Horrorcow Zoe Quinn / Chelsea Van Valkenburg / Locke Valentine / @UnburntWitch / @Primeape / CrashOverride / Hat Box / Old Uncle Anime - Con Artist, Abuser, Sexual Harasser, Drove Alec Holowka to Suicide.

If that's just true it just shows how pathetic and unimaginative these people are even in their power fantasies. If these people ever took over the world even their atrocities and genocides would be boring.
It would also show a fundamental misunderstanding on Saarkesian's part, of what her role in a production like that would be.

Large multi national companies will pay well, to have activist groups give them the mark of approval. eg look at where groups like the NAACP, SPLC, ADL etc get their corporate funding from. If she had set up feminist frequency in the right way, she could have sat back and let the corporate shekels flow in. All she would have had to do was cosy up to the right people, and issue a few press releases saying how the companies were woke AF.

Saarkesian at one stage had the financial resources to staff feminist frequency with people that could have engaged comfortably with large companies, media and corporate relations are genuine skills and you can't just get an unpaid activist intern to do it for you.

I get shit in other threads, for pointing out that woke commentators like Lindsay Ellis, Contrapoints, Dan Olsen etc are actually serious intellects, capable of understanding the subjects they're producing content on. Saarkesian however has an obvious lack of curiosity in what she's talking about, she would just rehash Mcintosh's opinons, and then when she split with him would recycle other peoples commentary without any real level of understanding.

Also she ignored the allegations made against her regarding her fundraising. She probably believed because mainstream media wasn't reporting on them she was safe, and the tard bucks were still rolling in at the time. However anyone in public relations would have told her that if there are allegations like that out there where the public can find them, then the public also need to be easily able to find a convincing denial. (I think there's actually a term for it in the PR world)
 
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"Just ignore accounts previously not part of the mighty Twitter because all the people with the right opinion already use Twitter" - Rami Ismail, 2019
I like how he in his insanity thinks that developers somehow agree with anti-GG agenda. Quite the opposite, Rami.

What a wonderful individual. By the way, Twitter seems to be instantly banning new accounts now. The accounts are banned before you can write a message.

I get shit in other threads, for pointing out that woke commentators like Lindsay Ellis, Contrapoints, Dan Olsen etc are actually serious intellects, capable of understanding the subjects they're producing content on.
If you seriously think the likes of Dan Olsen and Lindsay Ellis are intelligent, boy do i have bad news for you. You could've at least said hbomberguy, at least he occasionally gets things right, even if he's a smug unlikeable prick. Contrapoints is at least an interesting wreck of a person who's entertaining, i suppose she's the "woke" version of StyxHexxenhammer666, but i definitely wouldn't call her smart either.
 
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She also paid Zoe for killing her brother lol.
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I would like to think that, in her confusion and grief, this is some kind of attempt at forgiveness, or at least some kind of appeasement to the angry little tyrant that is Zoe. :optimistic: :optimistic: :optimistic: :optimistic: :optimistic: :optimistic: :optimistic:

I honestly tried to think of a single person that could call out Zoe and have her army of sycophants actually listen and turn on her, but I came up with no one. I do not understand how one person so unpleasant and unlikable manages to get so many people to attend to her every whim, but she does. That's like Dick Cheney levels of intimidation. Cheney shot a dude in the face and his victim apologized to him, Zoe stirs up a mob against a mentally ill man, gets him fired, and cuts him off from all of his friends, and when he kills himself, his sister apologizes to her.

Shit, maybe she actually is a witch.
 
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She also paid Zoe for killing her brother lol.
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Fucking hell she is sick in the head. Really lives up to her twitter handle, deranged nut job.

I don't know this really took me by surprise too, makes me reflect on what his last hours were really like he probably was totally cut off from family and friends and labelled as a toxic predator. Ironic that she says that anyone suffering can always rely on someone close to them to support them and that family is most important to her.
 
Is Zoe Quinn's patreon her main long term source of income? Its less a month than the lowest American minimum wage, she had a kickstarter I know but she used that for Japan trips, her comic series ended and her next two jobs are one shots, that while not in danger imo do endanger future prospects.

