahead to Allison, to make sure none of it was initiated by Sabat.
So bear with me on this hypothetical timeline:
Sabat's group is mad about Vic's popularity. Since - we'll say 2014-ish, just as a guess - Sabat's been trying to choke Vic out of the industry by refusing to cast him anywhere he has hiring decisions any time he can get away with it. Vic is still so popular that this is a failed venture, though, because he just consistently gets a bunch of lesser roles, and still gets bigger roles where Sabat can't reach.
Monica and the others are mad because they keep giving themselves main roles, but Vic's popularity still eclipses them, and despite their starvation attempt (likely the 'gentle' way of kicking him from the industry was to just have his jobs dry up and turn him into a convention-only person, or shove him into video games) he's the one getting main billing on credits even when his role is less than theirs.
Broly rolls up, and Sabat's rule of 'never hire Vic' is infringed upon. He wants the Broly role (or at least he wants to give it to an up and comer he likes), and since Broly is technically a new character, he tries to leverage that to get Vic denied the role (that Vic doesn't even really want, because it's not in his vocal range) but Toei puts their foot down for whatever reason and demands it be Vic.
Broly doesn't just do well, it is a mega success. The idea of choking Vic out of the industry dies spectacularly, and even worse he's now edging out Sabat and Schemmel as the #1 draw for the movie, because while he's not the 'main' character, he is the 'lead' character. Sabat was already angry enough about being forced to hire Vic that he carelessly calls Vic a pedophile to someone in December of 2018, but this is the last straw. He's infuriated beyond all measure. Vic's got a huge popularity boost and a massive number of cons he's invited to, and he's literally invited to Kamehacon when Schemmel isn't (because Schemmel's a spaz who committed TI last year and got caught by the fans, don't pretend it's any other reason).
Gentle removal isn't possible. Someone suggests a violent removal instead. The only problem is that Vic just got a massive hit, so quietly removing him will do absolutely nothing of use. He'll just work elsewhere and keep hogging the limelight. Someone, probably Skye or the Yosts, probably bring up the convention rumors.
Renfeld contacts Allison Cooke and tells her to try stirring up the waters about Vic's bad behavior, like what happened when they tried to get him fired over Rin Matsuoka. She makes the tweet to Funimation about Vic being a pedophile.
Funimation jumps on that to start their investigation. Which sure is odd, because their response to the much bigger push to get Vic fired over literally the same accusations (at the time of Allison's tweet) back when Vic was cast as Rin was to stare at its own navel. Monica Rial furnishes between three and four stories to Tammi Denbow, most of them on behalf of other people. Tammi asks Vic about three of them. Vic denies them.
Despite the allegations being worthless junk, Funimation immediately decides to fire Vic anyway, because they find the allegations 'credible'. Someone then leaks that information directly to ANN and other anime tabloids. Either Lynzee or Renfeld then contacts Marzgurl and tells her to start up the #kickvic hashtag, to provide cover for Funimation's next step: leaning on cons to force them to drop Vic as well.
Allison Cooke and Marzgurl stir up a firestorm on social media trying to ruin Vic. It actually does nothing, as Chris Slatosch refers to the online rumors with disdain, and Roosterteeth refers to them as something like garbage when dismissing them privately to Vic. However, Monica personally contacts RT with the same story she cooked up for the Funimation investigation, and Ron contacts any conventions that don't fold from Funimation's pressure, lying about Vic to get them to drop him.
At some point here the #kickvic conspiracy discord is created, where notable figures get together to hash out their stories so they all sound 'credible' by being similar. Jessie is there, Marchi is there, and Plant is there.
Jessie tries to start her part but crashes and burns because she's an idiot. Literally Who makes an accusation of Vic that is sort of credible, and a bunch of other voice actors like Jamie McGonigal jump on and signal boost, starting to cause real damage to Vic's reputation. Various other nobodies start jumping in as well, but as they're nobodies, it doesn't help much. A bunch of articles start dropping, but no one cares what tabloids have to say.
Vic has been fired from Funimation and Roosterteeth, and Funimation is forcing cons to drop him, but at this point he still hasn't been ruined. He has plenty of work opportunity with the other dubbing studios, and Funimation can't lean on every con, nor can they do it every year. They need to kill this man...'s reputation. So Monica steps in, with all of the good will and fan support she built up slapping down that woman who called Dragonball sexist.
It gets her absolutely nowhere, and she panics and runs away from twitter for all of a day. Probably what happened here is that she conferred with Sabat about what to do, because Literally Who wasn't doing enough to ruin Vic's reputation. Was that Literally Who Jamie Marchi, or was it some person that's so irrelevant she stopped talking after being one of the first people to come out as a Vic accuser? Can't remember. Anyway, Monica comes back the next day and proudly declares 'IT HAPPENED TO ME'.
