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I haven't paid much attention to that Emmett Plant guy, so I'm probably late, but TUG's twitter just drew my attention to this old tweet of his. "Locks of love". What a fucking weirdo. Poor Vic really attracted a lot of crazies throughout his career.

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So we already knew this guy was a nutjob and probably lying but this seals the deal. Apparently he had a gay crush on Vic and was rebuffed.
 
I don't know hardly any English VAs besides those because female English VAs typically drive me absolutely insane with how shrill the voices are. I've watched Steins;gate, some of MHA, spice and wolf in English outside of the old toonami classics like Trigun, Bebop, YuYu, GitS etc. Easily thousands of hours watching anime, but America isn't sending their best so I typically just stick to subs. I'll check those guys out though, thanks for the rec.

That amuses me, since Japanese friends of mine say they can't listen to english dubs due to the women all having voices that are too deep, and I personally find the female Japanese seiyuu to be annoyingly shrill.

Hold the fuck up, you're saying that the guys behind two of the biggest dicks in Fate and the guy who voices Shirou are acting the most mature during this whole shitstorm? Excuse me while I laugh myself into a coma and never wake up for the next 40 years.

I'm so glad someone else caught that. Kirei and Gilgamesh and Shirou have become the good guy trio while All-Might runs a secret conspiracy to destroy an innocent man. Without David and/or Bryce, Vic would have had no contact with his fans at all (outside of some emails, I would guess, but his email is much less well known) until Kamehacon.
 
Don't buy into that whole 'the entire industry wants him dead and gone' narrative kickvic pushes. In reality most of the industry knows this is radioactive and won't touch it, and the people jumping in are mostly has-beens, wannabes, and people who are closely connected to Monica/Sabat. If you don't know enough VAs who aren't into kickvic, it's because you're only following that tiny funi clique.

Actually I think it's even smaller. There's a number of Funimation voice actors who haven't said a single thing about this whole controversy. I find that very interesting considering how easy it was to dunk on him when this started. Nowadays you can claim it's because of all the attention this is getting and the risk of being sued, but for a good month before Nick and the other people stepped in it was open season on Vic.. yet there were Funimation VAs who said nothing. It's optimistic to hope for some secret pro-Vic group in Funimation, and maybe they're just smart enough to play this by ear and realize there's no good reason to be jumping in on this, but it's something I've noticed.

The biggest surprise to me is Sonny Strait. Despite that Vic Mignogna parody video he did, he's actually been pretty neutral and respectful, even going so far as to defend Vic kissing and hugging fans. As for the other accusation he specifically states that those are none of his business and it's between those women and Vic.
 
I haven't paid much attention to that Emmett Plant guy, so I'm probably late, but TUG's twitter just drew my attention to this old tweet of his. "Locks of love". What a fucking weirdo. Poor Vic really attracted a lot of crazies throughout his career.

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Oh really Emmett? Remember, you were bragging about how the only personal contact you had with Vic on your phone was his phone number for Star Trek... Would be a real fucking shame if there was a subpoena issued to the carrier about your SIM card contacts or CDMA to Verizon to see if you actually did have him as a contact.

Would be a real fucking shame to find out if you did or not because he said he doesn't even know who you are in his deposition....

Fucking nobody.....

hahahahha

Tipsy Tea Cup has internet again. Let the timelines resume piece of shit.
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That amuses me, since Japanese friends of mine say they can't listen to english dubs due to the women all having voices that are too deep, and I personally find the female Japanese seiyuu to be annoyingly shrill.



I'm so glad someone else caught that. Kirei and Gilgamesh and Shirou have become the good guy trio while All-Might runs a secret conspiracy to destroy an innocent man. Without David and/or Bryce, Vic would have had no contact with his fans at all (outside of some emails, I would guess, but his email is much less well known) until Kamehacon.

Crispin Freeman also voiced the character Albedo in Xenosaga where the character tortured a girl.

