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Has this absolute fucking failure been identified yet?

His hard-ass tweets are so fucking cringeworthy. And I love that he's using Captain America as his avatar when he's a total prick himself, but it still fits because Chris Evans has his and millions of followers' heads up his ass because he seems to feel he has some social duty to be a fucking moral nag.

I've tried finding info on him but I've failed as badly as he does daily.

Edit: I don't even care about his personal information. I just want to see what he looks like and maybe hear his voice. That makes all the difference in the world when you're figuring out what sociopathic tendencies people are suffering from.
 

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JamFlowMan said:
They don't have blood on their hands yet. First they were peaceful protestors, then they started fucking up property, then they started fucking up people, it doesn't take clairvoyance to see where this road ends.
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They don’t have blood on their hands because they don’t have the means for that yet.

But their ideology is like an instruction manual to how to get to the killing fields or mass graves, and I mean that 100% seriously.

Just look at how they regularly dehumanize (for example) Trump supporters. How they talk about the old, white voters “dying out”. How they see race (or oppression) as a pyramid of worth and virtue. How they see people collectively (oppressed vs.. White people) rather than individually.

How do you think they would react if they had actual power, and saw their utopia shrink further away instead of coming closer?

When the Russian revolution started, the Bolsheviks were also full of good intentions. Close the prisons, re-educate the class enemies, torture must be illegal unlike under the czar.

The Nazi’s likewise didn’t start killing Jews enmasse when they took power. And might never have if things had gone a little differently. But the seeds of murder and genocide was there, just like with what you might call “SJWs”

It always is with a collectivist ideology that aims to revolutionize society and create a new utopia.
 
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Allanon said:
It's gonna become a verbal tic, but that's because it doesn't go back decades. It goes back exactly to 2010.
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Oh, I heard it goes back a little further than that but thats when I first heard the rumors so you might be right.

My thing is, if these rumors were lies then I'm hoping they were lies created by one person or a a small group of angry fujoshis and Monica latched on.

Because if it's a situation where each accusation was done by a different person, obviously with that many you're going to have liars. But if we have a situation where without any sort of planning anywhere from 50-100 (possibly more that might be a small number for 10 years) women came up with the idea to lie about vic because he made them mad in some way...holy shit.

I know "what a faggot, thinking hundreds of women wouldn't/couldn't instinctively do this with no coordination" lol

Zero Day Defense said:
That's how we got here...
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And then I heard a few more stories and saw that blog, but it was never something I thought too much about and it never stopped me from watching dubs with him in it.

Like I daid I think at the very worst he just got a little too handsy with some people and might not follow his religion 100% if hes fooling around out of wedlock. I'm just hoping that if it turns out to all be bullshit that it's just a small handful of ladies that have been spreading these rumors and not hundreds.
 
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xyz741 said:
A bunch of people that went to cons a decade ago are embarrassed by completely benign things like cosplay or taking part in stupidity like screaming "you just lost the game" over and over, so it's not really surprising if some of them are similarly having "buyer's remorse" about fangirling over Vic or other D-list celebrities back then.
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You bastard, we know you did that on purpose.
 
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TombaHat said:
Because if it's a situation where each accusation was done by a different person, obviously with that many you're going to have liars. But if we have a situation where without any sort of planning anywhere from 50-100 (possibly more that might be a small number for 10 years) women came up with the idea to lie about vic because he made them mad in some way...holy shit.
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The fujos have been trying to get him booted out of the anime industry for being a purported homophobe for a long time. You can easily find 1000s of people pushing that narrative, is it really difficult to believe that 5 - 10% of them "embelish" their opinions? The petition to get him kicked off the "Free!" dub went over 5k people, and almost all of them were "LGBT people are disrespected by Vic, boot him".

But trying to re-contextualize events at anime cons of 10-15 years ago is a dangerous game. That's risking opening Pandora's box for a whole lotta shitstorm for pretty much anyone and everyone. Personally I'd be ridiculously amused if this thing made fanboy nerds SUPER defensive and destroyed the whole market for CosThots. Their Patreon cam-whoring would no doubt survive fine, but I'd love to see convention bookings dry up simply due to pervs not choosing to shell out cash if they can't leer creepily and sometimes hope for a pee-pee touch from women whose primary marketable skill is their ability to fit into latex.
 
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Genkoda said:
Frankly I am shocked that he admitted to being wrong. This is something I did not expect.
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He's a teacher right? A colleague or student of his could have pointed out that it is probably a bad idea to participate in a Twitter thread, be wrong and try to pretend it didn't happen.

BigRuler said:
in my opinion the main reason isn't because they lack the means, but because they don't have to.
their side controls the press, the universities, the schools, and the media. their influence on private enterprise is growing every day, and demographic change is working in their favor too.
time is on their side in every single way. they don't have to get violent or do anything crazy, all they have to do is sit back and watch as their power keeps expanding.
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Power doesn't stay with the people who start the revolution. Power stays with those that end revolutions.

Right now they have a tenuous alliance against "The Patriarchy." But fractures are already appearing along identity lines. And it will never stop.