As a follow up punch, (or slightly before, it's about the same time, though) Funimation breaks its promise to Vic and openly announces they've fired him with very strong implications they did it because rape. This combo is so convincing that some VAs seem to actually believe it. Those that don't are kept silent by Sabat's iron fist. A bunch of random people try to be important and do nothing but make their plan more obvious.
And here is the end of their plan. Vic has been 100% betrayed and demoralized, fired from his main jobs, thrown out of conventions, and his reputation turned to mud by now credible sounding accusations by - not randos, but VAs - so other dubbing companies will pause before they try to get him, and most conventions won't risk picking him up, since now Monica and others can pull the 'I'm unsafe' card as extortion.
Thus, they took the violent plan to get Vic out, because their gentle touch failed. This is why Vic is so sideswiped by the mass betrayal. They were trying to 'gently' oust him, choking him out of the industry while maintaining the veneer of friendship with him so they'd come out smelling like roses and he'd be none-the-wiser. Once that failed, they dropped their mask and went hard the opposite direction, because their plan couldn't work otherwise.
Of course Vic's fans were around still, idiots like Inoue-hart did serious damage to their plan's credibility, but they couldn't really do anything effective. They'd get angry and accuse people, but be unable to prove it and unable to enact any change, and Vic probably would just collapse or die before anyone could hope to even try to rectify things via fan pressure. Then some drunk lawyer showed up and ruined it all.
tl;dr - I think I've worked out the conspiracy timeline, and I'm pretty confident Allison Cooke and Kaylyn were not opportunities that Sabat & co happened to jump on. They were orchestrated, even if those two idiots don't know it themselves. And I suspect it's probably Dominique who is the connection. #kickvic was mostly a smokescreen to cover up their shady behavior early on, and only when people started to resist that did they bring in the big guns and torpedo Vic's reputation completely.
I still don't know why Tammi ran a blatantly faulty investigation and approved Vic's firing over nothing, though. It probably traces back to Sabat somehow.
If I'm at all right, then it might be possible to repair Vic's reputation, because it means the entire situation, not just Monica's garbage lies, was manufactured. I know people will probably scoff about it being a 'big' conspiracy, but I rather suspect the 'outer face' of kickvic weren't really 'part' of the conspiracy, they were just the tools that Sabat and whatever group he actually has in Funimation used. The real size of the conspiring group is likely small, with the rest of the participants unwitting or unwilling.
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Even if their asses were nailed to the wall, they’d still operate the same way in a moral crusade. I’m not even sure these fucks would see the people who fold as martyrs.
As for Funimation, Rooster Teeth, and ANN collapsing and dying as a result...doubt it. Even if their finances aren’t public, the bottom lines can usually survive a PR bombing.
rooster teeth yes but the rest do have others they answer to. japanese anime companies. generally they stay out of things but sooner or later they'll get jumpy and cold feet. they don't want ty's beard to extend over the ocean and will make moves to distance themselves.... including destroying contracts. unless they're big, like kadokawa or Toei.
rooster teeth yes but the rest do have others they answer to. japanese anime companies. generally they stay out of things but sooner or later they'll get jumpy and cold feet. they don't want ty's beard to extend over the ocean and will make moves to distance themselves.... including destroying contracts. unless they're big, like kadokawa or Toei.
Rooster Teeth got bought out by a Time Warner subsidiary, if memory serves. So they may be in the same boat. If Clownfish TV is to be believed, they are at risk of being combined with Warner Animation.
Yes. Vic is so beloved as Ed, that FMA and Brotherhood are on that elite list of anime where 90% of weebs will recommend you watch it in English (along with Cowboy Beebop), and the 10% that are hardcore Subtitle Master Race about anime would not immediately attempt to kill themselves within the first five minutes of watching a dubbed episode.
If someone can connect Hanleia and Marzgurl to anyone in the defense, then it wasn't opportunistic, it was planned. It's extremely convenient that Marzgurl makes the tag on the day Broly comes out, after Sabat's cabal fought with Toei to try to recast Vic and failed, and wtfe hanleia made her tweet, it just happened to go viral right around that same release, giving Funimation an excuse to initiate that ridiculous investigation.
I don't know quite yet how they're connected. Maybe Allison Cooke is connected to the Yost twins or to Dominique Skye because of cosplay? Both the twins and Dominique have a direct line to Monica - and if Dominique is Sabat's Renfeld, that could make her the one to send the go-ahead to Allison, to make sure none of it was initiated by Sabat.