I would like to think that, in her confusion and grief, this is some kind of attempt at forgiveness, or at least some kind of appeasement to the angry little tyrant that is Zoe. :optimistic: :optimistic: :optimistic: :optimistic: :optimistic: :optimistic: :optimistic:

I honestly tried to think of a single person that could call out Zoe and have her army of sycophants actually listen and turn on her, but I came up with no one. I do not understand how one person so unpleasant and unlikable manages to get so many people to attend to her every whim, but she does. That's like Dick Cheney levels of intimidation. Cheney shot a dude in the face and his victim apologized to him, Zoe stirs up a mob against a mentally ill man, gets him fired, and cuts him off from all of his friends, and when he kills himself, his sister apologizes to her.

Shit, maybe she actually is a witch.
Basically because sex, because instincts to protect women despite what feminism will tell you unless its convenient and, actually that also ties into it, because its more convenient to protect her so their idiotic causes don't suffer a blow
 
Fucking hell she is sick in the head. Really lives up to her twitter handle, deranged nut job.

I don't know this really took me by surprise too, makes me reflect on what his last hours were really like he probably was totally cut off from family and friends and labelled as a toxic predator. Ironic that she says that anyone suffering can always rely on someone close to them to support them and that family is most important to her.
I'm pretty sure that tweet is fake.

"Go through those dark times" seems awkward syntax for a native English speaker. If there hasn't been an archive of that one (and there might've been and I just missed it - thread's been moving fast) I'm calling shenanigans.
 
Good to see at least somebody in his family had a moral conscience.
The funny thing about "donations" is she didn't pay for a proper hit, i.e. $5K, She just threw a few paypal bux at Chelsea or signed up for a "my brother was a bad boyfriend, here's my carbon tax feel-better $15 a month" until she decides to unsub. Bitch could be playing classic WoW, waiting in line to kill quest mobs and it would be a more rewarding use of her time and money then spending it on ZQ.
 
The sister seems to be a... remarkable individual, in what a horrible person she is. Fuck, if either of my siblings died i probably first of all wouldn't even be able to write on the internet for a couple of days. She's acting like her brother just broke a leg or something, instead of how more or less anyone with human emotions would.

They're in a cult. Reality and connection to emotions are suspended.
Their dopamine hit from being "right" trumps the sad chemicals from his death.
Which is good. Because they are eating themselves. They all deserve it.

So who will Zoe deathnote next? Will it be Jake? He has nothing to do with her gaping vag, so I doubt it.
Will it be Grayson? Coz I'm kind of hoping it is.
 
Anyone believing that tweet from the sister is real needs to log off for a while. "If my brother had not been abusive this wouldn't had happened." No source or archive, likes, retweets and reply counts just happen to be cropped out. Just a screencap.

Jesus Christ you guys.

In my defense, I'm about as familiar with Twitter's format as I am what the fucking moon smells like. The only difference is, I'd willingly travel to the moon and not want to cave the skulls in of everyone there.
 
Anyone believing that tweet from the sister is real needs to log off for a while. "If my brother had not been abusive this wouldn't had happened." No source or archive, likes, retweets and reply counts just happen to be cropped out. Just a screencap.

Jesus Christ you guys.

It's funny because it's still very likely it's what the sister is thinking. Quinn has a way of manipulating that could power even those in mourning to give her money.
 
I know it's a wild concept but even pieces of shit like Zoe can be victims of sexual abuse. The victim being someone you don't like doesn't invalidate it, and the abuser(s) should face the consequences of their actions regardless of your personal feelings.
Okay this hasn't aged very well. I guess a lot of you were right and that people like Zoe don't deserve our good faith. Amazing how certain people make you feel foolish for having basic human decency and empathy. Fuck her and the damage she's done to legitimate victims of abuse and their suffering, and for directly leading to someone's suicide.
 
If you seriously think the likes of Dan Olsen and Lindsay Ellis are intelligent, boy do i have bad news for you. You could've at least said hbomberguy, at least he occasionally gets things right, even if he's a smug unlikeable prick. Contrapoints is at least an interesting wreck of a person who's entertaining, i suppose she's the "woke" version of StyxHexxenhammer666, but i definitely wouldn't call her smart either.

Hbomberguy is a troll (he's equivalent to someone like Tariq Nasheed), he used to be part of Metokur then went onto producing videos for School of Life and then eventually found his current highly profitable niche. Making brave videos debunking the Flat Earth Movement and global warming deniers, while fundraising for an organisation that wants to castrate kids.

This is a fucking guy that posted hardcore pornography to a woman's home as part of an orchestrated internet harassment campaign (to show her that they knew where she lived), protected a sexual predator that was working for him. Yet he's a poster boy for male feminism?

If there is ever a societal shift, and financial circumstances dictate, he'll publicly take black and red pills galore just to keep the ebucks coming in.

