Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[Padoru]

What are the odds these TCPAs will actually pass? I was hoping to watch a bloodbath 8 months down the road. Would be a shame if all this was dismissed...

as just some random faggot i would say 2% that it passes. At best. And this only if everybody in the courthouse has a collective stroke and just wakes up WOKE AF

 

[ES 195]

Wow, that's certainly... a take.

While I find the allegations of sexual assault from clowns like Rial and Marchi to be highly dubious at best, I don't find any reason to question the credibility of Vic's ex-fiance particularly when in his responses to her he doesn't even deny a single thing she says about him.

You are right about one thing, though. It all could have been avoided with a simple discussion. One in which Vic says to his girlfriend and then fiance "hey, while I go on tour I bang lots of women and hire prostitutes, does that bother you?", but he didn't. He hid it from her. And he didn't hide it from her because he cared about her, he hid it from her because she was his long-term bang that cleaned the house, cooked his meals and catered to his every whim. He wasn't preserving her immediate feelings, he was a coward that didn't want to have to choose between having a stable and honest relationship with her or banging convention groupies that were nothing to him but weekend ass. When it comes to Vic's relationship with Michele, Vic comes across as a deceitful asshole. I'm pretty sure that the only thing she'd have been wrong about was believing Vic when he said he was committed to their relationship.

My takeaway from this is that is seems very unlikely Vic was raping anybody. It sounds like he was doing just fine without needing to resort to surprise sex.

Does make a stronger argument for the sex addict thing though, not that it has much to do with the allegations.

 

[I can't imagine]

So now that the TCPAs are filed, everyone involved are celebrating and doing the congratulatory rounds of thanking everyone involved from ANN, Hunt, Superlolyers, MarzGurl, Terez, and the others for their good fight and finally seeing this to the end which are all being cataloged in their own threads.

If the TCPA fails is this going to be Election Night 2016 levels of meltdown again?

I dunno. I feel like they might just pretend like the TCPA never happened and move on to immediately talking about how Vic can definitely not win in a jury trial. It'll probably be easier for them to pretend the failure never existed than to acknowledge it.

 

[Notspecialdude]

Wow, that's certainly... a take.

While I find the allegations of sexual assault from clowns like Rial and Marchi to be highly dubious at best, I don't find any reason to question the credibility of Vic's ex-fiance particularly when in his responses to her he doesn't even deny a single thing she says about him.

You are right about one thing, though. It all could have been avoided with a simple discussion. One in which Vic says to his girlfriend and then fiance "hey, while I go on tour I bang lots of women and hire prostitutes, does that bother you?", but he didn't. He hid it from her. And he didn't hide it from her because he cared about her, he hid it from her because she was his long-term bang that cleaned the house, cooked his meals and catered to his every whim. He wasn't preserving her immediate feelings, he was a coward that didn't want to have to choose between having a stable and honest relationship with her or banging convention groupies that were nothing to him but weekend ass. When it comes to Vic's relationship with Michele, Vic comes across as a deceitful asshole. I'm pretty sure that the only thing she'd have been wrong about was believing Vic when he said he was committed to their relationship.

Theres one fact that keeps me from entertaining this perceptive as more then improbable. It wasn't the opening salvo.

If this was the start, if this was the story that triggered the whole controversy then maybe we wouldnt have gotten to this point. But its telling that we are learning of this now.

 

[booyahhh]

My takeaway from this is that is seems very unlikely Vic was raping anybody. It sounds like he was doing just fine without needing to resort to surprise sex.

Does make a stronger argument for the sex addict thing though, not that it has much to do with the allegations.

I think it's most likely that Vic's encounters were all consensual.

That said, what I am beginning to understand is why the people who worked with or around Vic started to hate him. A lot of people, especially women, are going to feel a bit of empathy for someone in a relationship with a significant other that is brazenly cheating on them. My guess is that it just got to a point where they just despised him for it and wanted him gone.

 

[ES 195]

I think it's most likely that Vic's encounters were all consensual.

That said, what I am beginning to understand is why the people who worked with or around Vic started to hate him. A lot of people, especially women, are going to feel a bit of empathy for someone in a relationship with a significant other that is brazenly cheating on them. My guess is that it just got to a point where they just despised him for it and wanted him gone.

Still sounds like jealousy to me. Imagine working with a handsome, super great guy who will fuck almost anything but you. Which is what I hope this all stems from since it then makes Ron angry Vic didn't fuck his wife.

 

[Pixis]

Rial et al's TCPA is a functional Gish gallop by virtue of its size, and on top of that it's a repository for defamation to spam across Twitter. It seeks to air all of Vic's dirty laundry even if it doesn't have anything to do with the case. They at once care and don't care about the original allegations. Instead of responding in horror like you would expect them to do in their supposed indignation, they ridicule him at every single opportunity regardless of the relevance of their derision to the worst of what he's been accused of. The force of the collection of affidavits is through its number rather than its contents, as most of the affidavits allege irrelevant information and/or hearsay, and some even directly contradict each other and/or established facts. As it's been said repeatedly, this is literally them continuing their defamation under the protection of privilege-- they're abusing the legal process to continue their illegal crap. The page count is supposed to be a demoralizer not only for Vic, but for the fanbase that supports them, even though in reality, they've produced nothing new of substance.

The purpose of the filing, and the filing itself, are both disgusting, and everyone involved is a nasty person.

