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[MirrorNoir]

Forcing people to buy insurance from insurance companies isn't a universal public healthcare system lol.

Obamacare was a horribly flawed bill that was passed because A. The democrats had to pass SOMETHING less it be a huge failure that poisons the well from ever discussing health care reform for another 20 years (and potentially deep six Obama) B. It had just enough little things (getting rid of pre-existing conditions rules, lifetime caps, among other things) to serve as a sort of anti-poison pill to keep it from being overturned which.... C. fixed just enough shit on the surface that, like DADT, it would over time become a trojan horse of sorts to basically lead to M4A down the line as far as causing the next generation or so to make a renewed push to change Obamacare into full-on M4A.

Making everyone buy insurance was Obama shamelessly pandering to the insurance companies in a desperate bid to get them to let him have the win and not rape him, buck breaking style, in front of the whole world by having their bought and paid for Congressmen kill health care reform, but also fund unlimited funds into Romney to defeat Obama in 2012.

 

[Marissa Moira]

I'm less amused. If you are imprisoning people, I think you do assume some responsibility for their welfare.

We're giving them a free ride back to where they came from.

 

[AprilRains]

We're giving them a free ride back to where they came from.

And until they're there, I think a minimum of civilized amenities should be provided. Soap is a dead minimum IMO. We're not that damn poor.

 

[Adamska]

And until they're there, I think a minimum of civilized amenities should be provided. Soap is a dead minimum IMO. We're not that damn poor.

Tell that to the Dems who stonewall improving amenities so they can use the detention centers that their former president fucking built to try and fail to thwack Trump on it.

 

[AprilRains]

Tell that to the Dems who stonewall improving amenities so they can use the detention centers that their former president fucking built to try and fail to thwack Trump on it.

Gladly! I'm happy to bring that responsibility home to them.

I care more about being decent than about who's to blame. I understand having a different emphasis, but I'm unlikely to connect strongly with it.

 

[Ghostse]

Lusitania didn't do anything to get us into WW1. Pissed people off, but Lusitania was carrying arms and most Americans chalked it up as people tempting fate and the US still refused to get directly involved, in favor of helping the Allied Powers financially via war loans and munition sales.

It was the Zimmerman Note that actually was the inciting incident that got us into the war. And even then, that was due to the Brits playing Wilson like a fiddle* to manipulate him into declaring war.

(*For those not aware, the Zimmerman note was intercepted documents that the Brits had obtained that Germany had sent Mexico, who at the time had several high profile border skirmishes with the US, to the point that Wilson had the bulk of the US army forces at the US/Mexican border. Germany was sick of America basically funding the entire Allied effort via loans, as the British and French forces were borrowing millions from the US to keep their governments afloat and keep the military afloat. To cut off the US money flow, Germany offered a deal with Mexico: basically invade the US and conquer the Southwest and keep America occupied so they couldn't send money to the Allied Powers, then have Germany basically back them up on the international stage as far as acknowledging them as rightful owners of any and all US states they conquer/reabsorb into Mexico. And if necessary, support them militarily, as the Germans felt if the US couldn't send the Brits/French any more money due to a Mexican invasion/war, that the Allied Powers would collapse or sue for peace, that would leave Germany victorious. Mexico turned them down, but the offer was left open by the Germans in the event Mexico ever changed their minds.

The British had the telegraphs, but purposely sat on them for a while due to Wilson cynically campaigning on a neutrality platform in 1916. Once Wilson was re-elected and enough time had passed, they dropped the documents into his lap and this would be the excuse Wilson needed to officially plunge the US into World War 1.

Actually it wasn't the release to the Telegrams that did it, it was the Germans confirming them that did them in, as until they confirmed it many Irish & German populations, as well as most anti-war factions, believed it to be a British incitement.

The fact Germany had reopened "unrestricted Submarine warfare" though definitely didn't help, but the general initial response to that had, largely, been to give the Germans what they wanted, namely a halt to trans-atlantic American-flagged shipping.

Spoiler: How the brits got the telegrams

Shortly after the outbreak of hostilities, the British severed the German telegram lines to North America, which left them pretty well isolated; all of the trans-atlantic telegraph traffic now went through relay stations in Ireland and Scotland.

Wilson, the proto-cuck he was, agreed to allow the German Embassy to use the American diplomatic cable to communicate with the fatherland, to allow the German diplomats to coordinate during the peace talks he kept trying arrange with the Brits. The Germans were supposed to be required to send all communications in the clear, but the coded Zimmerman telegram was permitted (by either a fuckin retard or a Brit-o-phile madman, take your pick).

It was this use diplomatic cable access that the Germans used to send the Zimmerman telegram, and the perceived treachery that pushed a few senators (or forced them by public sentiment) to declare war. The message would have generated much less outrage had it not used access granted it by the country it was conspiring against.