What he does have however is a level of understanding of how his chosen environment works, that someone like Zoe Quinn has never shown.

Quinn wanted to develop video games, but lacked the skills to enter any part of the industry. Not only did she lack them she didn't even really understand what they were. If she had played her cards right she could have got a job with a game dev, in some made up role. All she would have had to do is smile and give whatever piece of shit game they were working on a thumbs up, while not doing anything online that would bring her employer into disrepute.

She couldn't do that, and she's such a loathsome person she didn't have anyone in her life to tell her to get a grip, so she kept falling back on the tried and trusted formula of she was being abused etc.
 
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Over at Quinn's failed Kickstarter page for the scammed game she started, where she not only screwed over the backers but even the people working on it by not paying staff which ultimately caused one of them to end up on the streets while she got to go to trips to Japan it looks like they have turned a blind eye to it all due to 'recent events' and now are showering her with sympathy due to what she's going through.
 
Okay this hasn't aged very well. I guess a lot of you were right and that people like Zoe don't deserve our good faith.
The thing is, most people in the thread have kept open the possibility there was actual abuse. It's just that Quinn has shown throughout her time in the public eye that she, as you point out, doesn't deserve our good faith. We already know how much she lies, grifts and manipulates, and as has also been noted her #metoo post carefully makes the biggest mountains out of molehills. She doesn't quite call him a rapist, but it's the impression most people on both sides have gotten.

I presume that's entirely intentional. I think she wrote it with a callous disregard for how it could negatively affect Alec, but she left wiggle-room to allow her to argue with his answer, if he made any. And anyway, she'd know full well that as soon as she said he was abusive, all the usual SJWs would instantly listen and believe and presume the worst of him rather than actually properly parse what she said. You see the same thing with KickVic, where the actual, specific accusations are completely ignored in favour of 'they say he's a rapist pedophile, so that's what he is' - even though the key accusations against him are nothing of the sort.

I don't think she intended him to die, but I do think she threw him under the bus not caring how badly things would go for him, for the shit she was about to put him through. It's all mind-reading speculation at this point. But while I don't think she feels guilty for what happened, because she's a sociopath and/or certain in her mind that he deserved it, I do think she would be in panic mode, worrying about her reputation and carefully monitoring what is said about her so she knows who's still on her side.

Sadly, I imagine within a week or so she will reappear, feign an apology and sorrow, reinforce that everyone should remember she (oh, and as an afterthought other women as well #metoo) is the real victim here, and on the off-chance that she loses any work because of it she might push it and mention how hard it has been on her, mentally and financially. Because as an added bonus, remember that her mental illness means she's not at fault, and should be factored in to all her behaviours, but male mental illness can be dismissed and ignored, because men are just like that.

The other thing we probably should remember is, just like all the assholes taking his suicide as a sign of guilt, we're only speculating when we talk about Alec's motives for killing himself, barring any note or further communications from people close to him. About the only thing we can plausibly accept is that the call-out provoked him; why he did it we don't know. Hopefully we'll hear from someone other than his sister, though; even the VA with the pedo brother stood by his side when it was painfully obvious he'd been sharing CP. While there's room for her grief to be affecting her, it still leaves a very bad taste in the mouth that she felt the need to name-check Quinn positively.

I would like to know a lot more. I would like to know what these mysterious 'other accusations' are about, though I can't help but doubt what they'll say now that any accuser knows he'll never be able to respond. I want to know what sort of private messages Patricia Hernandez thinks she has from Zoe that makes her so certain she's telling the truth, especially considering she seems to have missed the idea that Zoe Quinn's BPD could mean she was lying and being overly dramatic several years ago as well.

And for my own amusement, I want to know if there's any private communications between the women who were trying to get #metoo going among game devs where they bitch about how Zoe has ruined everything for them by co-opting and corrupting the movement, and now they won't get any of the attention or money they were banking on. I imagine the off-mic conversations at Feminist Frequency could be quite revealing...
 
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Over at Quinn's failed Kickstarter page for the scammed game she started, where she not only screwed over the backers but even the people working on it by not paying staff which ultimately caused one of them to end up on the streets while she got to go to trips to Japan it looks like they have turned a blind eye to it all due to 'recent events' and now are showering her with sympathy due to what she's going through.

Pathetic people. Scammed out of money and now still kissing her ass.

I don't want to go full Alex Jones, but this witch must have mind controlling powers or something

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