So bear with me on this hypothetical timeline:
Sabat's group is mad about Vic's popularity. Since - we'll say 2014-ish, just as a guess - Sabat's been trying to choke Vic out of the industry by refusing to cast him anywhere he has hiring decisions any time he can get away with it. Vic is still so popular that this is a failed venture, though, because he just consistently gets a bunch of lesser roles, and still gets bigger roles where Sabat can't reach.
Monica and the others are mad because they keep giving themselves main roles, but Vic's popularity still eclipses them, and despite their starvation attempt (likely the 'gentle' way of kicking him from the industry was to just have his jobs dry up and turn him into a convention-only person, or shove him into video games) he's the one getting main billing on credits even when his role is less than theirs.
Broly rolls up, and Sabat's rule of 'never hire Vic' is infringed upon. He wants the Broly role (or at least he wants to give it to an up and comer he likes), and since Broly is technically a new character, he tries to leverage that to get Vic denied the role (that Vic doesn't even really want, because it's not in his vocal range) but Toei puts their foot down for whatever reason and demands it be Vic.
Broly doesn't just do well, it is a mega success. The idea of choking Vic out of the industry dies spectacularly, and even worse he's now edging out Sabat and Schemmel as the #1 draw for the movie, because while he's not the 'main' character, he is the 'lead' character. Sabat was already angry enough about being forced to hire Vic that he carelessly calls Vic a pedophile to someone in December of 2018, but this is the last straw. He's infuriated beyond all measure. Vic's got a huge popularity boost and a massive number of cons he's invited to, and he's literally invited to Kamehacon when Schemmel isn't (because Schemmel's a spaz who committed TI last year and got caught by the fans, don't pretend it's any other reason).
Gentle removal isn't possible. Someone suggests a violent removal instead. The only problem is that Vic just got a massive hit, so quietly removing him will do absolutely nothing of use. He'll just work elsewhere and keep hogging the limelight. Someone, probably Skye or the Yosts, probably bring up the convention rumors.
Renfeld contacts Allison Cooke and tells her to try stirring up the waters about Vic's bad behavior, like what happened when they tried to get him fired over Rin Matsuoka. She makes the tweet to Funimation about Vic being a pedophile.
Funimation jumps on that to start their investigation. Which sure is odd, because their response to the much bigger push to get Vic fired over literally the same accusations (at the time of Allison's tweet) back when Vic was cast as Rin was to stare at its own navel. Monica Rial furnishes between three and four stories to Tammi Denbow, most of them on behalf of other people. Tammi asks Vic about three of them. Vic denies them.
Despite the allegations being worthless junk, Funimation immediately decides to fire Vic anyway, because they find the allegations 'credible'. Someone then leaks that information directly to ANN and other anime tabloids. Either Lynzee or Renfeld then contacts Marzgurl and tells her to start up the #kickvic hashtag, to provide cover for Funimation's next step: leaning on cons to force them to drop Vic as well.
Allison Cooke and Marzgurl stir up a firestorm on social media trying to ruin Vic. It actually does nothing, as Chris Slatosch refers to the online rumors with disdain, and Roosterteeth refers to them as something like garbage when dismissing them privately to Vic. However, Monica personally contacts RT with the same story she cooked up for the Funimation investigation, and Ron contacts any conventions that don't fold from Funimation's pressure, lying about Vic to get them to drop him.
At some point here the #kickvic conspiracy discord is created, where notable figures get together to hash out their stories so they all sound 'credible' by being similar. Jessie is there, Marchi is there, and Plant is there.
Jessie tries to start her part but crashes and burns because she's an idiot. Literally Who makes an accusation of Vic that is sort of credible, and a bunch of other voice actors like Jamie McGonigal jump on and signal boost, starting to cause real damage to Vic's reputation. Various other nobodies start jumping in as well, but as they're nobodies, it doesn't help much. A bunch of articles start dropping, but no one cares what tabloids have to say.
Vic has been fired from Funimation and Roosterteeth, and Funimation is forcing cons to drop him, but at this point he still hasn't been ruined. He has plenty of work opportunity with the other dubbing studios, and Funimation can't lean on every con, nor can they do it every year. They need to kill this man...'s reputation. So Monica steps in, with all of the good will and fan support she built up slapping down that woman who called Dragonball sexist.
It gets her absolutely nowhere, and she panics and runs away from twitter for all of a day. Probably what happened here is that she conferred with Sabat about what to do, because Literally Who wasn't doing enough to ruin Vic's reputation. Was that Literally Who Jamie Marchi, or was it some person that's so irrelevant she stopped talking after being one of the first people to come out as a Vic accuser? Can't remember. Anyway, Monica comes back the next day and proudly declares 'IT HAPPENED TO ME'.