Regular people just want stability. So whoever can give them that, wins.
 
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Garm said:
Regular people just want stability. So whoever can give them that, wins.
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More accurately, it's easy to tell people "what's wrong", it's is often incredibly difficult to fix the actual problem, mainly because while most everyone can agree that X is a problem, they will all disagree on the solution. This is especially true when "someone else" needs to fix it. The starting point is always "those guys over there", but inevitably "those guys" either use their means to avoid it or are quite simply not enough, so then "we" need to look around and figure out which of "us" are actually some of "those guys". This is the core problem with Envy, you can always find people to be envious of and target.
 
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I'm just hoping that if it turns out to all be bullshit that it's just a small handful of ladies that have been spreading these rumors and not hundreds.
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Handfuls turn into hundreds. That's how witch hunts happen. Look at the satanism scare of the 80s. I think some of those people are still in prison.
 
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Handfuls turn into hundreds. That's how witch hunts happen. Look at the satanism scare of the 80s. I think some of those people are still in prison.
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Yeah, like three morons who killed a kid in some imagined ritual. Who were actually inspired to do so by the very panic. That’s kind of the nature of moral panics. If you start one where the thing you are panicking about doesn't exist, it soon will simply as a way of the annoyed public or idiotic edgelord types to push back against you. You create that which you protest against. And the more you screech and wail, the more your imagined evil becomes in some ways real. Simply for the benefit of it being as far as a sane person could get from you.

ISWV is just that. A pushback against a moral panic.
 
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RodgerDodger said:
Yeah, like three morons who killed a kid in some imagined ritual. Who were actually inspired to do so by the very panic.
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If you mean the West Memphis Three, they were almost certainly innocent and in any event, the trial was marred by pure hysteria, fake experts, the forced confession of a retard (that itself made no sense) and the three were eventually released. The murder would have been impossible to commit as claimed and it was almost certainly an adult with a vehicle who did it.
 
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Garm said:
So rather than do crowdfunding, the comicsgate, (all -gates actually) should pool their resources, put their egos aside and create a company. Get some savvy business types that care only about numbers, not Twitter.

I know it sounds like I'm one of "those" people, but a couple of guys with the romantic idea that they could tear down the machine just isn't going to happen. These corporations are entrenched and could hold out for a lot longer than any independent.

So you need build something that can go against that and the numbers behind it. (Corporations allowing for specialization which gets better results.)
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https://vfm.sppx.io/

I know Teddy VD Beale catches a lot of flak around here and is a bit of a lolcow in his own right, but he is also proving competent at building the kind of alternative you describe, and has no fear of putting skin in the game.

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Their constant detachment to reality is fucking baffling. Like Ty being a country bumpkin and shit. He's a senior partner in a law firm. You don't get there without bringing in some SERIOUS cash. And winning. A lot. And a shit firm isn't going to be in business 22 years. He's got his name in the front motherfucker.
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I am personally persuaded that this is a somewhat deliberate tactic employed to get the opposition to underestimate him and his firm. The Latin under the Knight's-head-chess-piece logo translates roughly to "Know thyself, know thy opponent." Beard continues to impress me with the outcomes he elicits.

I think that having his foes underestimate him might be harmful for Vic in the initial runup, however. It would be better for Vic short-term if Ty asserted his position more aggressively, but that would have potential consequences in outcomes.
 
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If you mean the West Memphis Three, they were almost certainly innocent and in any event, the trial was marred by pure hysteria, fake experts, the forced confession of an exceptional individual (that itself made no sense) and the three were eventually released. The murder would have been impossible to commit as claimed and it was almost certainly an adult with a vehicle who did it.
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I was thinking of a Long Island incident involving three teenaged wannabe edgelords and a steak knife. I want to say East Northport, but I could be wrong. After the John Pius murder there seemed to be a rash of edgy teen shit, or overbearing media coverage of edgy teen shit in the region.
 
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xyz741 said:
There's actually a third possibility:
Vic is both "innocent" and "guilty". How? Vic did most of the things he's accused of, but most/all of the people speaking are changing how they "feel" about what happened. Anime conventions of the mid 2000s were frankly the "wild west". It's not difficult to find stories of lunatic fujos flat out assaulting people with "yaoi paddles". You also had the "glomp" craze (again, mostly perpetuated by girls) that is easily frameable as sexual assault (you run at a person and grab them into a tight embrace, often without any consent or even knowledge of who you are), in the early 2010s many lunatics tried to setup the liability nightmare that was "in-character dating games". And I'm sure I could think of many other examples of idiocy from 5-15 years ago that many SJWs would look at now and think conventions were setting up to train future assailants despite the fact that back THEN staff would usually be called nazis for trying to stop it.

A bunch of people that went to cons a decade ago are embarrassed by completely benign things like cosplay or taking part in stupidity like screaming "you just lost the game" over and over, so it's not really surprising if some of them are similarly having "buyer's remorse" about fangirling over Vic or other D-list celebrities back then.
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I think it's gone too far to just be that, honestly, especially when you look at how much backpedalling is going on and how many people are involved.
 
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