I'm not dragging the guy. The performance is amazing. Just saying Japan has shipped us some weird, disturbing shit.
 
They hated him cheating on and lying to Michelle so much that they refused to ever tell her so and actively tried to get in his pants. Makes sense.





Have you two never heard of Crispin Freeman? The classiest guy in the anime dubbing industry, who got into things specifically because he saw what a bad reputation dubs had and wanted to make it more professional? This guy who is so much class he can backtalk to crazy fujos and the sub vs dub war and they can't do anything about it, because everything just rolls off of him? He voices Alucard, Itachi, Winston (the gorilla), and Kirei Kotomine.

David Vincent is another pretty swell guy. You may know him as the voice of Grimmjow, Gilgamesh, or Robin in Fire Emblem/Smash, depending on your flavor of nerd. You might also know him as the CEO of Unlocked, or 'that dude who refused to drop Vic from his streaming app even during the absolute height of kickvic'. He also regularly hosts 'Voice Acting 101' panels where he calls up random volunteers and takes them through the steps of how to voice act in anime, makes them say silly lines in silly voices, and has them (voice) act out a few silly scenes.

Related, Bryce Papenbrook - voice of every shounen protagonist - hasn't actually said anything on twitter (at least that he hasn't since deleted) on the matter at all, despite his name occasionally coming up as someone who might benefit from Vic's firing. He's also the other half of Unlocked, which as mentioned kept Vic in contact with his fans and making money even when every convention but Matsuri had cut him off.

These three have said not one single word on the matter because they have no need to kiss Sabat's hindquarters to be successful. The closest any of them have come to it is Crispin Freeman making a civil response to that insane boycott of Ryan Kopf. If you went digging through more VA feeds, particularly LA ones, you'd find others who also refused to comment on it (simply liking a tweet is a rather weak endorsement of it, as that doesn't appear on anyone's feed but the people mentioned in it so trying to slog through their 'likes' is rather too much effort for effect)

Don't buy into that whole 'the entire industry wants him dead and gone' narrative kickvic pushes. In reality most of the industry knows this is radioactive and won't touch it, and the people jumping in are mostly has-beens, wannabes, and people who are closely connected to Monica/Sabat. If you don't know enough VAs who aren't into kickvic, it's because you're only following that tiny funi clique.




Sabat voices All-Might and Captain Yami, too. Which sucks, because his voice acting is on-point for them, and particularly with AM's case really embodies the character to the point that his removal will be detrimental to the show's dub. But he just had to go for Vic because he couldn't also voice Broly. It's tragic in every direction.
I agree that it isn't the whole industry that wants him dead. But the problem is one of simple optics and power. Power resides with those who show up, and KickVic showed up, so even if there is a great power base within the industry if they do not speak out or make it known its rather aenemic. Even if the other VAs are either staying out of it to protect their careers, or only giving lip service by Liking posts, they are all LA or Austin based, hardly bastions of anti-SJW thought. So a lack of public statement means nothing beyond the slim hope of sanity. Public statements are just confirmation. Its why I worry over Mercer, the man is a ball of empathy, and with even slightly left leaning politics, the easy empathy sink is the accusers, not the accused.

Call me cynical, but even though those few you named are great actors, but they either didn't show up, or simply aren't the same caliber of celebrity as Marchi or Rial or Sabat or Tatum.

Edit; Thats the best description of Papanbrook I've ever had the pleasure of reading. And hopefully after this is over those VAs who you reminded me of will join Trina and such in a rebuilt industry. They are great guys, but my reservations on their true positions remain.
 
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I haven't paid much attention to that Emmett Plant guy, so I'm probably late, but TUG's twitter just drew my attention to this old tweet of his. "Locks of love". What a fucking weirdo. Poor Vic really attracted a lot of crazies throughout his career.