As a follow up punch, (or slightly before, it's about the same time, though) Funimation breaks its promise to Vic and openly announces they've fired him with very strong implications they did it because rape. This combo is so convincing that some VAs seem to actually believe it. Those that don't are kept silent by Sabat's iron fist. A bunch of random people try to be important and do nothing but make their plan more obvious.
And here is the end of their plan. Vic has been 100% betrayed and demoralized, fired from his main jobs, thrown out of conventions, and his reputation turned to mud by now credible sounding accusations by - not randos, but VAs - so other dubbing companies will pause before they try to get him, and most conventions won't risk picking him up, since now Monica and others can pull the 'I'm unsafe' card as extortion.
Thus, they took the violent plan to get Vic out, because their gentle touch failed. This is why Vic is so sideswiped by the mass betrayal. They were trying to 'gently' oust him, choking him out of the industry while maintaining the veneer of friendship with him so they'd come out smelling like roses and he'd be none-the-wiser. Once that failed, they dropped their mask and went hard the opposite direction, because their plan couldn't work otherwise.
Of course Vic's fans were around still, idiots like Inoue-hart did serious damage to their plan's credibility, but they couldn't really do anything effective. They'd get angry and accuse people, but be unable to prove it and unable to enact any change, and Vic probably would just collapse or die before anyone could hope to even try to rectify things via fan pressure. Then some drunk lawyer showed up and ruined it all.
tl;dr - I think I've worked out the conspiracy timeline, and I'm pretty confident Allison Cooke and Kaylyn were not opportunities that Sabat & co happened to jump on. They were orchestrated, even if those two idiots don't know it themselves. And I suspect it's probably Dominique who is the connection. #kickvic was mostly a smokescreen to cover up their shady behavior early on, and only when people started to resist that did they bring in the big guns and torpedo Vic's reputation completely.
I still don't know why Tammi ran a blatantly faulty investigation and approved Vic's firing over nothing, though. It probably traces back to Sabat somehow.
If I'm at all right, then it might be possible to repair Vic's reputation, because it means the entire situation, not just Monica's garbage lies, was manufactured. I know people will probably scoff about it being a 'big' conspiracy, but I rather suspect the 'outer face' of kickvic weren't really 'part' of the conspiracy, they were just the tools that Sabat and whatever group he actually has in Funimation used. The real size of the conspiring group is likely small, with the rest of the participants unwitting or unwilling.
Good theory, but I dont think Allison is involved. She and her fujoshits have been tweeting about vic for years. I doubt they expected the kiwi inquisition either.
Rooster Teeth got bought out by a Time Warner subsidiary, if memory serves. So they may be in the same boat. If Clownfish TV is to be believed, they are at risk of being combined with Warner Animation.
I more meant it doesn't work with rooster teeth because rooster teeth doesn't do dubs. they make original content. Even if they're absorbed by warner, all that means is they're western and its the same problem.
So, after Ron's deposition has been publicized and his tweets are now authenticated by the court, what will that say for Funimation's TCPA? I ask this because according to it, Funimation claims their employees acted autonimously, yet there are tweets of him claiming that he talked and worked directly with the funimation staff.
I think it's in his best interest that MoRon are found to be employees of Funimation. He's not on the side of Funimation. If Funimation escape at TCPA stage then who's going to be around with money to pay the near inevitable judgement against his broke ass clients.
The stories told in the deposition? None of them. Outside the deposition? There's the most recent and single story of Vic apparently making a jailbait joke to a FtM troon at the apparent age of 10. Yet, the most that came out of it was that the dad was somehow able to get his room comped by the hotel.
That person also claimed that their 2 older male cousins attacked her and groped her tits at like 13 and the family members blamed her, thinks that the world is against her because she dyes her hair blue, and that old people hate her because she wears anime shirts. So take the accusation with a grain of salt. They're a emotionally unstable blue hair, attention seeking the max, and have a massive victim complex.
Sounds really familiar actually
That person also claimed that their 2 older male cousins attacked her and groped her tits at like 13 and the family members blamed her, thinks that the world is against her because she dyes her hair blue, and that old people hate her because she wears anime shirts. So take the accusation with a grain of salt. They're a emotionally unstable blue hair, attention seeking the max, and have a massive victim complex.
Sounds really familiar actually
When I've gone out drinking and partying, I've made some...questionable choices. Banged a chick dressed as a literal clown once in an after hours club.
