حلال TranLord - Let me preface this by saying I like the idea of fucking dogs

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lolwut said:
Because adults have a fully developed brain and more life experience, that's why. And if you meant teens, then you should've said that. "Minors" implies anyone who isn't of adult age. Not that that changes anything.
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Brain development's a pretty poor argument, I think. Adults can become brain-/damaged/ and still functional in society (source here). Not to mention things like adult ADHD, which increases impulsivity and therefore decreases attention to long-term consequences.

As for life experiences, I can see how /some/ life experiences might change the /risk/ associated with sex for people, but that doesn't make it necessary to remove someone's ability to consent in all circumstances, because most of that risk is dependent on what the adult does--whether attempt to manipulate or coerce the child or the like.
 
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Chained Divinity said:
Brain development's a pretty poor argument, I think. Adults can become brain-/damaged/ and still functional in society (source here). Not to mention things like adult ADHD, which increases impulsivity and therefore decreases attention to long-term consequences.
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And adults with extensive brain-damage or developmental disabilities are not able to give consent due to a lack of understanding as to what that means. Look at Temple Grandin: she's an extremely successful and influential woman, but she's openly stated that she lacks the facilities to understand sex and therefore abstains.

Also, to refer to my earlier question, do you honestly think that a 10-year-old is capable of giving consent to a full-grown adult?
 
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Chained Divinity said:
Brain development's a pretty poor argument, I think. Adults can become brain-/damaged/ and still functional in society (source here). Not to mention things like adult ADHD, which increases impulsivity and therefore decreases attention to long-term consequences.

As for life experiences, I can see how /some/ life experiences might change the /risk/ associated with sex for people, but that doesn't make it necessary to remove someone's ability to consent in all circumstances, because most of that risk is dependent on what the adult does--whether attempt to manipulate or coerce the child or the like.
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They are still adults, many of whom are still responsible for themselves. Those who are not are at times (depending on the severity of their condition) not able to consent to sex either. Minors are the responsibility of their parents/guardians. They cannot consent because their guardians are, to at least some degree, responsible for their behavior. That's why kids (and teens, whom you're talking about) who commit murder aren't sent to an adult prison or given the death sentence. They don't understand the consequences of their actions becuase their brains have not developed enough yet. Therefore, although a minor may know what sex is, and have a basic understanding of the potential consequences, they cannot fully grasp the ramifications of their actions.

[EDIT] Gods above, I never thought I would have to argue the morality of consent laws. Anyone else here want to defend a paraphilia? Any necrophiles in the audience?
 
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Chained Divinity said:
Brain development's a pretty poor argument, I think. Adults can become brain-/damaged/ and still functional in society (source here). Not to mention things like adult ADHD, which increases impulsivity and therefore decreases attention to long-term consequences.
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Do not fucking drag ADHD into this. Impulsivity has nothing to do with consent. Consent cannot be revoked because you changed your mind after the fact.
 
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Frank Rizzo said:
Wait, hang on.....

.....did someone seriously just troll-shield......a troll-shield?
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Vade's thread got to well over 350 pages before someone pulled that shit. This one got to... 7. If it spins off into a new thread, someone will admit to shoving fruit up their ass on page one.
 
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100 Whole Bepis said:
Who is the burden of consent on? A teen taking a stupid risk because that's what teenagers do, or an adult with a fully-developed brain who's taking advantage of that naivete and KNOWS it?
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Why must an adult be taking advantage of naivete here? I mean, say we changed this into an activity that wasn't sex, say, buying shoes--wouldn't you agree that it'd be possible for an adult to give the child a fair deal?
 
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Chained Divinity said:
Why must an adult be taking advantage of naivete here? I mean, say we changed this into an activity that wasn't sex, say, buying shoes--wouldn't you agree that it'd be possible for an adult to give the child a fair deal?
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Chained Divinity said:
it'd be possible for an adult to give the child a fair deal?
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the child
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Chained Divinity said:
Why must an adult be taking advantage of naivete here? I mean, say we changed this into an activity that wasn't sex, say, buying shoes--wouldn't you agree that it'd be possible for an adult to give the child a fair deal?
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You're kidding, right?

Sex has consequences, physical, mental, and emotional. Depending on the experience, a teen could regret it for the rest of their life, let alone the risk of pregnancy and disease. If someone is going to consent to sex, they have to be totally aware of all that goes along with it. Teenagers, by their very nature, are not. It's one thing to take these risks with other stupid teenagers, but when one party very clearly has power, status, and intelligence over the teen, then yes, it IS taking advantage of them, even if they say yes.

This ain't the hill you want to die on. It's still against the law.
 
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Chained Divinity said:
Why must an adult be taking advantage of naivete here? I mean, say we changed this into an activity that wasn't sex, say, buying shoes--wouldn't you agree that it'd be possible for an adult to give the child a fair deal?
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Because what shoes you wear as a kid won't have life-long ramifications! Nobody's ever killed themself 'cuz their uncle secretly bought them a fucking pair of Nikes.
 
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Chained Divinity said:
So, uh...why can't minors consent then? The sum total of the arguments I've seen against it are "they may think they want to, but they won't afterward".
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If you think having sex with an adult with ADHD is comparable in any way to having sex with a minor you are fucking retarded.

Let me ask you this then. Do you think a child would feel comfortable telling an adult, an authority figure, to stop? How easy do you think it would be for the adult to maintain control regardless of what the child wanted? The power imbalance is clear as fucking day.
 
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Frank Rizzo said:
Well, I mean, if Chained Divinity's goal was to troll-shield TranLord, bravo, cause now, suddenly, all talk on TranLord just ceased.
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To be fair, he hasn't come back to say anything. It's hard to say much more than "yeah this might be a complicated subject but GOOD GOD WHY WOULD YOU ADMIT THAT OUT OF NOWHERE"

Chained Divinity, however, is still trying to defend their point.
 
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100 Whole Bepis said:
To be fair, he hasn't come back to say anything. It's hard to say much more than "yeah this might be a complicated subject but GOOD GOD WHY WOULD YOU ADMIT THAT OUT OF NOWHERE"

Chained Divinity, however, is still trying to defend their point.
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Chained Divinity made their account today apparently solely to make this point.
 
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