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Emmet is one of those sad creatures that (like many of the KickVic people) seem to have spent their entire lives trying to achieve Nerd Famous status but never managed to get a seat at the table.

To date, his most notable achievement is working as an audio engineer for the abridged audiobook versions of Star Trek tie-in novels.
 
fuck that got me too..you cant fake that kind of compassion and understanding and to see Vic continue to support him
over a long period.
Note that Vic said in that last video in the thread 'I'll give you a big hug..if thats ok with you" (:_(
The man is really trying to improve himself, in all his interactions..if his detractors could really think on this,
they'd see him as the role model on how to act and grow from the smallest of mistakes..
Honestly, you'd be hard pressed to convince anyone that a man that makes a nigger faggot, who cosplays as autistic worst girl Rei as a life choice, feel worthwhile is anything but genuine. That thing's dad is 100% right for disowning, but Vic is proven to be a genuinely kind person to his and society's detriment.
 
but his email is much less well known) until Kamehacon.
"Victhewop" is a meme onto itself.

Also, it's interesting to note that people who probably had more physical interaction with (the LA crew) haven't had any strong words for Vic.

It's optimistic to hope for some secret pro-Vic group in Funimation, and maybe they're just smart enough to play this by ear and realize there's no good reason to be jumping in on this, but it's something I've noticed.
Nick has all but confirmed that there are VAs who are on Vic's side and/or hate the anti-Vic VAs.
 
Actually I think it's even smaller. There's a number of Funimation voice actors who haven't said a single thing about this whole controversy. I find that very interesting considering how easy it was to dunk on him when this started. Nowadays you can claim it's because of all the attention this is getting and the risk of being sued, but for a good month before Nick and the other people stepped in it was open season on Vic.. yet there were Funimation VAs who said nothing. It's optimistic to hope for some secret pro-Vic group in Funimation, and maybe they're just smart enough to play this by ear and realize there's no good reason to be jumping in on this, but it's something I've noticed.

The biggest surprise to me is Sonny Strait. Despite that Vic Mignogna parody video he did, he's actually been pretty neutral and respectful, even going so far as to defend Vic kissing and hugging fans. As for the other accusation he specifically states that those are none of his business and it's between those women and Vic.

Sonny is interesting, because even when he had chips in the game he was liking tweets that wanted de-escalation of the situation. He seems like the kind of guy who would have gone along with Chuck's offer and been happy to put it all in his past.

According to Nick, there is a secret pro-Vic section of Funimation, and evidence points to the same in RT.

Crispin Freeman also voiced the character Albedo in Xenosaga where the character tortured a girl.

I'm not dragging the guy. The performance is amazing. Just saying Japan has shipped us some weird, disturbing shit.

Crispin has voiced the whole gamut. He's more along the lines of what people would like Vic to be in terms of power and influence due to his prolific work and how long he's been in the industry.

I agree that it isn't the whole industry that wants him dead. But the problem is one of simple optics and power. Power resides with those who show up, and KickVic showed up, so even if there is a great power base within the industry if they do not speak out or make it known its rather aenemic. Even if the other VAs are either staying out of it to protect their careers, or only giving lip service by Liking posts, they are all LA or Austin based, hardly bastions of anti-SJW thought. So a lack of public statement means nothing beyond the slim hope of sanity. Public statements are just confirmation. Its why I worry over Mercer, the man is a ball of empathy, and with even slightly left leaning politics, the easy empathy sink is the accusers, not the accused.

Call me cynical, but even though those few you named are great actors, but they either didn't show up, or simply aren't the same caliber of celebrity as Marchi or Rial or Sabat or Tatum.