The Brits, because the traffic came through stations they owned, had been intercepting US diplomatic traffic since the start of the war. The Germans sent the telegram in an old code that the Brits had broken. So part of the fun the Brits had once they got the telegram was giving it to the Americans in a way that wouldn't out the fact they'd been snoping diplomatic messages for years. (Its an interesting read if you like history, I'd recommend looking it up)

The Germans admitted to the Telegrams, because it wasn't a direct offer to invade the US - it was Germany promising assistance & rewards to Mexico (and also Japan, who had joined the allies during WWI to support the British, who they were BFFs with at the time) to join the Axis and invade the US should the US side with the Allies.

Their admission was supposed to scare the US into remaining neutral.
It went over about as well as you'd expect.

There are so many hilarious ways about how tone deaf the offer was, but this is enough WWI talk.

 

[Marissa Moira]

To be fair they don't even use soap in their home countries.

 

[SmileyTimeDayCare]

Jesus what a little bitch this guy is.
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Stelter should be forced to use a picture from the no chin current era.

Poltitico misquoting.
What Robert meant was "We can take the town of Texas, California from Trump. It has a population of 10, so just have to bus 20 illegals in to flip it blue for good."

Francis couldn't even take Texas from Cruz. Every time that fucking twerp opens his mouth I want to jam magic dirt in it.

For what it's worth, he was alive as of May this year, he's got a 3 year old daughter now.

Sadly, as optimistic as everyone is, the odds say she'll probably never really know her father, but... shrug, Life is a bitch sometimes.

Hey the guy is walking down stairs so he has a better chance to see 2021 than AL!

Tenemos un problema
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Traducción:
Trump’s immigration policies are an assault on human dignity. We are not a country that denies children soap and toothbrushes. This is not who we are.

Biden necesita parar con el español. Biden no entiende la gente de los Estados Unidos. Obama ha deportado más personas que todos los presidentes.

Traducción:
Biden needs to stop with the Spanish. Biden does not understand the people of the United States. Obama has deported more people than all of the presidents.

Tl;dr
All this Spanish does is come across as shameless pandering. It’s weird when I use it in this context and it is just as exceptional when Biden and other candidates use it.

Gosh it is almost like the system was overwhelmed because the DNC denied funding while somebody was whipping up caravan after caravan that had support vehicles and throngs of well fed(read as fat) invaders charging the border!

It wasn't "essentially" like that, that's literally what it was.

HRC and the DNC's platform for decades has been I'm just like you so I'll help you out! Which has always been a lie and I think Trump going after Cummings so hard is about showing that No, these people don't care about you. They're just using you to enrich themselves while your towns continue to crumble.

If true it is a brilliant strategy and something that needed to be done. St. Louis, Camden, Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, Newark, Trenton, pick a CA city and on and on the list goes. Dem run cities that had a history of being great cities but have been in decline for decades and are now either completely engulfed in shit or have pockets of decay so virulent they will eventually win out.

I'm less amused. If you are imprisoning people, I think you do assume some responsibility for their welfare.

Fair enough but how do you have enough for everyone when everyone is thousands over your capacity and Dems in DC are sitting on your funding?

I have a tough time assigning blame to the agencies holding people responsible for not having enough soap when the were intentionally deprived of money to buy soap.

 

[AprilRains]

Fair enough but how do you have enough for everyone when everyone is thousands over your capacity and Dems in DC are sitting on your funding?

I have a tough time holding the agencies holding people responsible for not having enough soap when the were intentionally deprived of money to buy soap.

As I said above, I'm happy to put that responsibility where it belongs. The Democrats are taking hostages. The April Rains administration does not make deals with hostage takers.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

Probably meant more for the Dem debates thread but NPR's news just said that all the Dem debaters were putting Biden in the bulli zone, and they want to know what the vice president had to do with sending all the spics back.

Trump is the eternal game of republican man bad, like when Nixon literally ended the Viet Nam War (at least for the USA) but he got blamed for it, because Republican man bad. Obama can do literally what Nixon did, and worse, re reporters, but that's ok, because BLACKMAN.

 

[TowinKarz]

Actually, Trump can do whatever he wants because he's the first Republican to embrace the hate the media doles out, he enjoys being hated because he realizes that if he could weather the first media assault, nothing would happen. They'd always managed to get Republicans in line by threatening to call them names like "racist" and for fear of their image, they'd back down.

Trump said "do it" they did it and now he just says "there you go again, sad" when they keep it up.

So having essentially whittled away those who will never vote for him in the first 5 minutes of his Administration, he has no reason to temper anything he says/does/proposes because he's going to get called names anyway, and ultimately, they won't affect him any more than has already happened.

 

[CamelCursive]

I'm less amused. If you are imprisoning people, I think you do assume some responsibility for their welfare.

If you're trying to cross a goddamned desert with children, and you didn't bring basic hygiene items- I think you're guilty of child endangerment. We're sympathizing over children- which is fine- but I personally wish people would realize that the people dragging them along are just using them as leverage.

Much like that Muslim that pitched his baby into the fucking ocean so he could get free veneers in Europe or something.

 

[Cloacan]

But calling Trump supporters and ice officials Nazis makes everyone safer, right? Running stories about how antifa has to arm up because the Nazis have guns makes everyone safer too?

Choke on a dick. I'm so glad the repubs stopped giving credence to this shit, instead of falling over themselves to apologise for their made up offense.