Their TCPA in and of itself establishes that the defendants intentions are malicious in nature. Now, due to it being privileged it may not be able to be used against them in an official capacity, but any sane individual can see the writing on the wall just by reading the cover page alone. I'm almost confident that the judge will see this as well, and their little stunt they pulled with their shitshow of a TCPA filing will come back to bite them in the ass.

 

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Is this considered the tie breaker in the case? if he for instance testifies and says "shes a fucking liar and that didnt happen" what happens then?

They immediately MeToo him and start up a defamation rumor campaign about how he's best friends with Vic and agreed to lie for him or somesuch.

I kid, but not really: The immediate tactic would be to attack his reputation.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

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The defendants coming out at great consequence to themselves and their lies is absolutely correct. What an astute observation in the spedthread.

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Gotta love how healthy sexual life of a male is suddenly a sex addiction.

 

[Mrannon]

How do you find the source video on this tweet, would like to see it archived before it disappears into the ether.

Michael Jackson (Caster) on Twitter

“So... What’s this about Vic Mignonga being anti-gay and homophobic? ‘Cause last I checked, he loves everyone so much he defends them from radical Christians like these at anime conventions. #IStandWithVic https://t.co/QJJ5RNg1xg”

twitter.com

NM found it.

Anime VA Vic Mignogna Tells Off "Christian" Protesters

Voice actor and devoted christian Vic Mignogna tells off "christian" protesters at Triad Anime Con in Winston Salem, North Carolina

www.youtube.com

 

[ColtWalker1847]

What are the odds these TCPAs will actually pass? I was hoping to watch a bloodbath 8 months down the road. Would be a shame if all this was dismissed...

It's, what, 575 pages. about 550 of them are just copy-pasted shit from PULL, ANN, and affidavits from such luminaries as Professional Contrarian. Of the 25-ish pages that they bothered to type only 3 or so appear to be an effort at a motion to dismiss. The rest is just a highlight reel of the 550+ pages of shit they attached slagging Vic.

I give it 3 to 575 odds.

 

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Random thought. Could Chupp make a motion to seal that TCPA filing, if he decides it was done in complete bad faith? If they can't cite the filing as it's not publicly available, it wouldn't be privileged, would it?

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Holy fuck, that first paragraph. You can just FEEL the insane cat lady radiating off of it.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Does anyone really think that this whole "Not a real Christian" angle would fly with the jury, especially in the contrast with the defendants?

 

[ES 195]

Does anyone really think that this whole "Not a real Christian" angle would fly with the jury, especially in the contrast with the defendants?

I don't think so. Anytime someone brings up "Not a real Christian" it comes off so disingenuous. It's just a stupid, smarmy response retards use because they think it's some kind of gotcha even though it completely ignores human nature and one of the greater intents of the religion. And I'm pretty sure a lot of Christian/Catholics have been getting sick of that response since the fedora-tipping atheist movement.

 

[AnCapFool]

Does anyone really think that this whole "Not a real Christian" angle would fly with the jury, especially in the contrast with the defendants?

"No true Scotsman" is a fallacy for a reason.

 

[feral cat #6385]

Given the way she ended her initial email, I think that between the two of them, they were Christian enough that they weren't having sex, so I'm wary of suggesting that none of this would have happened if she put out.

The fact that's she's cooperating with people who very clearly want this man to do a flip and are making claims that are demonstrably false with even cursory scrutiny (or otherwise imply them to be degenerates that aided and abetted a predator for decades) by providing details that are completely irrelevant to everyone that isn't her and him honestly leads me to not give a damn about what she feels. She can stay mad, honestly, if this is the crap she's willing to pull when this guy's dealing with people calling him a pedorapist for no good reason.

It's like high school never ended for these people...

Ain't no guy got time for that shit. The Christian bullshit ends at not getting your dick wet. It's real simple, if a woman isn't giving up the puss puss on a regular basis a guy is gonna look for it elsewhere.

You know, Michele Specht reminds me of Heidi from the whole Projared fiasco...

Most (not all) women are dumb, childlike, short sighted, petty, creatures who act 100% on emotion and cause huge swaths of destruction in one's life.. Rent, don't buy.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

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Congratulations, they managed to establish that Vic was in the same geographical area as this random bint at the time she claims he made a pass at her.

Not even as a teacher in the area.

I notice that this whole McConnell fiasco is completely dependent on proving that Vic was in a similar position of space as her rather than proving that he even knew her or did anything to her, let alone worked in the position they claim he did seeing as it's not on his resumé.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

I don't think so. Anytime someone brings up "Not a real Christian" it comes off so disingenuous. It's just a stupid, smarmy response exceptional individuals use because they think it's some kind of gotcha even though it completely ignores human nature and one of the greater intents of the religion. And I'm pretty sure a lot of Christian/Catholics have been getting sick of that response since the fedora-tipping atheist movement.

Most "real christians" are just regular people that believe but arent a part of an organized church. They/we arent 'in your face' with it and most of the time, you'd never know we were because we just go about our business and let others go about theirs until it goes "militant athiest". Then they can pound salt.

Whe I hear "not a real christian" I usually laugh at the fool because how the hell does a non christian think they get to set the rules to who is or isn't what? Yea, it's annoying...right until the source is considered. Then it's just funny.

 

[AnCapFool]

If Vic isn't a real christian, then these accusers are not real feminists.

 

[P5Fever]

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