Honestly it's completely unreasonable to expect anyone who isn't a personal, close friend of Vic's to speak out. Voice actors stand to gain absolutely nothing by supporting Vic. The moment that they do, even if they aren't under Sabat's thumb, they get the Langdon treatment. Sure people like Crispin probably won't be affected in any serious way by it, because he's just so damn classy, but what's the upshot? Kaiserneko, who leans kickvic, even explained it plainly in an early tweet about it. Doing that kind of thing just pointlessly invites controversy and provides no benefit for the person doing it. If I recall, even Reuban was directly asked about it in an interview, he didn't just jump out on twitter all "hashtag ISWV!!". With kickvic the actors don't just get the buttpats from their side, they also get an in with Sabat, and will end up with better roles in the future if things go his way. Who do they get an in with if they stand up for Vic? What new roles will they receive? What offsets the price they pay for jumping into the controversy and getting muddy?

People compare this to Johnny Depp where his friends in the industry spoke out, but with Johnny he had actual criminal complaints against him and (manipulated) video evidence. He needed their support. And even then they overplay who was involved.

Sure, it would be nice for Vic for these people to jump to his rescue, but they can support him just fine by privately emailing him, or by keeping him on their platform so he can keep making money and talking directly to his fans. It's not like ISWV is a ghost town that needs their voice. All that can happen for them is getting angry fujos on their tails, and people constantly trying to blackmail cons to get them fired. Would you want that idiot Crimson Chin calling up every con you go to for the next year?

I think Carey's advice applies equally to KC and ISWV VAs: silence is golden. Pointedly not talking about it in and of itself helps to ruin the KV narrative that everyone knew and couldn't speak out until now.

"Victhewop" is a meme onto itself.

Also, it's interesting to note that people who probably had more physical interaction with (the LA crew) haven't had any strong words for Vic.

It's certainly memorable. But I think KF itself only found out the name around the time of the depo video. Apparently it's publicly available, but I don't know where.

I think it says something that out of the LA crew the only two I know of who've dipped their toe were Yuri Lowenthal (he retweeted #bethere) and Steve Blum who threw Vic right under the bus. Really makes you wonder what's different about Steve from the rest of the LA crew.
 
At the end of this, how I feel it will go over for KickVic.

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They know they can't fuck with Reuben Langdon, so they'll go with the VA with the least renown like the bullies they are. And yeah, that's what you are KickVic, a bunch of fucking anime convention and ADV bullies. I hope Huber is vindicated for this shit, he's only one of the few from Funimation that aren't part of the damn circus that are actually sane, along with Laura Bailey and her husband. I already want fucking heads to roll, so I want pure humiliation and humble pie for everyone. (edited for grammar)
 
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Stan beating the literal dogshit out of Monica's stories on Twitter is fucking amazing. He is burning that bitch at the stake and these KV dumpster people couldnt be more livid if they tried. They were so for Stan before his affidavit. Now they're saying his testimony hardly matters. They're out here playing games instead of seeking the truth and justice they paraded about before the fucking suit. Yet they're supposed to be the good guys.
 
I think it says something that out of the LA crew the only two I know of who've dipped their toe were Yuri Lowenthal (he retweeted #bethere) and Steve Blum who threw Vic right under the bus. Really makes you wonder what's different about Steve from the rest of the LA crew.
Didn't Blum cheat on his ex to get with his current wife/gf now? I could see him projecting a lot of his own insecurities on Vic because of that.
 
Didn't Blum cheat on his ex to get with his current wife/gf now? I could see him projecting a lot of his own insecurities on Vic because of that.
From what we've seen there's been a fuckload of projecting going on. Everytime someone flings something at Vic there's always decent evidence that it's something wrong they've felt/done/wanted to do. It's pretty creepy at this point.
 
Stan beating the literal dogshit out of Monica's stories on Twitter is fucking amazing. He is burning that bitch at the stake and these KV dumpster people couldnt be more livid if they tried. They were so for Stan before his affidavit. Now they're saying his testimony hardly matters. They're out here playing games instead of seeking the truth and justice they paraded about before the fucking suit. Yet they're supposed to be the good guys.

Steve's Twitter feed was like mostly Trump bitching last I checked. Not really surprising.
 
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