They still do that crap over phony claims of anti-semitism. You dont want to nuke Iran? Fucking anti-semite! You want to talk about Israel's scam agitations towards destroying Iran? No talking about Israel, anti-semite! Not so much of an improvement as it is their taking the temperature of their constituents and surfing the sanity tide to electoral excellence.

I should note that most people who support "Medicaid/Medicare for all" are people who fall into two categories:

1. People who got fucked over and fucked over HARD by their private insurance

2. Poor working class/middle class types who can't afford private insurance (and work jobs that don't offer insurance) but make too much money to qualify for Medicaid or are single (as some states outright bare you from Medicaid even if you are at the rock bottom poverty line)

The later are the biggest champions for M4A, because they LITERALLY have nothing and are pissed the fuck off that they play by the rules in life and are basically irrevocably fucked if they have a medical emergency of any kind that requires long term care and treatment; let alone an ER visit for something basic, which can take YEARS to pay off if ever.

Obamcare only made it worse for these people. Because they either got fucked over because they are in a red state that decided to refuse Medicaid expansion for spite and malice reasons. Or worse, being forced to buy lowest tier package they can afford, that doesn't offer anything of value, with Obama and company not giving one single solitary fuck WHATSOEVER that forcing them to buy said garbage insurance is going to trigger a financial apocalypse for that person and his family, because they barely make ends meet as it is and now have to give up a lot of stuff that they need to get buy, in order to pay for a shit plan that will still fuck them over just as if they didn't have it in the first place, if they get sick.

And the former are types who got fucked so fucking hard and had their asses destroyed by the insurance companies fucking them over; that they are willing to take their chances with Medicaid/Medicare simply because they can't be as bad as private insurance companies, after the raping they endured .

Most doctors don't even take Medicaid, and many that do are often shit-tier. Why would you want to make that the standard? Adding more people to that dole will strain the already limited supply of medical care available for those on Medicaid/Medicare. You know how we scoff at those in Canada and the UK who have to wait months to see a doctor or for even for surgeries? Let's bring that to the US! Unless they force all doctors to accept that public socialized insurance, it's going to make things worse.

More welfare is just not a good idea, the only smart move is less.

 

[verissimus]

Actually, Trump can do whatever he wants because he's the first Republican to embrace the hate the media doles out, he enjoys being hated because he realizes that if he could weather the first media assault, nothing would happen. They'd always managed to get Republicans in line by threatening to call them names like "racist" and for fear of their image, they'd back down.

Trump said "do it" they did it and now he just says "there you go again, sad" when they keep it up.

So having essentially whittled away those who will never vote for him in the first 5 minutes of his Administration, he has no reason to temper anything he says/does/proposes because he's going to get called names anyway, and ultimately, they won't affect him any more than has already happened.

That only works though if the people behind him don't get exasperated by his antics and decide to, at least temporarily, join forces with his enemies which, as far as I'm concerned, is what almost didn't get him elected, but that does still seem fairly true. If he does stand the first media assault, nothing happens. I never really thought about that for some reason.

 

[IV 445]

I'm less amused. If you are imprisoning people, I think you do assume some responsibility for their welfare.

I hear you, but frankly, this horse has been fed way too much for me to care anymore....I am worn out on the issue, sorry.

 

[Flexo]

Making everyone buy insurance was Obama shamelessly pandering to the insurance companies in a desperate bid to get them to let him have the win and not rape him, buck breaking style, in front of the whole world by having their bought and paid for Congressmen kill health care reform, but also fund unlimited funds into Romney to defeat Obama in 2012.

No, it was literally that OR M4A. If you set up a system where insurers have to cover anybody with a preexisting condition, then no insurance companies will exist as everybody will drop it and only bother with picking up insurance when they get sick - thus bankrupting all the companies. If you want to keep insurers in the game at all AND force them to pick up people they normally wouldn't, then you have to mandate for healthy people to get insurance to keep the companies functional. That's literally how some European countries do it right now.

Healthcare in Switzerland - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[It's HK-47]

Jesus Christ Mitch, you didn't have to go all fucking Scarface on the thing in two nights, but I sure appreciate the effort.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

Jesus Christ Mitch, you didn't have to go all fucking Scarface on the thing in two nights, but I sure appreciate the effort.

The cocaine's just going to keep him awake anyhow

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

Jesus Christ Mitch, you didn't have to go all fucking Scarface on the thing in two nights, but I sure appreciate the effort.

It's such juxtaposition between the two parties right now. One is carrying out the agenda they were voted in for with generally minimal spectacle while the other is lighting themselves on fire while the moon cult mistress summons angels to defend against dark energy.

This timeline sure is something.

 

[Vorhtbame]

It's such juxtaposition between the two parties right now. One is carrying out the agenda they were voted in for with generally minimal spectacle while the other is lighting themselves on fire while the moon cult mistress summons angels to defend against dark energy.

This timeline sure is something.

Tbh, nailing down the courts is something of an insurance policy for 2020. If the Dems no longer control the courts, that's one less weapon they can use to take absolute power over America should they win in any substantial way.